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Are the new Cap Space rules the reason why the haul for Beal was so low, or was this the first time Beal was open to being traded and the Wiz jumped on it?
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Jun 19, 2023 03:48
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CoolRanch posted:Are the new Cap Space rules the reason why the haul for Beal was so low, or was this the first time Beal was open to being traded and the Wiz jumped on it? Beal has a no trade clause. So he gets to decide where he goes. Even if it was an open market I don't think there would have been a huge bidding frenzy but once he decided he wanted to go to Phoenix then the choice was either take that deal or keep him.
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Jun 19, 2023 03:50
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CoolRanch posted:Are the new Cap Space rules the reason why the haul for Beal was so low, or was this the first time Beal was open to being traded and the Wiz jumped on it? they have tried to trade him 2 to 3 hundred times before this and then always backed out until basically nobody wanted him anymore. also he had a no trade clause
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Jun 19, 2023 03:50
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I’m glad the Suns are taking a page from the Lakers’ playbook by bringing Vogel in and then giving him a big three of offensively oriented stars with no depth and forcing him to somehow coach this team not built to his strengths at all.
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Jun 19, 2023 04:25
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Lockback posted:Beal has a no trade clause. So he gets to decide where he goes. Even if it was an open market I don't think there would have been a huge bidding frenzy but once he decided he wanted to go to Phoenix then the choice was either take that deal or keep him. He also gets to effectively veto any package he doesn't like coming back, as mentioned earlier it's probably why Ayton wasn't involved
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Jun 19, 2023 04:25
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NieR Occomata posted:I’m glad the Suns are taking a page from the Lakers’ playbook by bringing Vogel in and then giving him a big three of offensively oriented stars with no depth and forcing him to somehow coach this team not built to his strengths at all. Notably offensively oriented stars lebron james and anthony davis...
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Jun 19, 2023 04:33
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NieR Occomata posted:I’m glad the Suns are taking a page from the Lakers’ playbook by bringing Vogel in and then giving him a big three of offensively oriented stars with no depth and forcing him to somehow coach this team not built to his strengths at all. the idea is that vogel will have a competent defense with ayton anchoring the post and vogel teaching everyone else how to make his life easier you know, the mold that every frank vogel team since the pacers has had
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Jun 19, 2023 04:38
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2023 phoenix sun denzel valentine
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Jun 19, 2023 04:38
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CP3 should come to the Cavs and be second backup PG behind Rubio
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Jun 19, 2023 04:39
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Can Lou Williams unretire and play for the Suns? Hell, and Melo
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Jun 19, 2023 04:57
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The Suns are weak at PG, and could use a true Alpha. Did Rondo officially retire?
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Jun 19, 2023 05:31
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Fine I'll be starting PG for the Suns
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Jun 19, 2023 05:46
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:The Suns are weak at PG, and could use a true Alpha. Did Rondo officially retire? 1. I miss Rondo 2. Remember when people used to insult Ben Simmons by calling him Tall Rondo? That's a way better player than he's been for like three years
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Jun 19, 2023 05:53
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The Beal no trade clause was laughed at immediately because it's not like he was saying no to a super max contract. But gently caress the next team to give that out is even dumber after seeing this play out.
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Jun 19, 2023 06:13
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The nba 2k23 story is I have no idea I just had a scene where I was cut from the starters,and then a scene played right after where I'm back on the starters I am extra level dog poo poo at this game
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Jun 19, 2023 06:18
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SunshineDanceParty posted:The Beal no trade clause was laughed at immediately because it's not like he was saying no to a super max contract. But gently caress the next team to give that out is even dumber after seeing this play out. Also it was apparent to everyone that they were going to want to trade Beal and that's the one thing you don't want to include.
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Jun 19, 2023 06:25
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IcePhoenix posted:Has there ever been a successful big three where one of the three didn't take a big step back as a scorer and contributed in other ways instead? Steph/Klay/KD I think Phoenix would be better served to spend for veteran depth to complement the extremely potent 1-2 punch with Book an KD, though. That's how Vogel won with the Lakers.
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Jun 19, 2023 07:00
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Lockback posted:Beal has a no trade clause. So he gets to decide where he goes. Even if it was an open market I don't think there would have been a huge bidding frenzy but once he decided he wanted to go to Phoenix then the choice was either take that deal or keep him. also his contract is Not Great 
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Jun 19, 2023 07:17
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It was there, in plain sight, the whole time. https://twitter.com/Suns/status/1488741619985641476
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Jun 19, 2023 07:25
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The Deal Zone ultimately finds all of us. It is inevitable.
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Jun 19, 2023 07:45
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Porfiriato posted:It was there, in plain sight, the whole time. Lol
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Jun 19, 2023 07:46
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I'm excited to see how Jock Landale does as the Suns' starting centre 
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Jun 19, 2023 08:36
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I'm also laughing pretty hard at people I have seen in other dumber corners of the internet talking about how great this trade is (seriously there's SO MANY IT'S WILD) using Chris Paul being injury prone as a justification when Bradley Beal has literally missed more time than each of the last three years than Chris Paul has. Granted some of that is the fact that Beal's stupid rear end got COVID I think three times, but still lol Like, don't get it twisted. Conceptually getting rid of Chris Paul's contract is absolutely the right move, but how they did that was LITERALLY the stupidest thing they could have done. That NTC is by far the worst part. Mat Ishbia seems kinda like a dumbass unless this somehow works in the most amazingly lucky way possible. That's what it's going to take. More of a miracle than staying pat would've taken.
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Jun 19, 2023 08:55
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I think people are underestimating Beal, he’s been playing in the black hole of basketball that is the Wizards organization, no wonder he looks bad and everyone forgot what he’s capable of The Nuggets had like multiple former Wizards get rings this year including Ish and KCP, and Rui immediately looked much better in LA. Beal has had nothing to play for the last few years because his team is a mess and literally no one could give him any more money, he’s going to look 3 years younger in Phoenix
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Jun 19, 2023 09:30
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DC Murderverse posted:I think people are underestimating Beal, he’s been playing in the black hole of basketball that is the Wizards organization, no wonder he looks bad and everyone forgot what he’s capable of I loving love Ish Smith with my whole heart but using him as an example here is spurious at best.
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Jun 19, 2023 09:35
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I feel like it's also not a good starting point to just assume Beal has been dogging it. Like the moves have not been good and the results somehow worse, but the Wizards were ostensibly trying to build around Beal the last couple years in acquiring guys like Porzingis, Dinwiddie, Kuzma, etc. His injuries have also been shoulder and wrist stuff, with surgeries in there. They're gonna be a really weird looking team next year, and - to me at least - it's unclear if Beal fixes any of the issues they had.
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Jun 19, 2023 11:36
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Assuming someone will be better off the Wizards is how you get John Wall.
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Jun 19, 2023 11:47
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https://twitter.com/themindofjdubb/status/1670607265374654468?s=46&t=3d9JmXOJWgE8nozHLwUyjQ More confident than ever Charlotte is keeping the pick
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morestuff posted:https://twitter.com/themindofjdubb/status/1670607265374654468?s=46&t=3d9JmXOJWgE8nozHLwUyjQ Maybe New Orleans is changing their terrible team name
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Jun 19, 2023 13:31
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What can you even trade Zion for at this point in time. Dude has barely played professional basketball and is due almost 200 million.
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Jun 19, 2023 13:49
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Paul Zuvella posted:What can you even trade Zion for at this point in time. Dude has barely played professional basketball and is due almost 200 million. A high lottery pick and some salary matching with ok players. Hornets could do it with Hayward + 2nd or something. His stats are awesome when he plays, like top 5 in league, and he's still young so he's worth a lot, honestly think a team should gamble on him
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Jun 19, 2023 13:54
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Brogeoisie posted:A high lottery pick and some salary matching with ok players. Hornets could do it with Hayward + 2nd or something. His stats are awesome when he plays, like top 5 in league, and he's still young so he's worth a lot, honestly think a team should gamble on him Sure, that seems fine and good but generally speaking when you don’t he’s power moves you want to be moved to a contender and not a team in basically the exact same situation your current team is in. Like if Zion is miserable in new Orleans is he really going to be happy in Charlotte?
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Jun 19, 2023 13:59
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Well Zion is from the Carolinas and is very close with his family so probably. I really really just want them to use the pick but it’s hard to deny the upside if Zion suddenly stops being constantly injured
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Jun 19, 2023 14:03
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I don't think this is a "Move be to a better team" situation. New Orleans hasn't won because Zion hasn't played much.
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Jun 19, 2023 14:04
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Smeef posted:Maybe New Orleans is changing their terrible team name  Paul Zuvella posted:What can you even trade Zion for at this point in time. Dude has barely played professional basketball and is due almost 200 million. A lot. His value around the league is still seen as an All-NBA player.
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Brogeoisie posted:A high lottery pick and some salary matching with ok players. Hornets could do it with Hayward + 2nd or something. His stats are awesome when he plays, like top 5 in league, and he's still young so he's worth a lot, honestly think a team should gamble on him No, the Pels already turned that down, lol. Scoot would be the starting point. They would want much, much more than that or they'll just keep him.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Sure, that seems fine and good but generally speaking when you don’t he’s power moves you want to be moved to a contender and not a team in basically the exact same situation your current team is in. Like if Zion is miserable in new Orleans is he really going to be happy in Charlotte? Where are you getting he's miserable because he's in NOLA from? He seems to have been miserable because he can't get and stay healthy enough to play basketball.
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Jun 19, 2023 14:12
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Scoot being as good as Zion is like a 95th percentile outcome for him. The odds of any draft pick become a top 10 player in the league is tiny (well, maybe not Lebron or Wemby). If Zion is genuinely available and it's not just smoke then at least one team is going to make the moves necessary to get him.
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I mean… sure. He can be an all nba player and teams can think he can be one again. That isn’t the end all be all for what his trade value is.
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