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mbt
Aug 13, 2012

if you embrace hxh being the author just making poo poo up as he goes it becomes even better because its so unpredictable. setting up a dozen arcs with almost no resolution is a lot like life in a way. namaste


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Evil Eagle
Nov 5, 2009

Kurapika's Dolphin chain requires Emperor Time too and it can't be deactivated until he gives the ability back. he's going to loving die after being unable to return someone's ability I bet

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I feel like the bombers are a good example because they have to explain their ability to activate it and it has a clear deactivation rule. It is also neutralised heavily by knowing how it works. So it gets to be super dangerous but has pretty big drawbacks if they don’t plan.

Cheetu and the ants are weird because they got to create their abilities seemingly as much as they liked due to pitou iirc.I can’t recall the details too well. Cheetu also had the ability permanently removed if he ever lost which is a pretty solid limit already.

As for Kurapika eyes he mentions to Gon in Yorknew he initially planned his heart binding cow chain would only be for spiders. However he wasn’t sure if it would then kill him as soon as he used it on himself to enforce that. So instead he can only use it with red eyes. However in that same conversation he tells Gon he can also control his eyes from the same training. It’s the same limit on empeoror time. If they kept the scarlet eyes as only triggered by spiders or left that training to be something he did during greed islands the ants etc it’d be better imo.

The series is godly and I love it so much Kurapika included. I just always found that stuff a bit of a weakness compared to everyone else’s Nen.




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Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

everyone gets to create their ability just as they want it though lol, the kids make fun of kite every time hes like "jeez the way my ability works is such a pain" because its like uh, dude, you made it that way. pitou is just good at coming up with powers tht synergize with peoples natural abilities

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Evil Eagle posted:

Kurapika's Dolphin chain requires Emperor Time too and it can't be deactivated until he gives the ability back. he's going to loving die after being unable to return someone's ability I bet

Emperor time is only limited by his eyes which isn’t a limit. I did appreciate him getting locked into it and fainting and burning like a decade. If that ends up feeling like a legitimate limit then all my issues are gone really. I just feel like it won’t end up actually being a problem going forward. I’m like 15 chapters behind so maybe it’s shown up again.




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EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Fungah! posted:

everyone gets to create their ability just as they want it though lol, the kids make fun of kite every time hes like "jeez the way my ability works is such a pain" because its like uh, dude, you made it that way. pitou is just good at coming up with powers tht synergize with peoples natural abilities

Yeah but cheetu should have permanently lost his and then he just went back to pitou to get a new one lol which most people can’t do. The ants are able to just plug and oaky fully grown abilities




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scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

Poppers posted:

I just treat HxH like the manga doesn’t exist. The anime ends perfectly

fool. the succession war arc is insanely good

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

scary ghost dog posted:

fool. the succession war arc is insanely good




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Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

scary ghost dog posted:

fool. the succession war arc is insanely good

yup

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

It's good but it's gonna be agonizing spending ten years waiting through hiatuses

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

All the troupe ftw but Phinks and Feitan ftw




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Kild
Apr 24, 2010

EmmyOk posted:

Yes tha/s what it's set up as. But it only applies to his Chain Jail for capturing spiders. The chain that goes around your heart and compels you to do what he says or you die, the borrowing other peoples powers, the healing chain, and the dowsing chain he can use against anyone he wants for not penalty. Some stuff is limited to when his eyes are red but he's also able to enter the red eyed state voluntarily by yorknew.

the rest of his chains are much weaker without being in emperor time. He can't heal a broken arm in seconds with his heal chain, for example.

EmmyOk posted:

I like Kurapika and he owns especially in the succession war imo. I don't mind it as much in the succession war when they're all long established Nen users. It distracts me in Yorknew that he got to a level to beat the spiders only six months after learning nen. Especially after Heaven's Arena where the whole arc drills in how rare and one in a billion gifted Gon and Killua are, then it turns out Kurapika is miles ahead of them.

Half of Heaven's arc was spent not learning nen and the other half was them just messing around while learning the basics. And in Gon's case he was banned from doing Nen related things for like 2 months. If Wing helped them focus on making a Hatsu for 6 months im sure they'd be even further ahead, considering they made decently strong ones in the span of 2 days. Like look at Killua getting godspeed and he's still getting stronger while Kurapika has seemed to mostly have peaked with the only new thing he got was a double-edged power borrower in the same time.

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

scary ghost dog posted:

fool. the succession war arc is insanely good

this

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

also kurapika is one of the few specialists in the show and the only one out of the protagonists on top of being a freak like gon and killua in terms of potential

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

His healing chain is limited by Emperor Time but he can access ET whenever he wishes. It also only took a few seconds to heal a shattered limb, so it's not even like the ET life drain will have any effect. Judgment Chain lets him specify multiple complex rules a person has to follow or they die instantly. Dowsing chain lets him tell if anyone is lying to him, and even found Neon's location simply from holding a map in front of him. Dolphin is a double edged sword but every nen power with a restriction/vow. It's not a heavier penalty than it is a blessing. I think all of those could really be standalone powers by themselves and still be incredibly strong.

He's also not just a Specialist, he's a specialist and conjurer depending on state so he ends up with two nen abilities. I don't think any individual ability is terrible but I think he just have a smaller set. He is a protagonist but that doesn't really matter imo. That doesn't make these issues feel less lame to me. Gon and Killua end up being much more satisfying because they gain a lot of strength but it all flows from the same single abilities and we see how much effort they put in to develop them. Kurapika didn't train non-stop for six months either. There was time before he found the agency and then his master for example, and after that when he went to interview with Nostrade and had to go off and find a rare item for them. Even with 6 months it would feel too soon to be on the spiders level when he only has one chain restricted to them. Also I agree he should be hailed as a super freak genius even more than Gon and Killua but no one ever acts like that. I think he sticks out because there are a lot of other very powerful characters but how their powers are written feels more earned.

Anyway that's what I think but no one agrees so it's okay




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scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007
i thought kurapika was super boring in yorknew but in succession war the new nen powers and nen beasts are more insane than most jojos stands and kurapika is soundly outclassed, so its very fun to watch him scramble every time something insane happens. also, kurapika is a girl.

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

scary ghost dog posted:

i thought kurapika was super boring in yorknew but in succession war the new nen powers and nen beasts are more insane than most jojos stands and kurapika is soundly outclassed, so its very fun to watch him scramble every time something insane happens. also, kurapika is a girl.

Yep. It’s true.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007
hunter x hunter arcs go like this:

hunter exam/zoldyck family arc = naruto
heavens arena arc = dragonball
yorknew city arc = one piece
greed island arc = sports anime
chimaera ant arc = fullmetal alchemist
chairman election arc = death note
succession war arc = jojos bizarre adventure

bees x1000
Jun 11, 2020

I really need to get around to reading one piece

or watching it? I'd prefer watching it if the anime is good

bees x1000 fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jun 16, 2023

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007
it's literally good the entire time so it's not like something you need a shitload of time to do. reading 5 chapters a day for two years would be the best two years of your life

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

bees x1000 posted:

I really need to get around to reading one piece

or watching it? I'd prefer watching it if the anime is good

anime is okay until like 300 episodes in then the pacing goes to poo poo and you still have 800 more episodes to go.

there's a fan made kai version named one pace tho

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
i like how leorio despite being the weakest of the main gang becomes the strongest in terms of rallying people behind him what with the election arc thing. i wish we'd see more of him some time

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

ArfJason posted:

i like how leorio despite being the weakest of the main gang becomes the strongest in terms of rallying people behind him what with the election arc thing. i wish we'd see more of him some time

the anime cuts out the fact he solo pushes open killua's gate. he's just as much of a freak as the rest but he spent his entire time in med school instead of death battles and learning nen.

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

ArfJason posted:

i like how leorio despite being the weakest of the main gang becomes the strongest in terms of rallying people behind him what with the election arc thing. i wish we'd see more of him some time

So real of him risking his life so he wouldn't have medical school debt. Leorio ftw

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

scary ghost dog posted:

i thought kurapika was super boring in yorknew but in succession war the new nen powers and nen beasts are more insane than most jojos stands and kurapika is soundly outclassed, so its very fun to watch him scramble every time something insane happens. also, kurapika is a girl.

Yeah I agree that’s why I like him in succession. Being individually super strong in Nen just doesn’t mean anything. He feels constantly totally hosed




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Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

ArfJason posted:

i like how leorio despite being the weakest of the main gang becomes the strongest in terms of rallying people behind him what with the election arc thing. i wish we'd see more of him some time

leorios incredible and the ging punch is maybe the most hype thing in th whole series. i really hope he makes it into succession war somehow even if he's probably gonna be in dark continent big time

bees x1000
Jun 11, 2020

leorio is best boy and machi is best girl

Kild posted:

anime is okay until like 300 episodes in then the pacing goes to poo poo and you still have 800 more episodes to go.

there's a fan made kai version named one pace tho

the anime has pacing issues but the manga doesn't?

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011

Kild posted:

the anime cuts out the fact he solo pushes open killua's gate. he's just as much of a freak as the rest but he spent his entire time in med school instead of death battles and learning nen.

yeah i know he opens the gate by himself. lets not forget he runs the marathon like everyone else. by regular people standards hes insanely strong. but like i mentioned hes like the weakest of the main gang

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

bees x1000 posted:

leorio is best boy and machi is best girl

the anime has pacing issues but the manga doesn't?

Yes, cause the anime has to stall while waiting for more manga content to adapt. The manga is very long but that's just cause it's a huge story, nearly every arc moves at a good pace while you're reading it.

I got the tude now
Jul 22, 2007

bees x1000 posted:

leorio is best boy and machi is best girl

the anime has pacing issues but the manga doesn't?

Yes. The anime catches up to the manga within a few years and bogs down to less than a chapter per episode by like 300 and the filler is generally bad. Mangas pace is great, the arcs are all satisfying complete stores that continuously build a huge world. You don’t have to read x number of chapters to get it, it starts good and only gets better

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

ArfJason posted:

yeah i know he opens the gate by himself. lets not forget he runs the marathon like everyone else. by regular people standards hes insanely strong. but like i mentioned hes like the weakest of the main gang

He is for sure but I also like that he isn't really combat focussed. Like it never feels like he's lagging behind in fights etc. because it's not his bag. Melody saying he has the kindest heart beat :kimchi:




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EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

bees x1000 posted:

leorio is best boy and machi is best girl

the anime has pacing issues but the manga doesn't?

Not sure how much older shonen anime you watch. But instead of seasonal like we're blessed with now or adapting finished stuff, anime used to always run every week of the year nonstop. So stuff like Naruto, one piece, and bleach have so many filler episodes because an episode would normally cover way more than a weekly manga chapter. Then you can't always do pure filler so the episodes slow to a crawl where they're adapting like 1/3 a chapter per episode. One Piece is pretty much the last major anime doing stuff ike that though. I think if you skip the specific filler arcs (non manga) you have like 300 incredibly good episodes before the anime gets really bad. Pretty much up to a major midpoint in the story where you can just switch over in the manga.




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Evil Eagle
Nov 5, 2009

I watched all 1000 episodes then read all 1000 chapters. The issue with one piece isn't full filler episodes, it's that there's an absurd amount of recap at the start of each one along with a bunch of flashbacks and in the moment time wasters. wano was an improvement for a while but I haven't watched any episodes since I caught up with the manga

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Evil Eagle posted:

I watched all 1000 episodes then read all 1000 chapters. The issue with one piece isn't full filler episodes, it's that there's an absurd amount of recap at the start of each one along with a bunch of flashbacks and in the moment time wasters. wano was an improvement for a while but I haven't watched any episodes since I caught up with the manga

Ya you can just totally skip filler episodes if you like. the recapping is heinous. Up until enes lobby I feel the pacing stays solid and good amount of stuff fin each episode. It's the summit war where it gets to be a real drag and you have to see like two characters character running for like 5 minutes every episode on repeat.




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EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Also if anyone ever says something like "you can skip skypiea" "skupieas not that good and just skip it to get to the good stuff" you're in danger and MUST call the police




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Kild
Apr 24, 2010

bees x1000 posted:

leorio is best boy and machi is best girl

the anime has pacing issues but the manga doesn't?

In most anime adaptions nowadays you can do 2-4 chapters per episode depending on how much action there is. One Piece is doing less than 1 chapter per episode bc the author gets a break every month and the anime never takes a break.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1z6umwBs5I

here's a visual representation

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

Evil Eagle posted:

I watched all 1000 episodes then read all 1000 chapters. The issue with one piece isn't full filler episodes, it's that there's an absurd amount of recap at the start of each one along with a bunch of flashbacks and in the moment time wasters. wano was an improvement for a while but I haven't watched any episodes since I caught up with the manga

Yeah legit there's a 2min op, followed by 3-5min of recaps then maybe 10min of new content followed by a min 2 ending.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Kild posted:

Yeah legit there's a 2min op, followed by 3-5min of recaps then maybe 10min of new content followed by a min 2 ending.

They stopped doing endings for hundreds of episodes but they’ve just increased the recap lol. Maybe they brought endings back for Wano though as it did get a big upgrade animation wise




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Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

EmmyOk posted:

Also if anyone ever says something like "you can skip skypiea" "skupieas not that good and just skip it to get to the good stuff" you're in danger and MUST call the police

yup. there's no bad arc

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Kild
Apr 24, 2010

EmmyOk posted:

They stopped doing endings for hundreds of episodes but they’ve just increased the recap lol. Maybe they brought endings back for Wano though as it did get a big upgrade animation wise

lol drat.

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