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Matinee posted:Ive just realised the possibility that some kind of failsafe worked and they were able to surface but now they're just sat there bobbing along without communications and nobody knows where the gently caress they are but they're going to suffocate anyway because there's no way to open the door from the inside. Yeah, if they've drifted from the sub tender's immediate vicinity, locating the surfaced sub isn't going to be easy. It doesn't appear to be painted in any kind of highly contrasting colour, it's quite small and it sits very low in the water so spotting it from the air isn't going to be terribly easy, doubly so in any kind of waves. If they lost control and surfaced ~somewhere~ then they have already drifted quite a long way away from some unknown starting position, and will keep drifting further away every moment. Even if they had search and rescue boats immediately ready in the area, that feels like a daunting task, and considering this is a libertarian captain of industry, I don't know if I'd bet on those being anywhere in the area. How much oxygen do they have again?
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would like to take a moment to remind everyone that over 300 pakistani migrants died when their boat capsized off the coast of greece last week i wonder which incident is getting more airtime
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Okay, yesterday I posted how I didn't know if the sub had its own way of surfacing without the platform thing. First it didn't look like it really had any kind of ballast tanks it could blow with pressurized air. It had some kind of tank on the outside, but that looked too small for this purpose. Second, and more relevantly, they had ballast weights on the outside, which can often be released to allow them to surface, but these were like resting on fixed hooks and the skids on the bottom of the sub. I thought there was no chance these were intended to be removed for deballasting because it would involve the crew desperately rocking the sub around trying to get them off, which seems deeply stupid. It turns out they did the deeply stupid thing lol.
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So many possibilities of horrible fates, it would be better in the old X-COM timeline and the passengers were abducted by underwater aliens for experimentation.
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Blow posted:Can a mod change the thread title to Submersible on expedition to Titanic missing please? My bad 🫤
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Jun 20, 2023 13:57
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Real gamers don't use that Logitech piece of poo poo controller to operate their submersibles. If they used the pride of 2001, they would've been fine: 
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ELTON JOHN posted:would like to take a moment to remind everyone that over 300 pakistani migrants died when their boat capsized off the coast of greece last week I saw this being referred to on social media but no one was posting links to the story so thanks.  I don’t understand the technical parts but I do watch the Nautilus ROV dives live. When they send the main ROV down there’s a second one that “hovers” above it to assist with positioning/movement and has its own camera. The whole thing is attached by a big cable to the ship. I have no idea how feasible that is irl with deep-diving subs with humans in it.
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Let's say they do have some ballast situation going on. I feel like they would have issues from ascending too quickly because I doubt it would have any way to slow it down. So if they don't die from an implosion, lack of oxygen, or freezing to death they would definitely die from the bends.
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By popular demand posted:I got the impression that they failed the 4k and then decided that certification is for losers let's go 6k!  but grover stairs
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Jun 20, 2023 14:05
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ELTON JOHN posted:would like to take a moment to remind everyone that over 300 pakistani migrants died when their boat capsized off the coast of greece last week I have heard of this a few times but I didn't find it nearly as funny or ironic as an idiot billionaire in a poo poo submersible drowning next to the Titanic.
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Death By SnuSnu posted:Let's say they do have some ballast situation going on. I feel like they would have issues from ascending too quickly because I doubt it would have any way to slow it down. So if they don't die from an implosion, lack of oxygen, or freezing to death they would definitely die from the bends.
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Death By SnuSnu posted:Let's say they do have some ballast situation going on. I feel like they would have issues from ascending too quickly because I doubt it would have any way to slow it down. So if they don't die from an implosion, lack of oxygen, or freezing to death they would definitely die from the bends. Since you arent directly exposed to the ocean pressure, the bends wouldn't be a problem I don't think. wilderthanmild fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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stealie72 posted:They're in a pressure vessel, they won't get the bends. Ah ok. I wasn't quite sure how that worked
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Orcas did this.
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 When experts are saying there's "some hope" that a rescue vessel could even reach the depths the sub is expected to be trapped in (before they can even start attempting to rescue it, even if they can find it it), it's not looking too hot, is it?
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Death By SnuSnu posted:...they would definitely die from the bends. Would they though? Assumable they have a way of controlling how much pressure is in the subs cabin, so even if the rise up quickly you think they would be able to depressurize the cabin slower, or just have them all exit directly into a decompression chamber or what not (although with the their exit being bolted on that seems like it might be a bit of a logistical problem).
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Death By SnuSnu posted:Ah ok. I wasn't quite sure how that worked You can't have a non-pressure vessel at those depths, you'd be compressed into meat paste. Even if you could survive at those depths, depressurization would take who knows how long.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:You can't have a non-pressure vessel at those depths, you'd be compressed into meat paste. Even if you could survive at those depths, depressurization would take who knows how long. Well if you've got enough chutzpah and a can-do attitude, depressurization can be done in milliseconds!
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stealie72 posted:They're in a pressure vessel, they won't get the bends. ^^^
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:
Yeah likely there isn't an rov they can get there quickly. I think there are only a few that are rated for that depth on the first place.
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BBC reporting they've been doing radar searches and the Coast Guard is moving their search to deep waters now and there are sonar ships coming to the scene. Sounds like the searchers have pretty much given up on the theory that it's surfaced.UCS Hellmaker posted:Yeah likely there isn't an rov they can get there quickly. I think there are only a few that are rated for that depth on the first place. Yeah, that's one of the very scary things about poo poo like this. The oceans are HUGE, undersea rescue ships aren't plentiful, and they move around fairly slowly, so unless you get super lucky and get trapped close to where one happens to be, it might not be mathematically possible to get one to the location in time before everyone dies from not having any air to breathe. I was listening to a podcast about submarine rescues a few weeks ago and it doesn't sound amazing. The gist was that "yeah we can theoretically rescue people from subs underwater but only in very limited cases because most times the subs are too deep for rescue ships, or too far from any that could get there in time". Also an expert on BBC just said that the tender lost contact with the sub "about 2/3 of the way" on the descent which sounds incredibly ominous, especially because 2/3 of 6km is 4km, which is the depth their subs were failing at previously. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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Most excellent thread title change.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Well if you've got enough chutzpah and a can-do attitude, depressurization can be done in milliseconds!
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Fansy posted:David wife beater Pogue helped lay the trap holy poo poo the details quote:Tech writer David Pogue, wife, charged in Westport dispute
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:it's not looking too hot, is it? 
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Blow posted:Can a mod change the thread title to Submersible on expedition to Titanic missing please? 20,000 Leaks under the Sea.
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Even if by some miracle they manage to find the submersible intact on the ocean floor, good luck trying to recover it from there. Also finding a bottomed out submersible of that size is very difficult even with modern side scanning sonars.
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GD_American posted:holy poo poo the details ive heard of method acting but method journalism? goddamn
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ThinkTank posted:I would not go to the bottom of the ocean on the submarine that the certification agencies thought was unsafe, personally. This is why you'll never be a billionaire.
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This is just my opinion but I think whatever happens the people on that vessel deserve a refund.
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Commander Jebus posted:Even if by some miracle they manage to find the submersible intact on the ocean floor, good luck trying to recover it from there. Yeah, basically their best scenario at this point is they were instantly killed when the pressure vessel failed. Every other scenario is a nightmare.
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Commander Jebus posted:Even if by some miracle they manage to find the submersible intact on the ocean floor, good luck trying to recover it from there. Even if they find it on the seafloor, the thing doesn't have hatches of any sort that a rescue vehicle could lock on to. They'd have to haul the entire sub to the surface
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Lmao the nearest other ship is there to lay pipe. This is the funniest poo poo to happen in ages. Thank you idiot submersible dude for bringing the most bountiful of lols.
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Commander Jebus posted:Even if by some miracle they manage to find the submersible intact on the ocean floor, good luck trying to recover it from there. A billionaire's life is at stake here, man. We have to at least try.
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How long has it actually been now. And they have 96hrs?
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quote:The Pogues are the parents of three children do they all share them or what
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wilderthanmild posted:Yeah, basically their best scenario at this point is they were instantly killed when the pressure vessel failed. Every other scenario is a nightmare. Oh for sure. For us in military subs only like less than 5 % of the world's oceans was in recoverable waters, which I didn't mind so much at the time because in any other scenario it would be quick. We had rescue stores, rations, and a USN certified docking and escape tower and I still didn't like our odds of being rescued.
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Wee posted:How long has it actually been now. The Coast Guard estimates I saw were saying that they have until Friday morning at the absolute latest. Likely they have even less air than that, but Friday is when they can officially classify them as dead.
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