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Google Jeb Bush posted:when I was on the jury we had ample opportunity to submit questions The defendants had pleaded not guilty, BTW. So I guess it's the Trump strategy on a smaller scale - drag things out for as long as possible.
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Payndz posted:My time as a juror, one trial involved the theft of a laptop from a house, where we got to see CCTV footage from the house next door that someone tried to break into on the same night - which was clear enough for the cops to go "Huh, that looks remarkably like known criminals Bob Bandylegs and Mike Mullet," go to their flat and find the stolen laptop in the otherwise empty bin outside their front door. Can't wait for Bob Bandylegs to get elected US President and pardon themselves.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1670165526214066177?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw Is he a “lawyer” or is he a Lawyer? I hope it’s the former and that the stream will be funny tv.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1670165526214066177?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw John Yoo next!
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Boris Galerkin posted:Is he a “lawyer” or is he a Lawyer? I hope it’s the former and that the stream will be funny tv. Was not surprised in the least when his name started coming up in this poo poo.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Is he a “lawyer” or is he a Lawyer? I hope it’s the former and that the stream will be funny tv. From latter to former on Tuesday.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1670165526214066177?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw LOL. You know the California Bar is absolutely murderously angry at this when they are ordering his disbarment to be streamed. Apparently got disbarred because of his actions in support of overturning the 2020 elections.
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When you become a lawyer you swear an oath to uphold the constitution, so it's probably that.
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"I want to see your disbarment streamed as a warning to the next ten generations that some things come at too high a cost. I'll look up at your destroyed career and wave, just like this."
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Boris Galerkin posted:Is he a “lawyer” or is he a Lawyer? I hope it’s the former and that the stream will be funny tv. He's one of those Federalist Society types who has a real law degree and has held real law jobs, but has spent every moment of their decades-long legal career working for conservatives to push conservative causes, and in return getting those conservative causes to pad his resume with empty job titles so that he can pursue bigger and more prestigious conservative advocacy jobs. Because of that, it's hard to know how much of his stance is true believerism vs cynical willingness to push any argument that advances his cause. But by mid-2020, he was writing op-eds arguing that birthright citizenship isn't real and therefore Kamala Harris was ineligible to be VP.
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Televisio Frankus posted:"I want to see your disbarment streamed as a warning to the next ten generations that some things come at too high a cost. I'll look up at your destroyed career and wave, just like this." I want you to know I see this Babylon 5 reference and I appreciate it.
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Main Paineframe posted:He's one of those Federalist Society types who has a real law degree and has held real law jobs, but has spent every moment of their decades-long legal career working for conservatives to push conservative causes, and in return getting those conservative causes to pad his resume with empty job titles so that he can pursue bigger and more prestigious conservative advocacy jobs. Often, you push an idea long enough (even if you don't internally believe it), teach it to others, etc - most people eventually become true believers even if they started out with an opposing view. Just the nature of being human, the mind craves internal consistency because it's simpler and less mentally demanding than to live 24/7 with an alternate persona.
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Televisio Frankus posted:"I want to see your disbarment streamed as a warning to the next ten generations that some things come at too high a cost. I'll look up at your destroyed career and wave, just like this." Well you just sent my mind on a horrific journey that ended with a vision of liberals making memes and videos of Hilary as Ivanova, so thanks for that
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enigma74 posted:Often, you push an idea long enough (even if you don't internally believe it), teach it to others, etc - most people eventually become true believers even if they started out with an opposing view. Just the nature of being human, the mind craves internal consistency because it's simpler and less mentally demanding than to live 24/7 with an alternate persona. Having interacted with some of these people, the force in question is not, by any means, internal consistency. The human capacity for cognitive dissonance is practically infinite, and individuals in these roles can hotswap beliefs on a dime-I've watched them do it. The factor that facilitates their shift in perspective (and their ability to maintain internally contradictory beliefs) is that it benefits them to do it, and that the work involved is entertaining and attention-consuming enough that the actual sources of dissonance never come to the fore.
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Televisio Frankus posted:"I want to see your disbarment streamed as a warning to the next ten generations that some things come at too high a cost. I'll look up at your destroyed career and wave, just like this." 
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Televisio Frankus posted:"I want to see your disbarment streamed as a warning to the next ten generations that some things come at too high a cost. I'll look up at your destroyed career and wave, just like this." Meanwhile the Texas bar punted on Sydney Powells hearing because of some hyper technical reading of Georgias statutes that they almost certainly got wrong but didn’t ask to clarify from, you know, Georgia. So she gets to keep on being one of the worlds worst lawyers.
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Main Paineframe posted:He's one of those Federalist Society types who has a real law degree and has held real law jobs, but has spent every moment of their decades-long legal career working for conservatives to push conservative causes, and in return getting those conservative causes to pad his resume with empty job titles so that he can pursue bigger and more prestigious conservative advocacy jobs. Hearing him on the radio in the early 2010s, he seemed enough of a true believer to me. I could never remember his voice, so it sticks in my mind how every couple months i’d hear someone saying the worst possible poo poo (like that thing with Harris not being eligible) with a straight face and go “what the gently caress?” Only to then hear the host thank Professor Eastman for his time. “Oh right, that schmuck.”
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Murgos posted:Meanwhile the Texas bar punted on Sydney Powells hearing because of some hyper technical reading of Georgias statutes that they almost certainly got wrong but didn’t ask to clarify from, you know, Georgia. So she gets to keep on being one of the worlds worst lawyers. Texas is just really committed to the free market, man. All the information is out there, you want to hire Sidney loving Powell you do you brother.
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https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/27/united-states-v-trump/ Gag order issued for materials received as part of the discovery process. Start the clock.
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Deuce posted:https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/27/united-states-v-trump/ I like the note that Trump isn't allowed around the discovery materials without his lawyer present and the lawyer has to make sure he accounts for all the materials after Trump spends any time with them. Including notes and copies. I was waiting for an explicit reminder to not leave a bunch of copies of discovery materials in a Mar a Lago shower.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I like the note that Trump isn't allowed around the discovery materials without his lawyer present and the lawyer has to make sure he accounts for all the materials after Trump spends any time with them. Including notes and copies. My first reaction was "Judge Cannon gave her god-king a gag order???" and then I realized she is trying her best to protect him from himself.
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Check Acyns feed for more quality clips from this fiasco. https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1670924265158324225 Trump is down to doing his own hair now I think. Also a lot of talk today about MSNBC giving Trump a town hall, but it was from an interview question saying they might if it was bought up.
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Lol that Trump gets a gag order then immediately goes out to an interview where he insists the boxes and papers were his, he couldn’t give them back because he didn’t have time to separate classified stuff from other papers, and Biden and Pence did the same thing and got caught for it but they weren’t prosecuted like he was This trial is going to be an absolute clown show.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:at this point I think Reinhart is just trying to be maximally professional even when he knows Trump's response to "please don't tamper with Witness 4" is going to be him immediately tweeting "WITNESS FOUR IS A GREAT GUY, I HAVE VISITED HIM MULTIPLE TIMES AT [HOME ADDRESS], HIS CHILDREN GO TO THE VERY GOOD [SCHOOL NAME], HE'D NEVER COOPERATE WITH THE DEEP STATE HOAX" Yeah, very much this - everyone is, yet again, going to bend over backwards to accommodate him and his churlishness, only for him to inevitably and almost immediately stomp and moan and disparage and (hopefully) get himself held in contempt
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For the law-dumb among us, what does August 14 mean? From context I'm gathering it's expected to take longer than that to actually get this show on the road. OK, federal cases are always slow but what are the details? Why is that considered fast, and why is Cannon doing it that way? Personally I want someone to call Trump on his bullshit tactic of bluster, bloviate, deny, and delay. It's his go-to defense in everything, "YEAH I DID THE CRIMING BUT gently caress YOU, JUSTICE DELAYED IS gently caress YOU EVEN MORE". So why is Cannon trying to pressure her wet, orange god?
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There is a Speedy Trial Act that says: Trial must commence within 70 days from the date the information or indictment was filed, or from the date the defendant appears before an officer of the court in which the charge is pending, whichever is later. 70 days from June 8 is August 17. Practically it will get delayed. “Certain pretrial delays are automatically excluded from the Act's time limits, such as delays caused by pretrial motions.”
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bird food bathtub posted:For the law-dumb among us, what does August 14 mean? From context I'm gathering it's expected to take longer than that to actually get this show on the road. OK, federal cases are always slow but what are the details? Why is that considered fast, and why is Cannon doing it that way? Personally I want someone to call Trump on his bullshit tactic of bluster, bloviate, deny, and delay. It's his go-to defense in everything, "YEAH I DID THE CRIMING BUT gently caress YOU, JUSTICE DELAYED IS gently caress YOU EVEN MORE". So why is Cannon trying to pressure her wet, orange god? This is pretty normal for trial stuff, as motions and other stuff go off on both sides it will get bumped around, literally nothing and just standard court procedures.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Does the July 24th cutoff date for pre-trial motions means that all delay tactics need to be filed by that day, and after that nothing else can be filed? Theoretically, but in practice there's going to be a bunch of stuff filed before then that will delay everything. It's probably best to view these initial dates as kabuki theater. Everyone involved knows they'll get moved around, but part of the ritual is setting them, so that they can later be moved around, so that down the road when it actually gets time to really schedule things, the judge can say "trial was initially scheduled for X date. Then we gave you an extension for this reason, and that reason, and this other reason, and now you've used up your extensions" or words to that effect in more formal language. These dates are the equivalent of telling the host at a party "oh we need to leave in a bit" just so that later on when you say it again they know that this time you really mean it.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Does the July 24th cutoff date for pre-trial motions means that all delay tactics need to be filed by that day, and after that nothing else can be filed? Sides can agree to motion for extensions (or can file contested motions for them). The defendant is the one with a right to a speedy trial, so the judge will generally grant motions for delay or reschedule things unless it's clear they are just stalling for time. The government should *generally* be pretty much ready to present their case when they charge the defendant, so they don't usually have too much cause to try to delay the trial. There could be instances where new information is discovered during discovery by defendant or unexpected witnesses are proposed by them which the government needs to do prep to counter though. At a state level, things can get delayed a ton because prosecutors are overworked. They might ask the defendant to agree to delay a trial until a later date when their schedule is more clear, and they often do. Though they are not obliged to and can force the prosecution to suck it up and deal with a busy schedule. I doubt that the government here is going to suffer from insufficient manpower though, so I don't anticipate that happening.. Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Theoretically, but in practice there's going to be a bunch of stuff filed before then that will delay everything. It's probably best to view these initial dates as kabuki theater. Everyone involved knows they'll get moved around, but part of the ritual is setting them, so that they can later be moved around, so that down the road when it actually gets time to really schedule things, the judge can say "trial was initially scheduled for X date. Then we gave you an extension for this reason, and that reason, and this other reason, and now you've used up your extensions" or words to that effect in more formal language. Also, "give us a reason to delay" is harder than "let us know when you're ready." The judge is in control of the schedule that way, not the attorneys.
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Did the US DOJ just spend five years investigating the family of Trump's political opponent and in doing so managed to find (checks notes) a bit over $100,000 in unpaid taxes? Not even "didn't file taxes", but just "didn't pay enough"? I mean, that's not even a positive ROI in terms of revenue, and probably isn't even in terms of deterrance.
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Ynglaur posted:Did the US DOJ just spend five years investigating the family of Trump's political opponent and in doing so managed to find (checks notes) a bit over $100,000 in unpaid taxes? Not even "didn't file taxes", but just "didn't pay enough"? I mean, that's not even a positive ROI in terms of revenue, and probably isn't even in terms of deterrance. I dunno, did they? Got any links or stories to discuss or are we just shouting into the void
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