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https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1669739487830720515?s=20 https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1669793446549135361?s=20  ATACMS will be a paradigm shift along the same lines and influence as when Ukraine received Javelins, then M777s, then HIMARS, then western tanks and armored vehicles..every time Ukraine has received a new line of weaponry or equipment, it's signaled a significant shift in the war's course. Add in that Ukraine is receiving F-16s by this fall and you really start to wonder how much longer it will take for Ukraine to win. And the frustrating answer to that is "They could have and should have won by now", but Western aid is being sent in drips and drops. If we'd given Ukraine ATACMS and HIMARS and Leopards in March 2022 this war might have been over by now. E: thank you to whoever restored my tag, you a real one HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Jun 17, 2023 07:33
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I think putin should develop an atacms equivalent then show how manly and strong he is by standing directly infront of it when they test it. I'd lke to see any of the decadent westoids attempt that!
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Jun 17, 2023 07:42
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what kind of targets could be expect to be struck once they have ATACMS
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Jun 17, 2023 07:58
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EasilyConfused posted:I can't even begin to parse this. He's being facetious and it's a complaint that Moscow has a lot of powerful jews. It's a fairly common theme with him and other Russian nationalists. HonorableTB posted:the complaint is russia is getting its poo poo kicked in and they dont like it seconding this is a really, really good article
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Jun 17, 2023 08:06
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Mikojan posted:what kind of targets could be expect to be struck once they have ATACMS parade grounds
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Jun 17, 2023 08:07
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ded posted:parade grounds -1 T34
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Jun 17, 2023 08:11
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https://twitter.com/SpokespersonRSA/status/1669647779939885056 Air raid shelter sound proofing confirmed?
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Jun 17, 2023 09:09
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https://twitter.com/DerAktenfresser/status/1669970899284443137?s=20 I'm not a weapons knower, but even I can tell that's not a Bradley.
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Jun 17, 2023 09:15
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Jesus South Africa is supposed to be a proud, independent, modern nation. Like yeah it's corrupt but it's not supposed to be a tinpot lackey. How humiliating.
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Jun 17, 2023 10:53
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Herstory Begins Now posted:seconding this is a really, really good article
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Jun 17, 2023 11:56
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HonorableTB posted:https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1669739487830720515?s=20
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Jun 17, 2023 12:06
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https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1669918886219640833 oof.
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Jun 17, 2023 12:45
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DiomedesGodshill posted:Has this ever worked? Didn't seem to work well in WW2. No, it specifically does not work. The issue has been debated and researched by academics for decades and the consensus is that you can't terror bomb a country into surrendering, barring things like "well we literally have a new sci-fi weapon that can destroy an entire city in the blink of an eye". You may make the ordinary people who have to endure the terror bombings sick and tired of it and want an end to it, but historically that hasn't made the actual leaders who decide these things give a poo poo. Or you can instead just galvanize the people into resisting you to the last man, woman and child. Of course academics have also debated and discussed the ACTUAL reasons for terror bombing over the decade, and the consensus is "spite" and "revenge". Even during World War II the fire bombing of German cities was carried out with a heavy veneer of "we suffered under the Blitz / Nazi heel for years, now it's your turn". And that's why Russia is targeting Ukrainian civilians as well. They don't think it's going to win them the war, they just want to hurt the people who had the nerve to resist them.
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Jun 17, 2023 13:08
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https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1670050601726619648 https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1670045817221136387
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Jun 17, 2023 14:02
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Is this a tactic to slow down the empathetic un-manly West? Every injured soldier left behind is going to need to be picked up by Ukraine, shipped to medical care, and cared for by Western aid. It's not like Russia has the capacity to rehabilitate wounded soldiers into fighting shape anyway.
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Jun 17, 2023 14:04
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:No, it specifically does not work. It's impossible to prove theoretical outcomes, but there's a few arguments that conclude that WW2 would probably have been over sooner without the bombing raids on German cities. It demoralized civilians to such an extent that any opposition to war was completely hopeless. However, from a military point of view those raids were going to take place no matter what and we can't say what would have really happened so it's maybe a bit silly to debate it. But I do think Russia is just making steeling Ukranian resistance and making any pro-Russian Ukrainians lose all chance of undermining the Ukrainian war effort. Also, it's a waste of weapons that should be used against military targets. But that's p.obvious.
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Jun 17, 2023 14:08
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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1670047977396744193 We hit everything we aimed at, please believe us. 
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Jun 17, 2023 14:09
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Just keeping track of their kill streak, they've destroyed two empires and are working on the third, got it. 
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Jun 17, 2023 15:08
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lol at the tankies hi5ing this picture on twitter. Cheering on actual imperialism while pretending to be a leftist
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Jun 17, 2023 15:16
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Tai posted:lol at the tankies hi5ing this picture on twitter. Cheering on actual imperialism while pretending to be a leftist I think you'll find that it's only Real Imperialism if it comes from the United States region of North America, otherwise it's just sparkling multipolarity. I am very smart and not at all a hypocrite.
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Jun 17, 2023 15:27
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I don't know why they would want to blatantly advertise that sanctions are working. So low on supplies that they've resorted to pulling out the old flags even.
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Jun 17, 2023 15:34
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Sedgr posted:I don't know why they would want to blatantly advertise that sanctions are working. So low on supplies that they've resorted to pulling out the old flags even. They're having a shell of a time 
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Jun 17, 2023 15:34
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I mean I don't know, personally I find the presence of the flag of the literal Russian Empire maybe the most amusing detail in that photo, all the more so if so-called anti-imperialists think everything in the picture is great.
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Jun 17, 2023 15:38
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https://twitter.com/ninaselyna/status/1669619917207871489 Find the fucker who did this and throw them in prison for a couple of decades.
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Jun 17, 2023 15:42
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Jun 17, 2023 16:14
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https://kyivindependent.com/podolyak-african-leaders-came-to-ukraine-to-ask-for-putins-arrest-warrant-suspension/quote:The African leaders' delegation that came to Kyiv on June 16 to present a peace plan was mostly interested in suspending Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's arrest warrant, Mykhailo Podolyak, an advisor to Ukraine’s Presidential Office, said. 
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Jun 17, 2023 16:14
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We're here with the defenders of an illegal invasion and victims of war crimes to negotiate peace. First thing first, you need to make a concession to the invaders, who have offered literally nothing except violence. Hey where are you going don't you want peace
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Jun 17, 2023 16:35
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South Africa seems to be mainly concerned about the awkward situation they got themselves into where they're obligated to arrest Poopin if he ever shows up but still want to have him visit for some dumb summit as a show of BRICS solidarity
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Jun 17, 2023 16:42
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"if you really loved peace you'd remove the aggressive invaders culpability for the war crimes they did, if you don't youre a warmonger" \ 
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Jun 17, 2023 16:44
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mobby_6kl posted:South Africa seems to be mainly concerned about the awkward situation they got themselves into where they're obligated to arrest Poopin if he ever shows up but still want to have him visit for some dumb summit as a show of BRICS solidarity This is true for a lot of neutral non-Western governments. They just don't care in the slightest about the invasion - all they care is how it impacts them directly. When its something like food or fuel prices, its at least kind of understandable, as its about the impact on their people and economy. But when its something like this, of 'Our government got some bad PR and now we are throwing a tantrum', its just absurd.
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Jun 17, 2023 17:06
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The thing that pisses me off about tankies the most is the blatant concern trolling. None of them want peace, they just want Ukraine to roll over and take it. They're just like chuds in how they weaponize language and feelings to get what they want and in any decent world it wouldn't work but normal people hear tankies going "war bad", don't know what they represent and go "hmm yes war is bad, peace should happen" and suddenly if you suggest that maybe Ukraine should not just die out, suddenly you're the bloodthirsty warmonger. And they still don't care what the actual Ukrainians think.
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Jun 17, 2023 17:07
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I mean yeah, one of the unfortunate reoccurring themes in Russian propaganda and pro-Russia discourse is alternating between dehumanizing screeds about how Ukranians are all inferior people on every level who deserve destruction, and paternalistic framing of Ukraine as poor victims of Western aggression (Russia at fault? Perish the thought)
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Jun 17, 2023 17:15
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I know nothing about the ties between Russia and the African states represented by this delegation, but does it not seem like an intentional humiliation of them by Putin, to attack Kyiv while they are there? It left them having to either pretend it didn't happen, or come up with some incredible excuse for why it was fine and also somehow NATO's fault?
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Jun 17, 2023 17:24
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Pookah posted:I know nothing about the ties between Russia and the African states represented by this delegation The 'S' in BRICS stands for South Africa.
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Jun 17, 2023 17:32
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Judge Schnoopy posted:We're here with the defenders of an illegal invasion and victims of war crimes to negotiate peace. First thing first, you need to make a concession to the invaders, who have offered literally nothing except violence. these guys just love war too much!! they cant get enough!
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Jun 17, 2023 17:35
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Fabulous Knight posted:https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1670050601726619648 The complete divorce of ideology of what these flags represent/represented so as to simply promote a patriotic posturing really makes me... Sad. I would ask if these so-called Marxists would ever imagine a time that Lenin would think it reasonable to have the flag of the USSR flown on equal footing to that of the flag of Imperial Russia... But then I remember that they wouldn't care.
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Jun 17, 2023 17:47
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Russia also really likes to use Wagner to take over mineral resources in Africa E: holy poo poo  Wagner is preventing soldiers from surrendering by doing their sledgehammer-to-head poo poo in the trenches with a smashing stump
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Jun 17, 2023 17:47
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I mean bro, what did we do bro? Why do we deserve this? https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1669719067857485824?s=20
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Jun 17, 2023 17:49
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Pookah posted:I know nothing about the ties between Russia and the African states represented by this delegation
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Jun 17, 2023 17:50
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Pookah posted:I know nothing about the ties between Russia and the African states represented by this delegation, but does it not seem like an intentional humiliation of them by Putin, to attack Kyiv while they are there? It left them having to either pretend it didn't happen, or come up with some incredible excuse for why it was fine and also somehow NATO's fault? Yeah it is kind of rude when you think about it that way
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