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RPATDO_LAMD posted:The other problem is that the anti air weapons don't really have any amount of interaction or skill. You just have to happen to be the right class and then point your rocket launcher up at the jet in the sky long enough to lock on. So there's no chance to really "outplay" them, you just take the literal one option available to you and then they either notice the big homing-missile-incoming warning on their screen and press the chaff button to live or they don't (probably because it's on cooldown) and they die. Even if you buffed antiair to make jets less annoying you wouldn't really fix that gameplay dynamic to be not bad. Yep. What's extremely funny is that this dynamic was painfully apparent literally twenty years ago with Battlefield 2 and yet here we are in 2023 still talking about it. Jets just flat out do not belong in a game where most people are playing on the ground. The only interaction that ever exists between the two sides is getting randomly blown up, either on the ground by a jet or in a jet by a lock-on ground weapon.
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That's why Bad Company 2 was great. Just people living in the moment, no jet in sight.
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Battlefield 4 introduced a fun little rail gun you could find on some maps which would handily 1-tap aircraft. But it wasn't a regular load out option. In Battlebits, a single rpg will kill a helicopter- which so far as I have seen are mobile spawnpoints rather than gunships.
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When will somebody make a blocky tribes game. I'd do it myself, but I'm more of an ideas guy.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Having never played a battlefield game, what's the selling point of "No Jets" ? People, especially goons, get really mad about jets
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Having never played a battlefield game, what's the selling point of "No Jets" ? No Jets IS a selling point because jets were always the worst thing about battlefield games Yami Fenrir fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jun 18, 2023 |
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I never liked the jets because I had to race a bunch of folks who really wanted a jet and then I was basically just playing a kind of awkward flying game that didn't have much to do with everything else. Way more fun to just yolo into chaos with some other dudes in a vehicle or find a good sniping spot
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Again, Desert Combat solved this before the other Battlefields regressed on it. The closer a jet got to ground the more dangerous it was. Nobody had to wait for a lockon, they could just fire at the aircraft and G2A was quite lethal. A2G aircraft were very vulnerable to dedicated fighter jets as well. It is only the developers' steadfast refusal to learn from the BF1942 mod they all took inspiration from that makes air oppressive.
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It seems strange to argue that a single person on a team of 30, 60, 120 people being able to single-handedly crush the entire enemy team is bad for their own team because that single player isn't on an objective. If the entire enemy team is dead or dying who is there to contest the rest of your teammates from controlling the objectives?
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Idiootti posted:That's why Bad Company 2 was great. Just people living in the moment, no jet in sight. Sab669 posted:It seems strange to argue that a single person on a team of 30, 60, 120 people being able to single-handedly crush the entire enemy team is bad for their own team because that single player isn't on an objective.
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Jets weren't really that bad unless you were dumb enough to play BF without enough people to fill out a whole squad so you could deal with whatever yourself. Your team was ever only chaff for you regardless. It was always fun to watch jet duels end in both players slamming into a radio tower they weren't looking at
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Jack Trades posted:I don't play Battlefield games but can't you solve that problem by making jets a bit slower and louder, to let people react to them, and maybe also buffing anti-air options? It's called Battlefield 1, the best Battlefield game.
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Battlefield 1 just had terrible guns and terrible shooting mechanics, the maps were cool though. I am not sure what they did to shooting, but I went back in to it recently since people seem to have nostalgia for it, and it was awful.
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I should've played more BF1 but my cooling system failed at some point and it melted a hole straight through my graphics card lol
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Rusty posted:Battlefield 1 just had terrible guns and terrible shooting mechanics, the maps were cool though. I am not sure what they did to shooting, but I went back in to it recently since people seem to have nostalgia for it, and it was awful. The shooting feels like you're just lobbing glowing orbs at one another with those obnoxious tracer effects but it probably has the best war-feel out of any entry in the series I'd say.
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Has anyone found a use for the stamina patches in the SS remake? I can't figure out a good use case. Fights don't last long enough for it to matter. When sprinting through cleared areas, I want to go faster; not faster then slower for no net benefit.
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LLSix posted:Has anyone found a use for the stamina patches in the SS remake? No. I can't say I've even noticed that there's a stamina system at all.
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BF1's "terrible guns" were the best part, it actually gave them personality and specific use cases instead of the modern games' "this AR-15 variant fires slightly faster but with slightly more recoil." Also lol if you don't think the scopeless Martini Henry is God's own personal firearm.
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Mordja posted:It's called Battlefield 1, the best Battlefield game. Wasn't that the one that pretended to be a WW1 game without actually having any WW1 guns?
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Mordja posted:BF1's "terrible guns" were the best part, it actually gave them personality and specific use cases instead of the modern games' "this AR-15 variant fires slightly faster but with slightly more recoil."
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Jack Trades posted:Wasn't that the one that pretended to be a WW1 game without actually having any WW1 guns? the experimental guns that never saw any use in WWI, or any war, were some of the coolest weapons in the game but there were also a ton of authentic WWI weapons and even a game mode that forced players to use bolt actions, but most opted not to
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:the experimental guns that never saw any use in WWI, or any war, were some of the coolest weapons in the game I only saw some of the early gameplay footage but what I saw looked like loving CoD, with people sprinting around with automatic submachine guns which was extremely lame for an alleged WW1 game.
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Paradoxish posted:Yep. And this is why Hardline was the best 'modern' BF game  No jets at all. Heli's could be damaged with MGs and such from the ground. You also got to shoot cops.  Woop-woop, that's the sound of da police
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Battlefield has never been much for realism. Wouldn’t have made for a good battlefield game to have all bolt actions . But the random accuracy cones were a real bummer in 1.
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Jack Trades posted:I only saw some of the early gameplay footage but what I saw looked like loving CoD, with people sprinting around with automatic submachine guns which was extremely lame for an alleged WW1 game. turns out most ppl prefer to use the fun guns with unique aesthetics if the popularity of the bolt-action game mode is any indication and there’s nothing stopping a player from using only the most period-accurate weaponry, some of those guns were near the top of the meta and viable in most modes I like that there were a lot of weird weapons that ive never heard. Gave the game a really unique feel to its theming that other WWI games dont usually go for
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DRG's bolt-action rifle is one of the most satisfying guns in any game. Granted, it's laser accurate and powerful.
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:turns out most ppl prefer to use the fun guns with unique aesthetics if the popularity of the bolt-action game mode is any indication What other WW1 games?
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Jack Trades posted:What other WW1 games? off the top of my head, theres Verdun and Isonzo. Havent played them, but they seem to be a more realistic take on WWI if thats what youre looking for
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Jack Trades posted:What other WW1 games?
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Jack Trades posted:I only saw some of the early gameplay footage but what I saw looked like loving CoD, with people sprinting around with automatic submachine guns which was extremely lame for an alleged WW1 game. It basically was but also nobody gave the slightest gently caress about the accuracy besides redditors
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Tiny Timbs posted:It basically was but also nobody gave the slightest gently caress about the accuracy besides redditors I just don't see the point of using a fairly unique setting and making the same game you've always made using that setting's skin, but what do I know.
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Jack Trades posted:I just don't see the point of using a fairly unique setting and making the same game you've always made using that setting's skin, but what do I know. I think people had a lot of fun playing it and enjoyed the slightest comic setting op, so I think that was the point
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Croccers posted:And this is why Hardline was the best 'modern' BF game It's a crime that Hardline bombed so badly, it just needed to be its own IP.
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Battlebit Remastered - if the map is about to end and you're in a damaged vehicle, the "WARNING: VEHICLE DAMAGED" beeping noise will persist the entire 40 seconds or whatever after the level ends but before the next map loads So you might want to exit the vehicle
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Random question. I don’t know if I’m tired or what, but I’m playing a demo for Islands of the Caliph and there are only keyboard shortcuts right now, no mouse. They use wasd and letter keys for most actions. But I cannot for the life of me figure out what keys “cul” and “cur” refer to.
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Deakul posted:It's a crime that Hardline bombed so badly, it just needed to be its own IP. I failed to play it because I thought I’d miss the heavy military vehicles but I regret skipping it now
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Jordan7hm posted:Random question. I don’t know if I’m tired or what, but I’m playing a demo for Islands of the Caliph and there are only keyboard shortcuts right now, no mouse. They use wasd and letter keys for most actions. But I cannot for the life of me figure out what keys “cul” and “cur” refer to. just a wild guess but could it be { and }
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Hwurmp posted:just a wild guess but could it be { and } Argh, yeah that makes sense. Thanks
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