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who can tell me: do old-rear end waka get found much? i feel like i've never seen another story like that. obviously there's some old ones in museums that survived, but have there been other sunken waka finds?
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Jun 16, 2023 10:40
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I haven't found an answer to that but I did stumble across this on wiki:quote:The only known example of a traditional waka sail is in the British Museum. Typical.
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Jun 16, 2023 12:19
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I've seen that one! hosed up though!
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Jun 16, 2023 12:35
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There's a full size Waka in the Pitt Rivers anthropology museum in Oxford as well, I was really surprised to see it there cause it's not exactly an insubstantial thing to cart all the way around the world.
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Jun 16, 2023 12:58
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the Empire of Blood will accept nothing less, I guess
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Jun 16, 2023 13:13
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A whole Wharenui got taken from Whakatane to Australia, then to England, and eventually it came back after more than a hundred years. The Mataatua wharenui.
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:who can tell me: do old-rear end waka get found much? i feel like i've never seen another story like that. obviously there's some old ones in museums that survived, but have there been other sunken waka finds? The only waka conservator in NZ has worked on 15 canoes. I doubt most of them are as well preserved as that though. There's also been a handful of large carvings pulled out of swamps and riverbanks that may have been hidden during the wars. BuckyDoneGun posted:I haven't found an answer to that but I did stumble across this on wiki: Isn't that returning sometime soon? I've seen a news article about it in the last week or two.
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Jun 16, 2023 22:55
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thanks for the link. that's some cool poo poo. i remember seeing the vasa, a huge 1600s ship that sailed about 300m and instantly sank in stockholm harbour, and reading how it had to soak in PEG for like decades when it was brought up. but it's big as hell
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Jun 17, 2023 00:04
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I love to inform people that traditional waka taua were longer and carried more people than the ship that Cook came to NZ in. Always good to remember when you see waka translated as "canoe".
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Jun 17, 2023 01:34
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No poo poo?!? Like how long are we talking here? Edit: google says up to 30 metres long and 100 people WOW
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Jun 17, 2023 03:02
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bike tory posted:I love to inform people that traditional waka taua were longer and carried more people than the ship that Cook came to NZ in. Always good to remember when you see waka translated as "canoe". "Canoe" in the same way that both a rifleman and a moa are"birds", or indeed a cockabully and a great white shark are "fish".
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Jun 17, 2023 03:21
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Yeah it's sad how unknown those kind of things are. The Polynesian civilisation who settled the Pacific had amazing navigational skills, well fitted-out ocean-going boats with different kinds of sails etc, they were experienced in bringing plants and animals with them over those long voyages for colonisation. People see the Waka that are used for Waitangi celebrations etc and think they are they same, but it's like comparing a fishing boat with an ocean liner. Yeah they're both boats but uh, completely different.
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Jun 17, 2023 05:00
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bike tory posted:I love to inform people that traditional waka taua were longer and carried more people than the ship that Cook came to NZ in. Always good to remember when you see waka translated as "canoe". Could you link me to some info?
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Jun 17, 2023 06:25
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https://teara.govt.nz/en/waka-canoes/page-3
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Man, the our news media is really circling the water with that "we barely reached a recession at the start of this year" news. So how does it work, is it two consecutive quarters of decreased growth in GDP or is it a decrease in GDP itself? Either way it went from a 0.6% in the final quarter of 2022 to a 0.1% decrease in the first quarter of 2023. A clear improvement and it's certainly very obvious to me looking at the data at my job that consumer spending levels are on the rise again. That's not stopping the $1 news site from running op ed after op ed "Here's how hosed you are and will be for the next 12 months".
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Project M.A.M.I.L. posted:Yeah it's sad how unknown those kind of things are. The Polynesian civilisation who settled the Pacific had amazing navigational skills, well fitted-out ocean-going boats with different kinds of sails etc, they were experienced in bringing plants and animals with them over those long voyages for colonisation. People see the Waka that are used for Waitangi celebrations etc and think they are they same, but it's like comparing a fishing boat with an ocean liner. Yeah they're both boats but uh, completely different. Yeah gently caress this painting in particular: 
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Beartaco posted:Man, the our news media is really circling the water with that "we barely reached a recession at the start of this year" news. So how does it work, is it two consecutive quarters of decreased growth in GDP or is it a decrease in GDP itself?
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bike tory posted:Yeah gently caress this painting in particular: I've not seen that before, but is it implying that they were shipwrecked here and colonised through bad luck not good planning? That's a pretty big oof if yes.
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It's a famous Goldie painting that, yeah, suggests all sorts of racist poo poo about the voyages to NZ. It was just taken for granted for years that they would've been desperate and starving when they arrived, basically just drifting randomly in the sea. Only the last like 20 or so years has seen that challenged in a big way.
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Jun 17, 2023 09:17
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Oh yeah big oof. All the sort of stuff my grandparents would have believed true because duh everyone knows that, and it seems really hard to shake that kind of 'knowledge' that is somehow built into the accepted cultural background of the country. Almost like the racism is grandfathered in with each generation.
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:It's just two consecutive decreases, technically it's a recession if it decreases by 0.0001% in two quarters, because capitalism is all about growth baby. My question was what decreases? Is it GDP that decreases or the growth in GDP that decreases?
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Jun 17, 2023 10:08
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Words can mean anything you want them to and, with enough effort, so can numbers!
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Project M.A.M.I.L. posted:Oh yeah big oof. All the sort of stuff my grandparents would have believed true because duh everyone knows that, and it seems really hard to shake that kind of 'knowledge' that is somehow built into the accepted cultural background of the country. Almost like the racism is grandfathered in with each generation. Like the (sculptures? Statues? Models?) of pre-settler Maori in the Christchurch museum which somehow it has only recently been decided that yes actual what local Iwi have been saying for who knows how long is true, they are racist and inaccurate and so maybe we'll replace them
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Lobsterpillar posted:Like the (sculptures? Statues? Models?) of pre-settler Maori in the Christchurch museum which somehow it has only recently been decided that yes actual what local Iwi have been saying for who knows how long is true, they are racist and inaccurate and so maybe we'll replace them  The Christchurch Museum is very nice and it has a wonderful native bird section but yeah they paint a very neanderthal-esque cave dwelling picture of pre-colonial Aotearoa. e: I think this display is supposed to depict the Southern Alps, up on Castle Hill.
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Beartaco posted:My question was what decreases? Is it GDP that decreases or the growth in GDP that decreases? It's two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. GDP number getting smaller not bigger.
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https://youtu.be/ycRcWK7pMoM This is a pretty interesting view on the latest DNA research on Polynesians. Giving strong weight to the theory that they had reached South America (and brought back the sweet potato). And that yeah they knew what they were doing how could you not when you settled the largest body of water in the world.
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The Irish settled the Pacific first, centuries before Polynesians. My evidence is this rock and this 1950s school textbook.
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Ratjaculation posted:The Irish settled the Pacific first, centuries before Polynesians. My evidence is this rock and this 1950s school textbook. Was that before or after the 10 foot tall giants who ruled everywhere?
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Project M.A.M.I.L. posted:Was that before or after the 10 foot tall giants who ruled everywhere? CELTIC giants thank you
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The basketball team? It all makes sense now!
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FWIW it's well known in nautical schools, or at least the new zealand one, that Pacifica had mastered a form of celestial navigation as well as making really neat physical models depicting the prevailing currents surrounding various islands But honestly no one gives a gently caress about seafarers, so
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Apart from a general lack of education on the subject - I think it also comes down to a large part of the population not having regular exposure to a proper night sky... We have a nice dark sky where we live now and it really drives home how it could be used for navigation with how bright it can be and all the points of interest in the sky. City night sky looks like poo poo.
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Jun 17, 2023 22:56
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Polynesian traders regularly and consistently sailed all over the pacific, even all the way to Hawaii on the regular and thats loving AGES away
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 meme wars!!! my wasted youth on the internet is finally paying off
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kaiwero posted:https://youtu.be/ycRcWK7pMoM Theory? I thought it was pretty well established that they reached South America. They got all over the Pacific.
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A lot of people don't realise how absolutely massive the pacific ocean is. Navigating around it is no mean feat.
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That's only like, 2 inches across on my screen.
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Lobsterpillar posted:Theory? I thought it was pretty well established that they reached South America. They got all over the Pacific. I'm going to assume they meant theory, as in the theory of gravity, or theory of evolution.
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