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Mebh posted:Ozempic was the only drug that seriously helped my wife lower her insulin amounts, start to lose weight and help manage her extremely complex form of diabetes that combined insulin resistance and a hosed pancreas. i'm sorry to hear that 
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Mebh posted:Ozempic was the only drug that seriously helped my wife lower her insulin amounts, start to lose weight and help manage her extremely complex form of diabetes that combined insulin resistance and a hosed pancreas. Christ, I'm so sorry to hear this. Is there literally no way it can be prescribed? I've been able to test medications by being a master of drama during a discussion with GP.
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Jun 16, 2023 23:55
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They'd prescribe it happily, but every pharmacy just shrugged and said out of stock. There's literally no way to get it on the nhs as a diabetic as it's not considered "critical".
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Mebh posted:They'd prescribe it happily, but every pharmacy just shrugged and said out of stock. There's literally no way to get it on the nhs as a diabetic as it's not considered "critical". Can it be paid for anywhere safely you're aware? Can the hardship fund we have pay for it?
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Jun 17, 2023 00:07
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Even if it's not within the scope of the hardship fund I could help fund a private acquisition of it.
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Jun 17, 2023 00:13
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You need a prescription from a private doctor.
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So based on my understanding of the situation... Do you remember two years ago when the Oxford AstraZenica Covid vaccine was supposed to be released in Europe? But there was a big whoops and all the supplies for the EU were accidentally made wrong and couldn't be released. But there was no problem with the UK supplies so they could be released with no issue. Oh and the US and Isreal and some other countries who could pay under the table mysteriously got some large supplies of Vaccine? That's what the situation is like. It's not a matter of "I will pay real world money to get it!" It's that is being ring fenced to a certain type of high net worth buyer who is into this because of a combination of "trends" and diet culture indoctrinating them into fearing being fat. It's a gross situation and one that hurts the people who really need it. Sorry if it didn't help you stop eating cheese Emperor Boris the Incompetent.
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HopperUK posted:You need a prescription from a private doctor. I know ozempic availability is worse than adderal in the US, which is really saying something. Hopefully production can be ramped up soon.
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HopperUK posted:You need a prescription from a private doctor. So have pharmacies got it just not NHS supplies (not sure how that works)? Otherwise not sure how a private prescription would help if it's just not available? Ed: Just done a bit more googling - so Mebh is the problem that her GP doesn't think she needs it for her diabetes so won't prescribe it? Found this list of conditions so presumably she doesn't match some or any of them? quote:
source https://www.secondnature.io/blog/ozempic-nhs Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Jun 17, 2023 02:01
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https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1669781547715641345quote:A man has been charged with stalking an MP and impersonating a police officer. Simon Parry is one of the right wing conspiracy grifters, and I've seen his name crop up with covid stuff. I guess this is the incident in question: https://twitter.com/Nullen80/status/1669320856860860417
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Jun 17, 2023 02:26
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Sorry no - the suppliers are the same for NHS and private for the most part. I was thinking in terms of getting a prescription since that's usually the trickier bit. That said we have had stock of Ozempic in at my pharmacy. Not all strengths and not all the time but it isn't completely gone, it still trickles through.
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smellmycheese posted:Lol. This is Johnson’s column tomorrow. He’s trying to become the new Adrian Chiles Lol Boris is doing diet drug advertisements but he's too fat and lazy to just stick to a diet for a month before writing the article.
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Jun 17, 2023 07:03
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Specialist pharmacy service stock shortage tracker says 0.25mg ozempic may be available if that's any help (it's not in my experience the most useful website so that info may be outdated). Can she switch to e.g. liraglutide in the short term? (Am not an endocrinologist, just an internet person)
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Jun 17, 2023 07:45
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In the UK, drugs are approved by the regulator (MHRA, though we used to take approvals from the EMA before brexit), for a certain indication (ie weight loss in obesity). Pharma companies will apply for certain indications and regulators will decide if the evidence supports the application. For example, pharma company x may want get their drug approved in people with BMI above 27, but regulator says they only see benefit to people with BMI above 30, so that’s what the drug is approved for. However, just because something is approved it doesn’t mean it’s available - health systems need to calculate whether it’s a good use of money/resources. This is where NICE comes in - pharma companies provide various cost effectiveness data and such, and NICE uses this and other data to work out if it’s worth funding the drug for patients. They use a measure called a QALY (quality adjusted life year) to help do this - a drug that costs a lot to provide one QALY to a patient is unlikely to get funded. This is why you may remember various outrage stories about NICE not funding various drugs over the years. This happened a lot with cancer drugs, which provided marginal benefit over standard of care, but (no doubt influenced by pharma PR agencies) led to fuming daily mail articles. A lot of drugs for relapsed cancers may provide enough of a survival increase (eg 4 months) to get approved by the regulator but not enough of a benefit to actually be worth funding by NICE. This was why Cameron created the Cancer Drugs Fund, to provide money for drugs that NICE deemed not cost effective. Though that CDF pot got used up pretty quickly. Private health however can pay for anything that is approved by the regulator (exceptions for covid vaccine - not available privately), even if not funded by NICE.
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Actual snakes or is that asking if you can go to the park with your cock out?
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Apraxin posted:well, at least we're getting incisive content from it So this is that banality of evil I keep hearing about.
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Guavanaut posted:Wasn't his fault that the British nuclear codes were a spunking cock and a racial slur. Haven't heard Radio 4 for two days. I open the safe. It's just a piece of paper with dickbutt drawn on it.
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OwlFancier posted:Actual snakes or is that asking if you can go to the park with your cock out? Actual snakes. Seems most people are actually quite happy for the guy to take his snakes to the park.
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I wouldn't be a very good sub commander because if I didn't hear Radio 4 for 2 days I would be too busy celebrating to do anything else1 Also probably because I would never launch a nuke
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Last I remember in the lifestyle articles selling ozempic that people were paying £1000 a month for doses. When you can get that money selling it privately with such high demand, why both selling to the NHS? Pharmaceutical production will catch up in a year or two, but it's a slow process especially when there's not covid money behind it. For a good overview on the science behind how ozempic works for weight loss I reccomend Derek Lowe's blog, a medical chemist who actually knows how this poo poo works. https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/ozempic-and-other-glp-1-drugs-more-people-realize Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Jun 17, 2023 09:19
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The wonder drug is nicotine. Boris going to say he smokes 80 a day Embassy Blue
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happyhippy posted:The wonder drug is nicotine. Well we know he doesn't smoke Parliaments wakka wakka.
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Jun 17, 2023 10:44
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He thinks he smokes Winstons but actually smokes Basics
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https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1669727364106862592 e: and a fresh CWS: https://twitter.com/coldwarsteve/status/1669421908343889922 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Jun 17, 2023 10:49
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I am pretty sure that a sign of being intelligent is not announcing how smart you are.
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Thanks for the kind posts. If we could buy it, I would have. Basically it's being ringfenced and is unreliable in the supply she would need (vastly higher than for weight loss). To my knowledge the patent is owned by one company and they have no intention of increasing supplies as it's very expensive and complex to make and the fad is already dying down. Stocks are supposed to return to normal next year. Woo. I'm just really angry this was allowed to happen with off label use. As how it works for weight loss is it basically makes you too nauseous to want to eat. Pretty sure there are lots of ways to do that.
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I really don't know what to make of this. What? https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1670022000805400576 e: But this has just jumped into view, and I'm lol'ing https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1669856476146327553 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Jun 17, 2023 11:53
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Angrymog posted:Actual snakes. Seems most people are actually quite happy for the guy to take his snakes to the park. As they should. Snakes are great. 
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fuctifino posted:I really don't know what to make of this. What? He's a modern-day Frank McCourt, our Wesley
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Jun 17, 2023 11:57
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Just reply to it asking where you can pirate it
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Mebh posted:Thanks for the kind posts. If we could buy it, I would have. Eh, not really. It depresses the appetite and makes you feel full, but not via nausea - that may be a side effect but it's not designed for it. Hopefully, it'll get approved for weight loss to help obese and production will expand so both groups can get the medicine they need.
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Gorn Myson posted:Just reply to it asking where you can pirate it https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1670027245891493888
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Eh, not really. It depresses the appetite and makes you feel full, but not via nausea - that may be a side effect but it's not designed for it. Hopefully, it'll get approved for weight loss to help obese and production will expand so both groups can get the medicine they need. No medical training at all but from what i read you get nausea at the start and when the dosage is upped then it settles down. Complications are pancreatitis, bone loss and an increased chance of thyroid cancer, more work required on long term effects and once you stop taking the drug your appetite returns to what it was. As an obese person i think i'll pass.
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Jun 17, 2023 12:20
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My Scramble to the top to kick away the ladder: A Wes Streeting Story.
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Just Another Lurker posted:bone loss 
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Mebh posted:Thanks for the kind posts. If we could buy it, I would have. It's also a vision of what is to come from poorly regulated markets on drugs/medicines and unregulated social media*. You are going to get trends where some dipshits will say "combine these two drugs for wonderful results!" And it will be posted and allowed to spread on some social media, and then become a craze in the real world. Just like with Horse Wormer medication and Covid or diet craze with diabetic medicine. Welcome to our new Cyberpunk reality. *= Not fully the fault of social media on It's own. Legacy media feeding and stoking up political tensions and anti-intelectualisim** laid the ground work for this. But it's hard to imagine that even the most rabid crazy media organisations like GBNews and the like would run with these claims. ** = See the earlier conversation about anti-intelectualisim a few pages ago.
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Is there some sophisticated subtle algorithmic thing happening on virgin media TV that makes sure whatever channel I wanna flick to has loving ads playing at that minute? Or am I just unlucky? I swear that 9 times out of 10 I sit down, switch it on and start flipping through the guide to find something to stick on. Then, no matter what time it is, when I do find something and stick it on, it's loving ads. I swear I've seen more ads than actual TV shows on this thing since getting.
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Jun 17, 2023 13:16
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