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BlankSystemDaemon posted:If that's what you want, that's your business, but there is the reason why BBS', Usenet, forums, email clients designed to handle mailing lists, text-/image-boards and basically every other way of interacting with people has favoured simple listings and made threading optional. “Opague”, indeed. I think it’s a little silly to argue about the “best” comment UI. An aggregator serves a different purpose than a forum. Their comment structure is going to be different to reflect that. I agree that Reddit doesn’t foster community in the same way SA does, and I do think their UI reflects that. However, there are clearly advantages to reddit’s user experience. That’s why it was so useful to append “Reddit” to the end of a google search. Reddit’s UI is focused on sourcing the *best* comments, and allowing users to find them easily. That sacrifices community, sure, but it still accomplishes the goal it set out for.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Yeah, going from for-profit service to another is definitely going to go well. that's mostly the whole history of social media. users migrating from one ruined for-profit site to the next that hasn't been ruined yet. e: i will say that discord is probably the only other social media service aside from these forums that i've had an overall good experience on in the past decade. it's inevitable that it will get bought and ruined eventually, but i hope it's got some good years left. Bad Purchase fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Awkward Davies posted:“Opague”, indeed. There's nothing unique to what Reddit does, Digg did it before - and I'm pretty sure there were a few other social news aggregator sites before that. If they hadn't failed to be bought by Alphabet, and then subsequently implemented a very controversial new design, Reddit might've never taken off.
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Bad Purchase posted:that's mostly the whole history of social media. users migrating from one ruined for-profit site to the next that hasn't been ruined yet. Discord is already the loving worst, so I guess the good news nobody could ruin it
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:They’re both shitposting forums but one is nice and one is mean. They have very specific cultures analogous to nothing else. Read it and if you feel like you don’t get it you’re right and move on. fyads more or less freeform creative writing/improv where if you suck people will let you know, and the only thing that matters is that your postings funny or doesn't gently caress up the flow of things that are thats really all there is to it
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mobby_6kl posted:Discord is already the loving worst, so I guess the good news nobody could ruin it
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Awkward Davies posted:However, there are clearly advantages to reddit’s user experience. That’s why it was so useful to append “Reddit” to the end of a google search. Reddit’s UI is focused on sourcing the *best* comments, and allowing users to find them easily. That sacrifices community, sure, but it still accomplishes the goal it set out for. Hahaha, no. The upvote system frequently means that the best answers are buried beneath the earliest and snappiest answers. It's very bad at identifying the best and most useful comments. Reddit isn't the default go-to for Google because it is effective, it's the default go-to because it's popular. The "advantage" to reddit's user experience is that our monkey brains make the feel good chemicals when we see numbers go up on a post we made, which makes people post there more, which makes it a good place to search for answers as long as you're willing to wade through 5 near-identical Q&A threads to find the one that has the correct answer.
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i haven't had good luck with adding 'reddit' to google searches for a long time now, which is probably not because the answer doesn't exist in some reddit thread, but because google does a really terrible job of ranking results when it gets 100 hits from the same website e: also, the result snippet shown on the google page often exists in an auto-collapsed comment thread when the post loads and good luck finding it Bad Purchase fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Jun 17, 2023 22:10
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I mean opague in the sense that the algorithm that powers things is proprietary - nobody but its engineers know how it works; any explanation that's available has been fed through a PR department, besides which it's probably not very up-to-date. I, uh.... Think they meant.... Well: opaque. Not opague
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The Bananana posted:I, uh....  And I would've appreciated the gust of air, because it's way too loving hot here. 
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I do feel some sympathy for people dismayed by Reddit's decline, and maybe even a little for people mourning Twiter (Twitter is so bad I struggle with sympathy for its users, though). For me, the biggest loss was when Yahoo! shut down the Yahoo News Message Boards. Like with so many other things, Yahoo! was pretty much first to implement something that later took off when done by somebody else. The News Message Boards accidentally became a huge social media site, but Yahoo! didn't know what they were doing and axed it, and know that big chunk of online history is effectively memoryholed.
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Threaded comments are loving dogshit and we should ban anyone who admits otherwise here. In the entire history of Reddit 3 people have never been able to have a discussion like you've had take place 4 times in the past few pages alone. bus hustler fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jun 17, 2023 |
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Yahoo would own the entire internet if they hadn't been so grossly incompetent
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feel like pure poo poo just want yahoo pool back
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maybe jeffrey could add voice chat to forums threads? thoughts??
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i checked out the federated reddit clones, but man, i think anything with a downvote button just brings out the worst people god forbid you just respond with words and stuff
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gotta burn down the old horrible thing to make room for the new horrible thing it’s 
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Bad Purchase posted:maybe jeffrey could add voice chat to forums threads? thoughts?? What I:d like to see is audio smilies that play .wav files when you click on them
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I do feel some sympathy for people dismayed by Reddit's decline, and maybe even a little for people mourning Twiter (Twitter is so bad I struggle with sympathy for its users, though). For me, the biggest loss was when Yahoo! shut down the Yahoo News Message Boards. Like with so many other things, Yahoo! was pretty much first to implement something that later took off when done by somebody else. The News Message Boards accidentally became a huge social media site, but Yahoo! didn't know what they were doing and axed it, and know that big chunk of online history is effectively memoryholed. I really 100% wish legitimate organizations, like news, politicians, and businesses, would stop using Twitter.
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Bad Purchase posted:maybe jeffrey could add voice chat to forums threads? thoughts?? I just use the voices in my head.
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I have AI presidents narrate all gbs posts
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Stubear St. Pierre posted:Yahoo would own the entire internet if they hadn't been so grossly incompetent Truth. It was so bizarre to watch them introduce new cool thing, fail to actualize on it, and have it slowly fade away and die. They had online storage years before Dropbox or Google Drive, had online notes years before Google Keep or OneNote, and had viable webmail before drat near anyone but Hotmail. But they never managed to actually do much of anything with it.
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kliras posted:i checked out the federated reddit clones, but man, i think anything with a downvote button just brings out the worst people the idea's to automate forums janitorial functions. like, the assumption being that a spam post will just get downvoted into annihilation. the actuality is something different
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Hey we got that extra season of Community out of Yahoo, that was a nice donation to the nerd community on the way out
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whenever i read a comment thread of some people doing a bit that they saw on tv 10 years ago i want to launch them out of a cannon into the loving sun
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:If that's what you want, that's your business, but there is the reason why BBS', Usenet, forums, email clients designed to handle mailing lists, text-/image-boards and basically every other way of interacting with people has favoured simple listings and made threading optional. I've realised that whole nerd spaff blancmange of a paragraph could've been summarised in one word: 'context'. I think the two points you made though, are very separate things. Echo chambers are bad across the board, I don't like them and will always do my best to not be in one. This is a risk within any sort of structure though, and that's solved somewhere totally differently (policing comment quality) rather than laying it out like that. Couldn't agree more on the upvoting/downvoting thing though - I don't think anyone uses it properly.
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bus hustler posted:Threaded comments are loving dogshit and we should ban anyone who admits otherwise here. The worst part is instead 32 people have a slice of that same conversations split among continually splintering threads with some new goober occasionally barrelling in to miss the point and bring up something irrelevant or wrong. That and basically every post and discussion does and goes unseen after a day
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The Voice of Labor posted:I would respect the conclusion more had op nailed the last piece of the research puzzle, that anyone can be a byob poster if they smoke enough weed okay then I'm a shoo-in I'll post later. (never)
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Lusty Grundles posted:I think my last message has misled one or two people. For me , hierarchical/indented comments are better I'm with you. Threads are great when you match the general population of the forums. Subreddits with stacked/hierarchical comments are better to see further conversation with multiple points of view which is what I prefer. I also check out the controversial dumped on comments,
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feverish and oversexed posted:I also check out the controversial dumped on comments, why? when you have a downvote system, anyone who would contribute unpopular but reasonable comments in a community won't stay there long if they keep getting downvoted because why waste their time? so once the culture of a place is established, the only controversial posts you find regularly are either from trolls or just completely unhinged weirdos who can't take a hint
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hacker news still don't know how to use their threaded system for conversations, and it's usually just everyone replying to some branch of the biggest comment to be fair, it's hacker news, so not necessarily a flaw in the general system, but they should probably just (...) the branches at some point like reddit
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kliras posted:hacker news still don't know how to use their threaded system for conversations, and it's usually just everyone replying to some branch of the biggest comment It's because people clout-chase upvotes and visibility. No use replying to some thread halfway down the page when 90% of people are gonna just read the top parent comment and some of the top threads off it before hitting their back button. It's one of the things I don't like about threaded comments. At least with linear poo poo, you get equal visibility of all input. Hyperlinked replies aren't the best solution, but at least you can use them to trace some semblance of discussion.
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Bad Purchase posted:why? because often the downvoted stuff is just people that got bandwagoned and I actually agree with them so I like to check out reality (local subreddits)
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Welcome back old goons and welcome refugees of reddit and Twitter
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Bad Purchase posted:why? Fair point though, but there is a hidden third option. The court of popular opinion, where folks en masse decide they don't like someone (I distinctly remember that Gallowboob guy got a lot of poo poo for a while because of the volume of content he contributes) and take it upon themselves to bury their contributions. I have the same opinion of Steve Huffman as pretty much everyone else here, he's a land-dwelling bellpiece but seeing every comment of his sat at -2000 minimum isn't an indication of the quality of each comment or their relevance to the discussion (as they're supposed to be). They're nothing more than "we think you're killing the site, and we don't like you for it at all". They're not wrong, but that's absolutely not what the function is for.
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