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hold on while I type up my 30 page treatise on internet nerds versus venture capital
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There's a case to be made that Reddit takes a hands-off approach with moderation specifically to prevent the possibility of Moderators being able to claim Employee status. At the end of the day regardless of what implied or explicit contracts were made when they became moderators, they cannot be employees under California labor law unless Reddit tells them when and how to moderate. I've worked for a handful of big SV companies and that's the way they operate on every side: minimize the chance of legal ramifications, no matter what that means. The ones that don't do this (like Uber) get slammed with nonstop lawsuits. e: vv fwiw I agree, I am saying that they are absolutely not employees, and also that that's probably (part of) why Reddit doesn't care about how poorly the site is moderated. If they cared, it would be a chip in their currently-impervious legal defense against moderator employee status. That (combined with explicitly being contractors in the first place) is how some Uber Black drivers got employee status in California back in 2015ish 
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Jun 16, 2023 18:54
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Yeah I am not at all going to get into whether or not they should be considered employees. They aren’t currently.
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Jun 16, 2023 18:55
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At least SA mods get free av changes, what's in it for reddit mods?
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Jun 16, 2023 18:58
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Mega64 posted:At least SA mods get free av changes, what's in it for reddit mods? There’s a lot more children on Reddit
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Jun 16, 2023 19:00
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:There’s a lot more children on Reddit 
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Jun 16, 2023 19:05
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:There’s a lot more children on Reddit 
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Jun 16, 2023 19:05
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Stop for a moment and consider the implication of r/teenagers having the same mods for years.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:08
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Stop for a moment and consider the implication of r/teenagers having the same mods for years. obviously they are onboarded the day they reach 13 and serve a 7 year term
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Jun 16, 2023 19:12
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So is Reddit still protesting or? It looks like everything is back to normal over there.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:12
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i post here pretty often, by the way, and consider myself an employee of this website and yes, uncle sam knows all about it already
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Jun 16, 2023 19:13
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Gorgeous Zan posted:So is Reddit still protesting or? It looks like everything is back to normal over there. I think it's like 50% or so of subs that originally went private have either stayed private or have gone restricted.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:21
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greatBigJerk posted:I think it's like 50% or so of subs that originally went private have either stayed private or have gone restricted. The telling stat would be the subscriber count of the subs still private. If a ton of very small subs stay private it won’t matter nearly as much as a few large ones.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:25
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Read the verge interview/lame Pr piece, and it’s always funny to see PR Director/Comms director show up for one line in those kind of things.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:25
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Gorgeous Zan posted:So is Reddit still protesting or? It looks like everything is back to normal over there. https://reddark.nextflow.cloud/ There's a site here that tracks which subs are private/restricted. Looks like about half of them stayed restricted, while I saw about ~75% sticking to it on the day of.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:36
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Personally the 2 day window felt like the death knell of the protest. Indefinite until change, or it won't work. That's what striking is.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:37
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also striking is like, refusing to work. not refusing to be a product for a few days. that’s just called “living your best life”
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Jun 16, 2023 19:41
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redditurd
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Jun 16, 2023 19:41
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Dick Fontaine posted:also striking is like, refusing to work. not refusing to be a product for a few days. that’s just called “living your best life” It's losers who are realizing that the little power they enjoy wielding in their pocket of the internet doesn't actually belong to them and it never did
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Jun 16, 2023 19:43
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henkman posted:It's losers who are realizing that the little power they enjoy wielding in their pocket of the internet doesn't actually belong to them and it never did hopefully they learn something from the experience
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Jun 16, 2023 19:46
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This is a really interesting situation because it's showing me that it is possible to not have sympathy for anyone involved.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:46
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Dick Fontaine posted:also striking is like, refusing to work. not refusing to be a product for a few days. that’s just called “living your best life” I mean, strike, boycott, whatever. The core is to withhold something of value. The subreddits are clearly something of value and the moderators clearly have power, as shown by reddit's response to this.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:48
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CJacobs posted:https://reddark.nextflow.cloud/ And that number's dropping fast. Saw like 20 subs go back to public in the time I was browsing that page, which wasn't all that long.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:49
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The famous case law on unpaid moderation is AOL but while DOL had investigated and found that the moderators were employees a few notable things: -The parties settled so no precedent was established in the courts or by department of labor -AOL mods had scheduled shifts, training, and had to file shift reports after each shift -They were compensated with hundreds of dollars in free AOL access time, making their employee claim very strong. Reddit mods aren't any of the above, but they are walking a tightrope if they start replacing them & enforcing any sort of expectations or required availability.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:58
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Inept posted:hold on while I type up my 30 page treatise on internet nerds versus venture capital Ok, I'll wait.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:04
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Lampsacus posted:Digg was better : p Awkward Davies posted:Digg sucked rear end both are true
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Jun 16, 2023 20:18
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bus hustler posted:-They were compensated with hundreds of dollars in free AOL access time, making their employee claim very strong. drat, and you know AOL was always stingy with the hundreds of hours of free access :p
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Jun 16, 2023 20:20
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Inept posted:hold on while I type up my 30 page treatise on internet nerds versus venture capital My favorite type of Reddit post is the 50,000 word rant on why my political opinions are valid and should be listened to prefaced by "Well I didn't vote, but..."
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Jun 16, 2023 20:33
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The mods need those third party apps and such to do their job of tamping down on bigotry and hate speech on a wide scale, especially when reddits own tools are too cumbersome. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759761/reddit-disability-accessibility-blackout-api-blind And the entire blind/vision-imparied community was completely left out of any of this stuff and only got verbal promises to do better from reddit. Only 2 accessibility apps were left out of the api pricing after the uproar, but thats barely anything. The official reddit app for iOS is apparently unusable by screen readers, and has been chronically underdeveloped as an app. Apparently its known for how bad it is.
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Jun 16, 2023 20:41
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Power move would be to launch a clone and just point every third party app at the new site. Start their own place with blackjack and hookers and heavy modding against chuds with an existing array of polished and already installed apps
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Jun 16, 2023 20:50
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nine-gear crow posted:My favorite type of Reddit post is the 50,000 word rant on why my political opinions are valid and should be listened to prefaced by "Well I'm not racist, but..."
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Jun 16, 2023 20:56
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Jun 16, 2023 21:06
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nine-gear crow posted:Also a Reddit Classic  This meme macro (unpopular opinion puffin) was used for racist ends so often on meme subreddits that it became known as 'White man's bird-en'
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reddit mods are mods of individual sub reddits. they don't work for reddit. they don't answer to reddit. they simply use a service provided by reddit. do you actually read reddit? its like saying discord mods work for discord or the person with the remote works for netflix.
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Sentient Data posted:Power move would be to launch a clone and just point every third party app at the new site. Start their own place with blackjack and hookers and heavy modding against chuds with an existing array of polished and already installed apps You just described Lemmy and it's a bit of a shitshow right now. They just picked up 100k new users over the last week which is peanuts to Reddit but basically tripled their size overnight. The shitshow element is because it's federated, which basically means that there are like 100 different mini-reddits that all share posts with each other. They each have their own rules for signing up (some are open, some are not), behavior, and their own often identical set of core communities like movies, music, etc. So let's say the new Powerwolf album comes out, and everyone in the Lemmy fediverse is excited about it. You're going to get one thread for it from each instance, instead of a single point of discussion. Whoops we found another box of top secret documents in Trump's bidet. Every politics community is going to have a separate thread for it. Do you want to talk about it in the beehaw thread? Or the lemmy.world thread? If you're a true believer you're supposed to just accept that this is a feature and not a bug and part of the magic of the fediverse because goddamn you cannot shut up about Powerwolf for ten seconds. The other issue is that the communities with open signups and lax moderation policies are shockingly attracting a bunch of assholes. So they're popping up in threads based from other instances and ruining everyone's good time to the point where several Lemmy servers have already started de-federating from each other. There's also Tildes.net which seems promising since it's invite only and modded a bit more closely, but also the userbase seems pretty small at the moment. I've got a couple invites if anyone wants to check it out though.
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Awkward Davies posted:I mean, strike, boycott, whatever. The core is to withhold something of value. The subreddits are clearly something of value and the moderators clearly have power, as shown by reddit's response to this. Just do a procott like they did with the Oakland A’s. See you give a rich person extra money for one day and they’re supposed to learn the error of their ways and then take your demands super seriously.
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Jun 16, 2023 21:39
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So Elon Musk directly inspired all this. https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1669800835843235845 quote:
Open rebellion by moderators before more is done to the sites infrastructure is looking like a better and better decision already. Look at the hive of TERFs and nazis twitter has become with so little moderation.
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KrunkMcGrunk posted:is fark still running? Yes
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