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Alchenar posted:I really don't think anyone in the US forces is in a position to talk about helicopters that actively try to kill their occupants. Why not? It's not like we don't have the experience.
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Alchenar posted:I really don't think anyone in the US forces is in a position to talk about silly helicopter designs that actively try to kill their occupants. In my previous life doing IT/data analysis about 8 or so years ago, I interviewed for a job at Bell in DFW metroplex. Having recently left active duty and flown on an Osprey to leave the ship, I joked about it not killing me. Needless to say, I did not land that job.
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Going back to that T55 loaded up with explosives, how badly hosed up are the guys in the trench after that thing went off?
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Cimber posted:Going back to that T55 loaded up with explosives, how badly hosed up are the guys in the trench after that thing went off? At least ruptured eardrums, maybe worse? Helps they were already in a trench
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Tuna-Fish posted:That would be hard. The big value add from Oryx is that he was really good at recognizing repeat photos of the same kills. This is important, because Russian channels are still being flooded with photos of Ukrainian tanks that were destroyed a year ago. If you haven't already seen 20 photos from different angles of each tank, and memorized them, you can't really do what he did. it was a community effort from quite a number of people. it's entirely repeatable. hell that's been the big issue with osint stuff not turning into the careers people seem to hope it will: govs that want the capacity are just like 'okay lets make a unit that does this, maybe hire someone good at it to consult for a training to get them started.' hell even the oryx list wasn't about someone memorizing everything so much as treating instances of battle damage and other markings as basically an indexable finger print.
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Looks like the VBIED failed the VIBE check
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pantslesswithwolves posted:That’s a shame. Guy did some really impressive OSINT work but I can totally see how it would wear one down after a while, let alone ten years of it. I hope his next endeavors make him happier. So I normally don’t do this sort of poo poo but it came across my Twitter feed so I checked it out. I make a point of not watching war porn or combat footage or any of that poo poo. Don’t wanna glorify it. Anyway I watched it and I feel literally nothing and idk what’s wrong with me b. Shouldn’t I be like horrified or something? Nah I was just like “yoooo that motherfucker got smoked hahaha gj Ukrainian spetsnaz dude” internally each time someone got banged out. And nothing else. I think I’ll run this by the therapist on Wednesday but I felt like sharing cause I’m just scratching my head. Minds aren’t supposed to be this nonchalant about witnessing death up close b, even if it’s on a screen. TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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I can only speak for myself, but after watching dozen of clips of similar footage from this war, yeah I can say I'm a little numb to watching people get got. Especially if they're Russians, for better of worse. I think for that particular video, the severity of the blurring makes it a little less "real". It might also be that I'm scarce of any sympathy for the Russians due to the amount of atrocities, war crimes, and otherwise monstrously inhuman poo poo being committed at all levels. I made the mistake of looking at the pictures of Bucha. That poo poo left a mark. Don't be afraid to take a break from the news. This is the most documented and recorded war and its taking a toll on us whether we realize it or not. Those who gaze long into the abyss, and all that. Action-Bastard fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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Quick stupid question, what does VBIED stand for
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cr0y posted:Quick stupid question, what does VBIED stand for Vehicle Based Improvised Explosive Device
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cr0y posted:Quick stupid question, what does VBIED stand for Vehicle borne improvised explosive device Edit: f,b
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cr0y posted:Quick stupid question, what does VBIED stand for Vehicle Borne Improvised Explosive Device
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Well is it based or borne? Now the three of you fight and settle this But thank you 😊
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Normally a Toyota
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Flikken posted:Normally a Toyota If we're getting into semantics, a Hilux
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TheWeedNumber posted:So I normally don’t do this sort of poo poo but it came across my Twitter feed so I checked it out. I make a point of not watching war porn or combat footage or any of that poo poo. Don’t wanna glorify it. In my personal experience, I used to think that I was able to witness the atrocities of the world and it would only strengthen my resolve to be better and do better for those around me that I was able. This notion was shattered during the ISIS poo poo when I saw cw: wanton violence a video of summary executions where they’d throw a guy up to another guy on a small dock with a pistol who would shoot them in the head and push them into the water. Just one after the other and I realized that no real amount of being a good person would be able to counteract that kind of depraved violence. At that point I stepped back from the whole thing and just passively took in what was happening at a macro level, knowing that I couldn’t handle being “in the know”. It wasn’t worth it for my mental health especially knowing I couldn’t do a goddamn thing to stop it. It’s easy to think that by witnessing the worst parts of humanity that you learn something or are using the experience to make a better world. At the end of the day you’re just exposing yourself to the kind of poo poo that PTSD was defined for. Whatever feelings you have toward it are valid, but if you find yourself being introspective about it, it’s probably a good idea to step back and just choose not to watch it anymore. Anyway. I’ll have a large frosty and a 10 piece spicy nuggets.
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mikerock posted:If we're getting into semantics, a Hilux Well, only if you want to get technical.
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That video makes trench warfare look like a continuous quickdraw competition happening in a maze
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Action-Bastard posted:I can only speak for myself, but after watching dozen of clips of similar footage from this war, yeah I can say I'm a little numb to watching people get got. Especially if they're Russians, for better of worse. Ok so maybe that particular video had blurring but the one I saw was not blurred at all. I straight up clearly saw what was happening. And the reason it stuck out to me is I just do not have that exposure to this footage. Have I seen some wild poo poo in the past? Absolutely. Field med pretty much played a snuff film for us to a perfect circle’s counting body like sheep. It was that classic live leak clip of some RPG gunner getting ripped up in an Iraqi street. I’ve seen other combat footage years ago, not seeking it out but like the odd video or two that hit my desk which was pretty much this tier of close quarters violence. And of course there was that genocide class I took in 2018. The ghosts of Rwanda documentary alone has a part that’ll gently caress you up because they show footage of a checkpoint far off in which the genocidaires machete down someone in broad daylight, all in that grainy 90s camcorder footage What I wanted to clarify is I have not been intaking a steady diet of this at all, for many many years. And I still felt the need to post after seeing this one because it just didn’t land. I watched it dispassionately, no bloodlust, just “oh wow this dude got loving wasted” x3-4-however many dudes bought it on film in that trench. And that worried me. I may have had some training but I never went forward so why am I able to smoke a cigarette and sip my drink like I’m at the AMC theatre and this poo poo ain’t no thang? Anyway thanks for hearing me out. I’ll do my best to stay away from this poo poo like I planned on anyway. When I need to stare into the abyss I’ll do it for research purposes. But rn I don’t have that need. Don’t need to gently caress with my mind anymore than it already is hosed. TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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TK-42-1 posted:In my personal experience, I used to think that I was able to witness the atrocities of the world and it would only strengthen my resolve to be better and do better for those around me that I was able. This notion was shattered during the ISIS poo poo when I saw cw: wanton violence a video of summary executions where they’d throw a guy up to another guy on a small dock with a pistol who would shoot them in the head and push them into the water. Just one after the other and I realized that no real amount of being a good person would be able to counteract that kind of depraved violence. At that point I stepped back from the whole thing and just passively took in what was happening at a macro level, knowing that I couldn’t handle being “in the know”. It wasn’t worth it for my mental health especially knowing I couldn’t do a goddamn thing to stop it. Wanted to acknowledge and appreciate this post as well.
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TK-42-1 posted:In my personal experience, I used to think that I was able to witness the atrocities of the world and it would only strengthen my resolve to be better and do better for those around me that I was able. This notion was shattered during the ISIS poo poo when I saw cw: wanton violence a video of summary executions where they’d throw a guy up to another guy on a small dock with a pistol who would shoot them in the head and push them into the water. Just one after the other and I realized that no real amount of being a good person would be able to counteract that kind of depraved violence. At that point I stepped back from the whole thing and just passively took in what was happening at a macro level, knowing that I couldn’t handle being “in the know”. It wasn’t worth it for my mental health especially knowing I couldn’t do a goddamn thing to stop it. yeah groups actually make and release that stuff specifically because they understand the effect that seeing it has on people. the only winning move is not to play. It doesn't even really matter if you are or aren't immediately effected by it, it all robs you of a bit of your humanity and eventually the 'why am I not affected' should be as unsettling as being affected. That said, not being immediately affected is not the same thing as not being affected and exposure to the horrors of humanity both accumulates and catches up to you later. I'm no psychologist, but I think some people are just traumatizing themselves and not even giving themselves a break long enough for the post part to catch up to them because they're still actively re-exposing themselves to traumatic material. Thankfully the stuff coming out of Ukraine almost entirely is not on the same level as the ISIS poo poo, but it's kind of made up for by the sheer volume of it and if people aren't very careful it's easy to end up seeing a bunch of stuff no one needs to see. personally I go out of my way to see as little of the horror as possible, and while idc what other people do because it truly and thankfully isn't my business, I do think it is extremely prudent to avoid exposure to that stuff because no one is actually immune to it. personally I really appreciate that content warnings have become widespread
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btw while i extremely do not suggest clicking weird war videos unless there's actually something concrete to be learned from it and probably still not even then, a few small but significant things 1) don't click the poo poo slathered in content warnings. just don't 2) open war stuff in small windows, eg dont be fullscreening it 3) open it with the sound off (this is a surprisingly big one) 4) physically cover anything hosed up with your hand or whatever. 1 is obviously the best thing you can do, but 2 3 and 4 will significantly blunt the impact of stuff.
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Unless you've got a legitimate professional need to be looking at that stuff, and some sort of support system to help you deal with it, I really don't think there's any point watching videos like that. That's not a moral judgement, rather a practical one. Whether it seems like it or not at the time that poo poo is all just damage accruing with no positive trade-off.
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Dandywalken posted:
nyet is NSV hmg for tail gunner
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Yeah my brain is warped by seeing enough of it over time that I can just callously see people get smoked and its not a twinge anymore, enough seeing people die and your brain just disconnects the empathy centers for self preservation. I don't recommend it. I don't seek it out but the damage is done already. Amusingly enough I'm a very empathetic person in day to day its just combat footage makes me go clinical detachment mode. If you can avoid combat footage do so, its not really a good thing for people to watch.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Unless you've got a legitimate professional need to be looking at that stuff, and some sort of support system to help you deal with it, I really don't think there's any point watching videos like that. That's not a moral judgement, rather a practical one. Whether it seems like it or not at the time that poo poo is all just damage accruing with no positive trade-off.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:Vehicle Borne Improvised Explosive Device Very Big Improvised Explosive Device?
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Frank Dillinger posted:Very Big Improvised Explosive Device? The VBIED that killed CPT Humayun Khan (and several dozen Iraqis) at the front gate of FOB Warhorse was a taxi with around 1.5 tons of explosives in it. The crater was roughly chest-deep. I saw the slides being prepped in the TOC about the aftermath; someone's face (we suspected the bomber's, but never found out) was blown off and over the 15 foot concrete barriers, and was found by an E-5 right next to the clearing barrels. I vividly remember two pictures- one of someone holding it in hands like a cheap Halloween mask, and the other in a plastic bowl with ice in it for some reason. Yes, I said his face, not his head.
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I know doctors, nurses, and EMT's who work in Emergency medicine and first response that have developed similar calluses to horrible injuries, with a mix of those deliberately done during assaults and sexual abuse as well as those from stuff like car crashes and workplace incidents. I'm no expert but that numbing definitely appears to be a feature of the human psyche to protect itself from the horror of it all. I've heard it described as a cup that fills up over time as you're exposed to it, and if you let it overflow then you're basically done, whether that just is career burnout, a lasting psychological break/trauma, or all of the above. The size of everyone's cup is different, and the only thing that empties it out is quality time away from it all and professional help. It's only an analogy of course but it's one that a veteran friend of mine who served in Afghanistan told me about that he had heard from his therapist that seemed useful. Up there as one of the most horrific footage I've seen was an hour long   documentary on YouTube called Memory of The Camps from PBS, stitched together from footage made as the Nazi concentration camps were being liberated by the Allies. I don't regret watching it but it's not for the faint of heart. Something about it hit harder than the war footage and other horrific content out there that I do regret having seen.
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Mederlock posted:I know doctors, nurses, and EMT's who work in Emergency medicine and first response that have developed similar calluses to horrible injuries It's a bit to do with when you comprehend that it is not a person anymore, but a body. It's the poo poo that happens in the lead up, when you comprehend it that fucks you up. When you comprehend how a human body is put together, with experience, helps with dealing with nasty injuries etc.
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GD_American posted:That video makes trench warfare look like a continuous quickdraw competition happening in a maze Not inaccurate.
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Cimber posted:Going back to that T55 loaded up with explosives, how badly hosed up are the guys in the trench after that thing went off? The artillery officer in the C-spam thread summarized it as the ones in the trench might be alive but it depends on a bunch of factors that one can estimate and guess, anyone popped over the sides to look is dead. Nobody in the trench had a good time.
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Zudgemud posted:The artillery officer in the C-spam thread summarized it as the ones in the trench might be alive but it depends on a bunch of factors that one can estimate and guess, anyone popped over the sides to look is dead. Nobody in the trench had a good time. It was a big bang but I'm extremely sceptical of anyone who claims to be able to say people did or didn't die from that video. Also, importantly, artillery officers are mostly idiots, and that explosion is very much not an artillery strike. Something that makes the explosion look particularly impressive is the visible shockwave, and that visibility is affected a lot by atmospherics.
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Survivability is largely a function of the standoff distance from the blast. Overpressure can kill the poo poo out of you even if you're behind cover; however if they were below ground then they're likely "fine", as the pressure wave would have largely missed them. When I say fine, I mean only deaf and probably with a significant TBI.
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psydude posted:When I say fine, I mean only deaf and probably with a significant TBI. Sounds like an artillery officer all right.
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Zudgemud posted:The artillery officer in the C-spam thread summarized it as the ones in the trench might be alive but it depends on a bunch of factors that one can estimate and guess, anyone popped over the sides to look is dead. Nobody in the trench had a good time. You really shouldn't use that particular poster as an authority figure. On any subject matter.
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While the Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma mostly focuses on those who write the news than those who consume it, they have guides like this one for managing stress and trauma on investigative projects (read: being exposed to horrible things either in-person or by photos/videos, etc.) Given the lack of filtering on social media, I would suggest it’s still relevant to those who are following this conflict, same as it was for those who followed Syria/Iraq in the mid-late 2010s. https://dartcenter.org/content/staying-sane-managing-stress-and-trauma-on-investigative-projects Speaking as someone who used to have to watch ISIS’s videos as a part of the job I held at the time, this stuff can really impact you even if you’re otherwise psychologically resilient. Take care of yourself, and sometimes that also includes just saying “nah, I don’t need to see this.”
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