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I mean, Caiphas Cain gets laid quite a bit and the books framing device is by his long term girlfriend who confirms they definitely were banging for like a hundred years off and on. And you have more explicit romance and sex stuff in the Eisenhorn series. Its not in most books but its not entirely absent either even if they shy away from explicit sex scenes.
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Yeah, I don't think 40K's fluff shies away from sex/romance because GW's going for adolescent boys, but simply because it's not really what fans are really looking for in the IP. Speaking for myself, I'm usually a sucker for sappy as hell romances, and I fully admit to being a 'cri everytiem' sort of person, but I consume 40K media for stories of heroic sacrifice, grimdark grimdarkness, cosmic horrors man weren't never meant to see, and orks. Romance just doesn't really factor into my choices of 40K media, and even in this game I expect romances as part of the genre, as opposed to being part of the 40K IP proper.
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Jun 17, 2023 04:26
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One of the Dawn of Fire novels has romance between a historitor and the XO of the Imperial Navy ship he's traveling on. It's just a fling because only in death blah blah but it's not creepy or exploitative as they're outside the other's command structure.
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Eifert Posting posted:It was a bad day in general for bugs. I was on a void ship mission that crashed to desktop every 5 minutes so I had to save every 3 minutes. I had a combat where somebody got stuck running on a treadmill when I asked him to move somewhere where I had to close the program. A gargantuan Palace kept disappearing, and then there's the immortal dancing eldar. I went from not reporting a single bug to reporting like 12 in one session. this honestly just sounds like the Warp.
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Jun 17, 2023 05:05
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I wonder if we will stick with a frigate for the entire game. They're one of the better ships for a Rogue Trader in general but given the amount of forces the enemy eventually start throwing at you we are going to need either something bigger or a bunch of escort vessels. I know some of the colony projects award escort vessels but I've never seen them in action.
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Jun 17, 2023 05:53
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From what I've seen so far the escort seems to be an AI-controlled copy of your starting ship. Which means it isn't really that useful because the ship AI is terrible at fighting. But I also haven't seen any enemies bigger than a light cruiser I think? Maybe the later chapters have bigger ship classes, since one skill seems to mention them.
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Jun 17, 2023 13:10
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Eh, I don't mind the free escort ship. It's expendable, draws enemy fire, and even fires on enemy ships once in a while, and did I mention it helps soak up fire? Great for when you're facing Drukhari and heretic ships (the latter of which have had their AI dramatically increased since the alpha). I do hope we get both the opportunity to upsize our ship (though my gut says that's unlikely) and face much larger enemy ships though.
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Jun 17, 2023 18:36
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Give me ork romance.
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Jun 17, 2023 22:30
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Parallelwoody posted:Give me ork romance. I'll settle for a freeboota companion
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I'll settle for just having Orks at all. Up to Chapter 3 and not a single set of Boyz.
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Jun 17, 2023 22:57
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Designwise your ship looks somewhat like a mix of a Firestorm and a Sword, but in terms of loadout it's realistically just a somewhat upgunned Dauntless-class light cruiser. Like, we've got: -Port/Starboard weapon batteries + an additional light dorsal weapon battery -Prow lance -Prow torpedo tubes -Ram (despite this generally being mutually exclusive with torpedoes for, uh, self-evident reasons - this is likely here just because ramming is fun, rather than really making sense) That's basically just a Dauntless that's got both its (generally mutually exclusive) weapon options installed plus a few extra weapon batteries bolted on. It's way, WAY more weaponry than any actual Imperial frigate carries. With that said, particularly given how many Eldar ships they're tossing at you, I really wish they'd mostly just stick with the enemies being frigates/destroyers of various descriptions, rather than tossing in cruisers. Like, just sticking to Eldar corsairs, their cruiser options are the Shadow and the Eclipse. One of these is a light carrier that's also mounting dual Pulsars, and the other's mounting a forward weapon battery that's basically a battleship's broadside but on a cruiser. These are absolutely not things a sole frigate or light cruiser - even an upgunned one - remotely want to fight.
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Parallelwoody posted:Give me ork romance. Waagh, waagh, waa-ah-waagh.
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Jun 17, 2023 22:58
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Lord Koth posted:That's basically just a Dauntless that's got both its (generally mutually exclusive) weapon options installed plus a few extra weapon batteries bolted on. It's way, WAY more weaponry than any actual Imperial frigate carries. It's a cruiser that's been registered as a frigate for tax purposes.
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Jun 18, 2023 00:13
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I like the ship combat but sometimes the facing for torpedoes and ships gets bugged out and it sends me every time
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Parallelwoody posted:Give me ork romance. That's just a fight. You're asking to fight orks.
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Jun 18, 2023 01:36
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Warmachine posted:That's just a fight. You're asking to fight orks. ...and?
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Jun 18, 2023 01:44
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Parallelwoody posted:Give me ork romance. Isn't this just fighting orcs? Edit: dang, beaten.
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Parallelwoody posted:Give me ork romance. Oi! Wanna krump some zoggin spikey boys? Waaaaaaghhhh! And dey say I don't take you nowherez speshil...
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So I see a lot of 40k lore fans in here that I don't usually see in the Black Library thread. I imagine a lot of you probably haven't read too much of the more recent 40k fiction, and for you I wanted to say that things have drastically improved in the last 5 years or so. Several books/series have been released that rival Eisenhorn/Ravenor in quality and are incredible science fiction stories in their own right that just happen to be set in 40k. In addition, BL has started doing a lot more Xenos POV novels that are actually really well done, both Orks and Necrons have some really great books out now from their point of view. Also the third trilogy in the Eisenhorn series is 2/3rds of the way down and not only is it incredible but has some huge lore implications. If you haven't read 40k fiction in years because the majority of it used to suck I would highly recommend you pop over to the Black Library thread in the book barn. You're missing out on some good stuff. They've really improved the overall quality recently. The thread consensus and best current newer recommendations are: Vaults of Terra trilogy by Chris Wraight and Watcher's of the Throne Trilogy by Chris Wraight (3rd book isn't out yet) They are both set on Terra during the opening of the great rift and do an incredible job with the setting and story. Vaults of Terra is more lower level with a Terran inquisitor unraveling a conspiracy that goes to the heart of the imperium and Watcher's of the Throne follows Custodians and the chancellor of the Imperial Senate as the imperium is rocked by the Great Rift and Guilliman's return. They also both have some crossover with each other. In my opinion (and many others) these two series are every bit as good if not better than the Eisenhorn stuff. The Necrons have three amazing novels that turns them from boring rear end robots to a really great faction in their own right. The Infinite and the Divine is basically grumpy old men but Necrons and is hilarious and really well done. The Twice Dead King duology is the other Necron series that is excellent and a thread favorite as well. For Orks check out the books Mike Brooks has put out, they are also hilarious and really well done Ork POV novels. One last recommendation, if you ever wondered what would happen if you combined all four golden girls and put her in charge of a powerful Navigator house during a succession crisis check out Rites of Passage also by Mike Brooks. There is quite a lot of other great stuff that has come out recently so feel free to come to the BL thread and ask about what interests you but those above are some of the thread favorites right now.
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The Lone Badger posted:It's a cruiser that's been registered as a frigate for tax purposes. DLC - the cryptanalysts of the Revenum Inspectarium aren't impressed with your fuel expense deductions, and they brought an inquisitor with them
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Man all I wanna do is flaunt about all pompous and every other time I make landfall to talk to a dignitary everyone gets shot. Game fun though. Caidin fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jun 18, 2023 |
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The Lone Badger posted:It's a cruiser that's been registered as a frigate for tax purposes. Haha, nah this is the Imperium. There's obviously regulations regarding the type of ship a Rogue Trader can own, and so they've got official papers from the (totally not bribed) Administratum clearly delineating that this is in fact a frigate. Anyone questioning why it's twice the size of any frigate is free to enquire with their local Commissar or Ecclesiarchy official as to how the Imperium is wrong.
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Lord Koth posted:Haha, nah this is the Imperium. There's obviously regulations regarding the type of ship a Rogue Trader can own, and so they've got official papers from the (totally not bribed) Administratum clearly delineating that this is in fact a frigate. Anyone questioning why it's twice the size of any frigate is free to enquire with their local Commissar or Ecclesiarchy official as to how the Imperium is wrong. i thought the whole point of rogue traders is that they have a signed letter from the emperor himself that says "this guy can do whatever he wants" passed down from their greatx1000 grandpa
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Lord Koth posted:-Prow torpedo tubes In the battlefleet Gothic tabletop game, almost all imperial ships have rams and torpedos, the only time they don't have torps is if they have a nova cannon. And the only time they don't got rams is when they have advanced sensors instead which improve their chances to hit.
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Give me a corporate matters DLC, where one Rogue Trader dynasty has absorbed another one through a very violent take over, and now face "right-sizing" as they realize that they now have double the Administartum, and there's pressure on the trader heirs to report STONKS UP to their masters.
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cock hero flux posted:i thought the whole point of rogue traders is that they have a signed letter from the emperor himself that says "this guy can do whatever he wants" passed down from their greatx1000 grandpa Theoretically yes, for the most part. But then, so do Inquisitors. Practically there actually are limits - significant ones - on the authority of a Rogue Trader. Particularly weaker or newer ones. With that said, yeah there are a fair number of RTs with cruisers - even grand cruisers in exceptional cases - but was mostly just continuing the joke of why this clearly not a frigate actually is. ElBrak posted:In the battlefleet Gothic tabletop game, almost all imperial ships have rams and torpedos, the only time they don't have torps is if they have a nova cannon. And the only time they don't got rams is when they have advanced sensors instead which improve their chances to hit. Yeah, in retrospect I'm not certain what I was thinking about - at least in terms generalities of Imperial ships. With that said, we're talking about a frigate or light cruiser here, neither of which have that heavily armored (6+ vs. 5+ armor, in BFG terms) bow. In terms of design - whether we're talking about making comparisons to actual ships or just going by the look in the viewer - you've also kind of got that prow lance sticking way past the bow of the ship. And while "I've got a lance on the front of my ship" is funny in terms of talking about ramming, you really don't want to actually hit someone with it.
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cock hero flux posted:i thought the whole point of rogue traders is that they have a signed letter from the emperor himself that says "this guy can do whatever he wants" passed down from their greatx1000 grandpa In the tabletop fluff they describe the tension here. That paper says “this guy can do whatever he wants… to promote the Imperium’s interests outside its borders.” A Rogue Trader’s authority is unquestionable outside the Imperium, and very limited within. And unless you’re going completely rogue, you’re likely coming back to the Imperium’s borders every so often to shop and resupply and meet with the other powers that be. So there’s this tension between what you can do (basically anything) vs what you can actually get away with without getting an Inquisitor on your rear end. Given that this game starts with an Inquisitor on your rear end, that tension is made explicit.
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As with all things Imperium it's always a matter of who you know. A RT could be easily over the line on tech heresy and hiring aliens, but if he's making some grand Inqusitor extremely rich, all the lower rank Inqs and affiliated are gonna to have to let it slide as long as it's not extremely blatant. Conversely, you get a pissed off Inq and if he demands to see the warrent of trade it better not be smudged or illegible. The actual ordos in question is probably as important. An Ordos Xenos is gonna be meh about some tech heresy but likely care way more if you've been sharing meals with an Eldar.
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Rogue traders are free to have any ship they want if they can afford it and staff it, and hold many worlds in their vast trade empires beyond the Imperium's official borders if they can keep them. Realistically, the Navy might have Opinions if you want anything bigger than a grand cruiser, since in the Navy's opinion those are for the Navy. You can try to fight the Navy, but it won't go well.
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pentyne posted:As with all things Imperium it's always a matter of who you know. This. It's important to remember that the Imperium is, in fact, very, very fascist. Which means it's both extremely inefficient and *incredibly* corrupt beneath the veneer of gratuitous, sneering violence and "necessary" inhumanity.
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wiegieman posted:Rogue traders are free to have any ship they want if they can afford it and staff it, and hold many worlds in their vast trade empires beyond the Imperium's official borders if they can keep them. See my previous comment, this time for a grand admiral.
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I think the idea that Black Library stays away from certain topics because they feel like teenagers aren't going to read it is a really asinine thing to say. I know so many more 40K fans in their mid to late 30s than I do teenagers, It's an older hobby. I can't link any specific comments because it's poo poo from, like, podcast interviews But every established black library author I've heard talk is very aware of the challenges of the setting and wants to avoid something that actually trivializes real trauma.
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wiegieman posted:Rogue traders are free to have any ship they want if they can afford it and staff it, and hold many worlds in their vast trade empires beyond the Imperium's official borders if they can keep them. How is a planet claimed by a Rogue Trader outside of the Imperium's official borders though? Isn't it part of the Imperium by definition?
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The Rogue Traders are also a holdover from when the Imperium was the Holy Roman Empire in space so it made more sense that there was this group of people who were just empowered to run a fiefdom of a dozen or so planets and also just personally oversee a bit of colonisation. Also there was a greater focus on the fact that the Great Crusade was incomplete so there was still a whole load of human colonies out there that hadn't been incorporated into the Imperium yet.
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evilmiera posted:How is a planet claimed by a Rogue Trader outside of the Imperium's official borders though? Isn't it part of the Imperium by definition? "-ish". If they aren't organized into a sector or subsector, worlds probably don't get regular navy patrols and have little more than a token administratum presence. The Koronus Expanse isn't held by the Imperium in any real way besides having an outline and a label on the map, and the Navy's unquestioned authority stops at Port Wander. That doesn't mean Battlefleet Koronus doesn't rule everything their guns can currently target, but it does mean they're not in charge when a patrol isn't in the area. That means Winterscale's Realm is, both de jure and de facto, Calligos Winterscale's Realm: he's the law there, and the Navy are his welcome guests, as long as he follows his charter to expand the frontier of the Imperium.
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evilmiera posted:How is a planet claimed by a Rogue Trader outside of the Imperium's official borders though? Isn't it part of the Imperium by definition? I think of it along the lines as each Rogue Trader being a kind of vassal. Their out-imperial holdings may eventually be integrated into the Imperium, but that's gonna take a lot of time and bureaucracy. Until that happens, it's more manageable to make demands on the rogue trader and letting them figure out the particulars rather than trying to keep up with rhe administration of a bunch of possibly-unstable worlds.
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evilmiera posted:How is a planet claimed by a Rogue Trader outside of the Imperium's official borders though? Isn't it part of the Imperium by definition? Rogue Traders have a lot of leeway to do whatever they want. And since they exist mostly to push out past the frontier they're far enough away from the central government they can get away with a lot, helped by the bloated, barely functioning nature of Imperial bureaucracy which might not even notice the Rogue Trader fiefdom exists for decades or centuries after they're founded
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Also, the Imperium may never move into the Expanse and set up official government. It's really far out and they're fine having traders do the work of exploiting it and bringing back the goods for them.
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Also while I'm not sure what the date is in Rogue Trader it's probably 999.M41 so the Imperium's going to be a little too busy in a year or so to do anything about a Rogue Trader not paying space taxes on their unregistered Gloriana-class ship
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Eifert Posting posted:I think the idea that Black Library stays away from certain topics because they feel like teenagers aren't going to read it is a really asinine thing to say. I know so many more 40K fans in their mid to late 30s than I do teenagers, It's an older hobby. I can't link any specific comments because it's poo poo from, like, podcast interviews But every established black library author I've heard talk is very aware of the challenges of the setting and wants to avoid something that actually trivializes real trauma. ? I have zero clue how anything you just said connects to anything I posted. Did you quote the wrong person?
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