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Imagine watching a movie with someone who would literally pause the movie every time a line of dialog referenced an earlier line of dialog, to excitedly point out how amazing it is that the screenwriters remembered their own line of dialog.
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My wife tried to leave me but i kept interrupting her, to explain to her how everything she was complaining about was brilliantly foreshadowed by previous events in our relationship, what an amazingly put together content, maybe others could chime in with other ways my pending divorce is so well realized
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Double A posted:And what's the end state here? Everything is poo poo and parcelled out, or everything is poo poo and on fire? Late Stage Capitalism. Supposedly Reddit are undeleting comments / posts that have been removed as part of the protest: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354850 Kennedy fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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Things I genuinely like about rr oh God I can't even type it's name. There was this incredible series of wild posts of ten thousand words in /truedetective that I loved. And then there is the dumb obscure subculture/niche interest memez of v. small subreddits. Uh, the giant proiferation of /ask_relationship as content feed for podcasts, youtube videos etc is an interesting thing but I'm not sure it's good. There are probably many people whose lives have been made better by escaping abusive situations after learning things on particular subreddits. Biggest artbell community on the net lol That's kind of it. It's a dumb website overall. Digg was better : p
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deep dish peat moss posted:Imagine watching a movie with someone who would literally pause the movie every time a line of dialog referenced an earlier line of dialog, to excitedly point out how amazing it is that the screenwriters remembered their own line of dialog. There's literally a podcast out there where it's like 6 or 7 uber chuds who just sit around and watch other people's videos and pause it like every three seconds to go on 10 minute rants about poo poo so it takes them 4 hours to watch a 2 minute video. It's beyond insufferable and they have like a million viewers somehow. They're very popular on Reddit, why do you ask?
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Lampsacus posted:Things I genuinely like about rr oh God I can't even type it's name. Digg sucked rear end
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greatBigJerk posted:What did happen to GBS? I do vaguely remember it changing all of a sudden. The biggest change between now and GBS in the late aughts was back then, the forum was a lot of news aggregation and huge megathreads and people serious posting, exclusively. Most of that has moved to D&D now and GBS is far more chill about people goofing off.
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nine-gear crow posted:There's literally a podcast out there where it's like 6 or 7 uber chuds who just sit around and watch other people's videos and pause it like every three seconds to go on 10 minute rants about poo poo so it takes them 4 hours to watch a 2 minute video. It's beyond insufferable and they have like a million viewers somehow. mst3k?
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Awkward Davies posted:Digg sucked rear end The reveal that Digg's algorithm was literally a man behind the curtain is one of the most insane things I've learned out of this Reddit fiasco
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Jun 16, 2023 17:44
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No, those guys are actually funny from time to time.
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Tiny Timbs posted:The reveal that Digg's algorithm was literally a man behind the curtain is one of the most insane things I've learned out of this Reddit fiasco lmao it's so awesome
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Tiny Timbs posted:The reveal that Digg's algorithm was literally a man behind the curtain is one of the most insane things I've learned out of this Reddit fiasco Wait what lol? It was just some guy freestyling it and thinking “this should be at the top today”??
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Double A posted:And what's the end state here? Everything is poo poo and parcelled out, or everything is poo poo and on fire? yes
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MrQwerty posted:lmao it's so awesome Wait, that I didn’t know. What was the deal?
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Tiny Timbs posted:The reveal that Digg's algorithm was literally a man behind the curtain is one of the most insane things I've learned out of this Reddit fiasco Somebody hire this man
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Lampsacus posted:Things I genuinely like about rr oh God I can't even type it's name. Do you have a link to those /truedetective posts by any chance?
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This is the part where I know spez and the rest of the top execs are terrified. In interviews, spez has been vehemently repeating that third-party apps are only used by a fraction of the userbase (anywhere from two to five percent). If it's really such a neglible part of the userbase, why does it matter at all? Even when reddit's huffing and puffing about losing potential ad revenue because folks are on third-party apps, according to spez, Reddit is keeping 95 to 98 percent of its userbase using its website or official app. He's also said the number of mods who use third-party apps to moderate is very low. So what's the big deal then? Either these apps are a mere nuisance or they are killing reddit's ability to profit. The way reddit management has framed it, it cannot be both. Basically, this protest is working and I would love reddit mods to continue this collective action. Reddit cannot survive without this unpaid labour, which is a wild concept for a for-profit company. I can't think of another for-profit company that relies on volunteers to keep its business afloat. Expect some weak PR statement to come out from the company by end of day about how they are "so disappointed" in mods and "have tried hard to come to a mutual understanding but couldn't" and then a total crackdown on the mods of the biggest subreddits over the weekend while the media isn't paying as much attention. Also, not that any Reddit employees will ever see this but if they do—remember that your employer cannot force you to work overtime nor for free. Paid employees cannot legally volunteer their time for their employers. If you are an employee of Reddit, you legally have to be paid for all your time working. Don't let the brass strong-arm you into thinking otherwise. Also, under U.S. law, all employees have a right to strike, even private-sector non-unionized employees.
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Double A posted:And what's the end state here? Everything is poo poo and parcelled out, or everything is poo poo and on fire? Everything is poo poo, parceled out, AND on fire.
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Charenton_ posted:This is the part where I know spez and the rest of the top execs are terrified. lol reddit mods are losers, dude
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Charenton_ posted:This is the part where I know spez and the rest of the top execs are terrified. Isn’t the old social media rule that only 10% of your user base will actively contribute? While it may be true that the vast majority of the user base doesn’t use 3rd party apps, I wonder whether the engagement levels of 3rd party users were higher. Who is creating all of this content, and how are they doing it? Side note: how is this counted? I used both Apollo and desktop. Which side are they lumping me with?
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henkman posted:lol reddit mods are losers, dude
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henkman posted:lol reddit mods are losers, dude Sure but tech ceos are worse
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henkman posted:lol reddit mods are losers, dude all of the following are true: i'm a loser reddit mods are losers reddit admins are losers reddit sucks adding site:reddit.com to any google search makes it 100x better clicking a reddit link on google is horrendous on mobile without 3rd party apps For these reasons my loser self hopes the loser reddit mods succeed in their loser reddit protest
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What a lot of redditors are missing is that most of these big content creators were literally people whose livelihood is to create content and share it with other people - either they're youtubers/streamers/whatever or they work for a marketing agency and manipulate mod tools to promote their clients or whatever. The actual content creators are actively harmed by the protests. The people protesting are the consumers, not the creators, and they're just concern trolling about the content creators out of ignorance.
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smoobles posted:here's the top post in /r/movies today if you're curious what kind of person uses reddit definitely the kind of discourse we could use more of
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Idiootti posted:Do you have a link to those /truedetective posts by any chance? It says 3 parts but it goes on for like 10 lol. e: an overview/index https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/comments/v7ndzg/10_parters_complete_guide_to_carcosa_secrets_the/
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NoiseAnnoys posted:definitely the kind of discourse we could use more of On the other hand, you WOULD get to witness the spectacle of these innocent, spotless-brained rubes blundering into CineD and getting devoured whole by the deranged rabid voles that infest that cursed place. So that would be neat to watch.
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Awkward Davies posted:Isn’t the old social media rule that only 10% of your user base will actively contribute? While it may be true that the vast majority of the user base doesn’t use 3rd party apps, I wonder whether the engagement levels of 3rd party users were higher. Who is creating all of this content, and how are they doing it? The key word missing from all of spez's handwringing is the word "active". How many active mods use these apps? I have seen estimates floating around closer to 30 percent of all active mods use third-party apps because the tools reddit provides simply aren't enough. How many active—and quality—content creators are using third-party apps? I imagine it's a much higher percentage of active users as well. It's not like reddit would expose specifics, though. Then they can't fiddle with the narrative as it suits them. Looking forward, how many active users are so fed up they are now leaving the site? How many active mods are saying "we're mad as hell and we aren't gonna take it anymore"? There is a big chance the majority of the quality content creators are going to move on to better things, leaving a wake of spam, AI, and even lower quality memes in its place. Spez is downplaying the impact of all this protesting to the media but he doth protest too hard, methinks. This is why I am sure this has been a massive hit and the entire company is running scared. As far as calculating whether you're an Apollo or desktop user, you're both. Or neither. Depends on what number is most important to the advertisers on any given day.
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SMG vs. redditir
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Well, no my employer can’t force me but they can fire me for any non-protected reason including not working whatever hours they choose. Such is the life of an exempt employee…
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Yeah US based union rep here… that’s a simplistic take on employment law to the point where it’s harmful
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Charenton_ posted:Either these apps are a mere nuisance or they are killing reddit's ability to profit. The way reddit management has framed it, it cannot be both. How about they're a mere nuisance but an IPO is coming up and spez wants to show investors the platform can be minmaxed at will and the users will fall in line like good little piggies
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:Yeah US based union rep here… that’s a simplistic take on employment law to the point where it’s harmful I'm pretty sure it's a copy/paste from a Reddit post, that is the entire site's understanding of employment law and how real-life employment works. See also how often they tell minimum wage workers with no options that they need to quit their jobs and sue their employers over every little thing, as if minimum wage workers who are struggling can afford to do either of those things.
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:Yeah US based union rep here… that’s a simplistic take on employment law to the point where it’s harmful
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Charenton_ posted:If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me. Seems to me, there is a good case to be made that an unfair labour practices strike would be totally reasonable. This for-profit company is using unpaid, untrained, unsupervised labour to create profit when those could easily be paid jobs. One could argue reddit is taking away paid employment from tens of thousands of workers. "voluntarily sharing your thoughts and drawings on a public forum for free without being asked to" does not make you an employee of a place is the first and most obvious thing that stands out about why this reasoning doesn't work.
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deep dish peat moss posted:"voluntarily sharing your thoughts and drawings on a public forum for free without being asked to" does not make you an employee of a place is the first and most obvious thing that stands out about why this reasoning doesn't work.
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My extremely basic understanding of employment law (from my days of working corporate at a rideshare place) is that making the legal case that you are an actual employee requires the "employer" treating you like an employee without giving you all of the benefits of being an employee. The biggest example of treating you like an employee being paying you and making that payment contingent on other factors like specific hours worked. As far as my basic-rear end understanding goes, if there was no promise of payment in the first place, there is no case to be made that you felt like an employee. Moderators are volunteers, which by definition cannot be employees. Otherwise you could go clean up the parking lot at Walmart and then file unpaid wages claims. e: I looked it up and I am pretty much right but federally it's not "promise of payment", it's contract of hire. No contract of hire (either making you an employee or a 1040 contractor etc.) means you cannot be an employee (source: report by the BLS) quote:Black’s Law Dictionary defines “employee” as “a person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed.” deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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Blow posted:Lowtax... I’m just kidding I never touched SA when it was popular because I was busy and it was obvious lowtax banned people whenever he wanted money. I signed up as soon as I heard the good news. Charenton_ posted:
I can tell they’re scared because they’re wasting time telling everyone poo poo’s fine and they’re even bothering to back it up with figures that they bothered to prepare.
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Charenton_ posted:If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me. Seems to me, there is a good case to be made that an unfair labour practices strike would be totally reasonable. This for-profit company is using unpaid, untrained, unsupervised labour to create profit when those could easily be paid jobs. One could argue reddit is taking away paid employment from tens of thousands of workers. One could argue a lot. In practice, almost certainly all Reddit employees are salary overtime exempt employees and absent a contract that lays out when they can and can’t work overtime, they can be required to work unlimited overtime unless there is a law specifying limits. In Reddit’s case, they’re based in San Francisco, which to my knowledge does not have a city law covering this like Los Angeles does. There is no restriction on overtime in California statewide. They will be protected if they’re engaging in a protected strike, but in this case unfair labor practices would be as they relate to employees, not what paid employees think of what the unpaid volunteers are doing. That would almost certainly be an unprotected strike in the US, but either way it would be litigated AFTER Reddit fires everyone. There’s also tons of different groups that aren’t permitted by law to strike. I am an airline union rep, for example, and we can’t strike without presidential approval. There’s 50 different states in the US all with different employment laws, then there’s federal law. There’s just no one size fits all statement about whether or not someone can work OT or if they can strike. Edit: while I was typing this, you said something about moderators being employees? They are not.
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