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Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Are Brook adapters any good? Specifically the Wingman?

I picked up a PS1 and PS2 and would prefer not to be chained by a controller cord, but I also don't want to waste money trying to find a good third party wireless controller in a sea of cheap crap.

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katkillad2
Aug 30, 2004

Awake and unreal, off to nowhere
Fenrir ODE up for pre-order: https://castlemaniagames.com/products/fenrir

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

BigRed0427 posted:

Unlimited Saga! Looking at the box art jogged my memory. Thank you!

I've seen a few lists that put it as the worst game in the US PS2 library. I really wanted to like it when it came out, I liked the PS1 Saga games, I like the art of Unlimited Saga, but it's just so awful.

It wouldn't be top ten worst games in the Europe PS2 library, games like Beverly Hills Cop there are on a separate level of awfulness.

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

Ornamented Death posted:

Are Brook adapters any good? Specifically the Wingman?

I picked up a PS1 and PS2 and would prefer not to be chained by a controller cord, but I also don't want to waste money trying to find a good third party wireless controller in a sea of cheap crap.

I've got one of each type that I've used with an arcade stick without issue.

makere
Jan 14, 2012

Ornamented Death posted:

Are Brook adapters any good? Specifically the Wingman?

I picked up a PS1 and PS2 and would prefer not to be chained by a controller cord, but I also don't want to waste money trying to find a good third party wireless controller in a sea of cheap crap.

There's also the blueretro adapters nowadays that allow PS4/PS5 and other Bluetooth controllers.

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop

Maximo Roboto posted:

Speaking of obscure Asian handhelds from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and beyond, searching for info about the Watara Supervision and the Mega Duck led me to Obsolete Worlds, which is a neat little website with information about them and a few others (the Gamate, Game Master, Game King, and Game.com). Also a bunch of knock-off handhelds.

https://www.obsoleteworlds.com
This is awesome! Thanks

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Classic Game Room is coming back again. :bisonyes:

Silhouette
Nov 16, 2002

SONIC BOOM!!!

Chainclaw posted:

I've seen a few lists that put it as the worst game in the US PS2 library. I really wanted to like it when it came out, I liked the PS1 Saga games, I like the art of Unlimited Saga, but it's just so awful.

It wouldn't be top ten worst games in the Europe PS2 library, games like Beverly Hills Cop there are on a separate level of awfulness.

It really is, the game is impenetrable trash, and even if you learn the systems and how to play it optimally, it's still really loving bad

Pretty though

katkillad2
Aug 30, 2004

Awake and unreal, off to nowhere

Ornamented Death posted:

Are Brook adapters any good? Specifically the Wingman?

I picked up a PS1 and PS2 and would prefer not to be chained by a controller cord, but I also don't want to waste money trying to find a good third party wireless controller in a sea of cheap crap.

Brook adapters are great. I don't think I've tried the one you are specifically talking about. I've got a Brook Adapter for the PS1/PS2 but it's the Super Converter and have zero issues using a PS5 controller on a PS1. I also got the one that was a dual Saturn/Dreamcast adapter which also worked perfectly. Could use arcade sticks, usb keyboards and modern controllers.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Chainclaw posted:

I've seen a few lists that put it as the worst game in the US PS2 library. I really wanted to like it when it came out, I liked the PS1 Saga games, I like the art of Unlimited Saga, but it's just so awful.

I can get not liking it; all of the SaGa games make themselves hard to like and Unlimitted SaGa really goes for it. But I've seen things in the PS2 library that can't be unseen. Horrors that no one should subject themselves to. It's not remotely the worst thing in the library that contains Crazy Frog Racer.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Thanks, guys! I mostly just want to use a DS4 with my PS1/2, but it's good to know arcade sticks also work well with Brook products in case I ever want to dive in to fighters.

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

Ornamented Death posted:

Thanks, guys! I mostly just want to use a DS4 with my PS1/2, but it's good to know arcade sticks also work well with Brook products in case I ever want to dive in to fighters.

Oh yeah, I've used it with the DS4 before to play DQ8

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

Random Stranger posted:

I can get not liking it; all of the SaGa games make themselves hard to like and Unlimitted SaGa really goes for it. But I've seen things in the PS2 library that can't be unseen. Horrors that no one should subject themselves to. It's not remotely the worst thing in the library that contains Crazy Frog Racer.

That's exactly why I used the US qualifier. Crazy Frog Racer is also Europe / Australia only, we never got that trash in the US. The worst PS2 game in the US is probably not even worst 50 in PAL.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Chainclaw posted:

That's exactly why I used the US qualifier. Crazy Frog Racer is also Europe / Australia only, we never got that trash in the US. The worst PS2 game in the US is probably not even worst 50 in PAL.

Ehh, I feel like if you are making a worst of list, you have to exclude the obvious shovleware unless there's something truly special about it.

Like, i knew there was a crazy frog game. I dont have to play it to know it's bad.

As for Unlimited Saga. Yeah, this feels just as importable as when i first played it years ago. Oh well, lets go play Xenosaga.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Even among US-released PS2 JRPGs you can swing a dead cat and hit worse games than Unlimited SaGa

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Ornamented Death posted:

Are Brook adapters any good? Specifically the Wingman?

I picked up a PS1 and PS2 and would prefer not to be chained by a controller cord, but I also don't want to waste money trying to find a good third party wireless controller in a sea of cheap crap.

I got the Brook Wingman NS for my Switch 2 years go for Monster Hunter Rise and then recently got a Brook Wingman FGC with a new leverless controller I ordered. They're both good and do the job, I'd expect their other adapters to be the same.

The Automator
Jan 16, 2009
I’ve got brook things for ps1, 2, and 3, and Xbox 360 and they all work great

LtDan
May 1, 2004


Detective No. 27 posted:

Classic Game Room is coming back again. :bisonyes:

Any details on when or where? I remember a lot of clashes with YouTube.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Chainclaw posted:

That's exactly why I used the US qualifier. Crazy Frog Racer is also Europe / Australia only, we never got that trash in the US. The worst PS2 game in the US is probably not even worst 50 in PAL.

The US got Crazy Frog Racer 2 as Crazy Frog Arcade Racer. I dropped the "arcade" part.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

LtDan posted:

Any details on when or where? I remember a lot of clashes with YouTube.

https://youtube.com/shorts/R6olmi7pLE4?feature=share

Sometime next year it looks like. Hopefully he figured out a model that works for him. Amazon seemed promising for his content, but I don’t know what went wrong there. The episodes were good.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

There’s no loving way Unlimited SaGa is even close to the worst US PS2 game

Null of Undefined
Aug 4, 2010

I have used 41 of 300 characters allowed.

Ornamented Death posted:

Are Brook adapters any good? Specifically the Wingman?

I picked up a PS1 and PS2 and would prefer not to be chained by a controller cord, but I also don't want to waste money trying to find a good third party wireless controller in a sea of cheap crap.

I got the wingman 2 for my ps1 and it works great, the only issue is the ps1 rumble on a switch pro controller is so intense it feels like the controller is going to shake itself apart.

George RR Fartin
Apr 16, 2003




Two weeks ago my Vita decided to corrupt its SD card, my X-Box decided not to boot (thanks for the help, Humphreys!), and my pocketCHIP did what pocketCHIPS apparently do and ate its own NAND. I managed to salvage all three (the Vita is more like 90% salvaged - I had an old copy of the SD card and after copying what I could from the corrupted one, overlaid the corrupted folder with the old one to use on the replacement SD card, so once again I have failed to beat FF7 despite 60 hours of play time and need to start over), and as a sort of a bonus prize, the universe showed my dad where our old game boy was hidden in their house. I had genuinely thought that thing was lost. A nice sort of incidental reward for keeping poo poo running.

Now to replace the screen, which had missing vertical lines when I last used it two decades ago. There's no way it's not worse after having sat for that long, and I'm too old to squint.

EDIT: I don't believe it had batteries in it; we always used the little* plug-in rechargable battery thing with it. If it did, well, I was gonna disassemble the thing to clean it anyhow.

*well, it was a giant blob of a battery attached by a long wire but you get my point

George RR Fartin fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jun 19, 2023

katkillad2
Aug 30, 2004

Awake and unreal, off to nowhere
edit: Nevermind, got it to work

Probably a super longshot, but has anyone successfully found a save file for PS1 on the internet and got it to work on your Memcard Pro? You would think this would be a super easy process with these new/modern memory cards. I guess the issue is most save files on the internet are for emulators. I found a program that converts them called MemcardRex. Though still not having any luck.

Trying to get a save file for Ridge Racer Type 4 to unlock all the cars. That game is pretty incredible by the way. When I had a PS1 I mainly focused on Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo 2 for racing games. I think I had a demo of Ridge Racer and that was it. Gran Turismo doesn't seem to have aged as well as the Ridge Racer games. I got stuck on the final license in the first Gran Turismo. Really just feels like you are driving a boat most of the time.

edit: Kind of confusing but I got it to work. Found the save file, converted it to .mcd with MemcardRex. Then you take that file and rename it 8 times to match the ones in the folder in Memcard Pro.

katkillad2 fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jun 19, 2023

The Automator
Jan 16, 2009
https://github.com/Pezz82/MemCard-Pro-Packs

That has a bunch of saves that are compatible

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

N64 controller questions:
  1. My control stick is floppy and loose. Is that something that can be repaired by taking it apart and cleaning it or do I need to install a new stick assembly? Where would I get one of those? The link in the OP is dead.
  2. I'm thinking about getting one of those alternative (i.e. non-trident shaped) controllers to supplement the regular one. Any recommendations? Do those things have the memory/rumble slot too?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



I need to share some obscure hardware with you.



Doesn't look like much, does it?



That is the AV to RF adaptor which let people who bought one of the new AV Famicoms use it with televisions that only had coaxial input. A weird piece of rump technology, but what makes it special is when it was released: December 1994. The same time as the Playstation 1 and six months after the last Famicom game. That makes that little box the very last Famicom thing officially released.

Mak0rz posted:

N64 controller questions:
  1. My control stick is floppy and loose. Is that something that can be repaired by taking it apart and cleaning it or do I need to install a new stick assembly? Where would I get one of those? The link in the OP is dead.
  2. I'm thinking about getting one of those alternative (i.e. non-trident shaped) controllers to supplement the regular one. Any recommendations? Do those things have the memory/rumble slot too?

A stick that's floppy isn't repairable. This is a major design flaw in the original N64 controllers. Get a replacement stick and put it in the controller.

And the best N64 controller I know of is the Brawler 64. Some people don't care for it but I think it's a good balance of design.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Mak0rz posted:

N64 controller questions:
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[*]My control stick is floppy and loose. Is that something that can be repaired by taking it apart and cleaning it or do I need to install a new stick assembly? Where would I get one of those? The link in the OP is dead.

Nope, that usually just means the gears have worn down and need replacing. This store is where most people wanting original like replacements go for them. There's also replacements that replace the stick with a more modern style analog that you can find all over the place.

Zonekeeper
Oct 27, 2007



Random Stranger posted:

I need to share some obscure hardware with you.



Doesn't look like much, does it?



That is the AV to RF adaptor which let people who bought one of the new AV Famicoms use it with televisions that only had coaxial input. A weird piece of rump technology, but what makes it special is when it was released: December 1994. The same time as the Playstation 1 and six months after the last Famicom game. That makes that little box the very last Famicom thing officially released.

Huh, decided to look it up, and it seems this one actually has different dimensions from the version they later released for the N64 and Gamecube - the one made for those consoles is taller.

You can use the later model on an AV Famicom just fine since they do the same thing, but the console won't sit flush on a flat surface with it attached.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

njsykora posted:

Nope, that usually just means the gears have worn down and need replacing. This store is where most people wanting original like replacements go for them. There's also replacements that replace the stick with a more modern style analog that you can find all over the place.

For clarity: only the gears? There's a number of parts on that store that make up the whole assembly.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Mak0rz posted:

For clarity: only the gears? There's a number of parts on that store that make up the whole assembly.

Get the whole thing. It's only a couple of bucks and it'll make your life easier.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Yeah it’s like $3 for the whole assembly and might as well replace the whole lot.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


George RR Fartin posted:

my X-Box decided not to boot (thanks for the help, Humphreys!)

The way you say it sounds like I helped in making it fail to boot hahah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQwe1tzy2nw&t=33s

SparkTR
May 6, 2009
What's everyone's opinion on preventative console recapping? I've read conflicting things. Some say it's more risky to do the recap compared to leaving it be when nothing is wrong, especially on consoles with high quality caps like the SNES or PS1. Basically the caps seem fine, why wear out or potentially lift the PCB tracks with excess heat?

However other people say failing caps can strain important chips like the RAM and CPU, potentially causing them to permanently fail. So it's best to recap everything ASAP even when the caps look fine.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



SparkTR posted:

What's everyone's opinion on preventative console recapping? I've read conflicting things. Some say it's more risky to do the recap compared to leaving it be when nothing is wrong, especially on consoles with high quality caps like the SNES or PS1. Basically the caps seem fine, why wear out or potentially lift the PCB tracks with excess heat?

However other people say failing caps can strain important chips like the RAM and CPU, potentially causing them to permanently fail. So it's best to recap everything ASAP even when the caps look fine.

Except for a handful of at risk systems, don't. There are a few where the failure rate on caps is sky high in which case absolutely take preventative measures, but there's also a lot of people who hear about recapping and think it should be done for everything.

So first of all, it's only electrolytic capacitors that are at risk. Generally speaking, there's two kinds of capacitors used in electronics: ceramic and electrolytic. Ceramic capacitors are a ceramic block between two conductive plates. Given the sizes involved, it is very unlikely for these to fail. Just about the only way to break them is severe trauma and that has its own problems. These are typically the tiny

Electrolytic capacitors are aluminum tanks of an acid with a set of foil coils inside them. If they're properly sealed and don't get extremely overheated, then they can last effectively forever. But there are a lot of shittily made electrolytics out there. They're not sealed correctly and the acid evaporates over time. This reduces the capacitance over time and in some cases might cause the remaining acid to boil and pop out of the can; the cans are designed to blow their top rather than send metal shards everywhere but that's still not good. So these are typically the capacitors that need replacing, though a lot of places just do everything because it "recapping".

If you know what you're doing and have a desoldering station, there's no significant risk. This does not apply to 90% of the people who try recapping. If you're just doing bit with an iron and you're not a skilled soldered, you're running a pretty big risk of damaging the PCB or other components in the area. Not the end of the world if you have a dead console, but maybe don't risk it if your system is fine. And there's always a chance you're pulling off a good capacitor for one that will fail in three years.

So recapping as preventative maintenance probably isn't a good idea unless it's a system known for using lovely capacitors.

Now to go back to desoldering some 0402 components. I've already burned a fingertip once today...

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I am about 6 hours into Xenosaga 1 for the PS2 and I loving love it. It's 2000s anime as gently caress, we got a magical girl, An emotionless blue haird Android that's gonna be key to the whole thing, a silver haired twink that can teleport, sci-fi and world building poo poo that's being thrown at you a mile a minuet and you have no clue what any of it means yet, useless christian and jewish mythology, a card game! This game has it all!

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Yeah, the ones that are big tubes that have a cross indentation on top are the ones you want to be wary of and probably replace proactively. You can usually just take a look at them and see if they are bulging and if they are, better to replace all the electrolytics. They should be perfectly flat on top.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

BigRed0427 posted:

I am about 6 hours into Xenosaga 1 for the PS2 and I loving love it. It's 2000s anime as gently caress, we got a magical girl, An emotionless blue haird Android that's gonna be key to the whole thing, a silver haired twink that can teleport, sci-fi and world building poo poo that's being thrown at you a mile a minuet and you have no clue what any of it means yet, useless christian and jewish mythology, a card game! This game has it all!

Skip XS2 and go straight to 3 once you're done, I'm fairly sure XS3 has a summary video for 2.

2 is a slog to play, you have to break the armor of bosses to do any significant damage. Every single boss is like this.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Found a great mega-list that includes some truly obscure consoles (my definition: if there's not a single YouTube video about them)

https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Strange_and_forgotten_consoles

Ones that come to mind:

quote:

The Krokha (Кроха) is an unreleased Russian console by SKB Kontur (СКБ Контур). The console was only in development for a short time in 1990 before Kontur pulled the plug on the project. They made 200 units for internal testing and, after it was cancelled, the 200 units were given to the people who worked on the system.

quote:

Lico CAI System
A console released by Lico around the early to mid 90s, this Taiwan-only console is even rarer then the Super A'Can. there is vary little known about it other then
1. Its seems to be an educational console
2. Its not a famiclone.

It's unknown how many units were sold, when it was discontinued or how many games were released.

I also hadn't heard of the Konami Picno before, it's got plenty of videos but is missing from Wikipedia.

Maximo Roboto fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jun 20, 2023

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Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Cross-posting this from the retro tech thread because it’s kinda a game console:

I have one of these, a Socrates Educational Video System:

https://youtu.be/ZDgK-RfNjr0

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to connect it to a modern TV? It’s got an RF Out port and what looks like an RF cable, and the manual says it connects to a VHF port on the back of a television. Are there adapters out there for this kind of thing?

Thanks!

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