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Judge Schnoopy posted:I dunno, did they? Got any links or stories to discuss or are we just shouting into the void Sorry: not a thread regular so I should have lurked more. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/hunter-biden-plea-deal-income-tax-case-gun-charges-rcna90144 I'm sure Trump will cry foul that Trump is being treated less justly, but I somehow don't think many voters will remember this come next November. If anything, Democrats can (correctly) describe it as justice applying to everyone, including the children of Presidents.
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Yeah the right wing are already complaining that its a wrist-slap and a sweetheart deal. Maybe it is, but I've also been hearing that you typically don't even get charged for this poo poo, so they're actually going harder on Biden than normal.
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Ynglaur posted:Sorry: not a thread regular so I should have lurked more. Kevin McCarthy has determined: - Plea deals are bad now. - Why didn't Trump get a sweetheart plea deal? They should offer him a plea deal. - Actually, Trump is totally innocent, so he shouldn't have gotten a plea deal anyway because plea deals are for bad people. https://twitter.com/SpeakerMcCarthy/status/1671201936182243328
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ryde posted:Yeah the right wing are already complaining that its a wrist-slap and a sweetheart deal. Maybe it is, but I've also been hearing that you typically don't even get charged for this poo poo, so they're actually going harder on Biden than normal. They were originally considering charging him with tax evasion, which they generally do prosecute, but pled down to misdemeanor failure to pay charges (which are not generally prosecuted when they have paid back the taxes owed, but they are here as part of a plea). His gun charge (he lied on a form when he purchased his gun by saying he had never used any illegal drugs) is still going to be prosecuted, but he will likely get a diversion/probation sentence and basically just have to not get arrested or possess a gun for the next 5 years or so.
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Jun 20, 2023 18:56
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:His gun charge (he lied on a form when he purchased his gun by saying he had never used any illegal drugs) is still going to be prosecuted, but he will likely get a diversion/probation sentence and basically just have to not get arrested or possess a gun for the next 5 years or so. Hunter's lawyers were making noise about "well why don't we see what the Supreme Court thinks about the law that says 'if you smoke weed you can't have a gun'?", which probably explains another reason the government isn't super aggressive about prosecuting it here, I know a lot of people don't think that law survives the current court very much longer
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Jun 20, 2023 19:03
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Link John Eastman disarmament hearing, for anyone who wants a laugh.
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Jun 20, 2023 19:18
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Caros posted:Link Why did they allow him to come to his disbarment hearing with military-grade weapons and only just now attempt disarmament?
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Jun 20, 2023 19:26
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No no, his punishment is that he is to lose his arms.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Why did they allow him to come to his disbarment hearing with military-grade weapons and only just now attempt disarmament? ... Goddamnit autocorrect. I will attempt to salvage my cred by pointing out that the judge showed up with a 7-11 big gulp, which is about the funniest thing I can imagine a judge bringing into a disbarment hearing. Edit: Peter Navarro was withdrawn as a witness, probably because he had his own contempt hearing tomorrow and doesn't want to do a cross continental flight. Which, lawl. Caros fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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Caros posted:... Goddamnit autocorrect. Well a bag of popcorn would have been too obvious.
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California state courts are apparently extremely lax. You aren't even allowed to bring in an outside bottle of liquid into the courtrooms around here.
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Jun 20, 2023 19:42
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:California state courts are apparently extremely lax. You misunderstand, YOU'RE not allowed to bring in an outside bottle of liquid. The judge, on the other hand...
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Disbarment, disarmament, dismemberment, make up your dang minds!
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Randalor posted:You misunderstand, YOU'RE not allowed to bring in an outside bottle of liquid. The judge, on the other hand... The judges aren't either. We had one get in trouble with the Chief Judge for bringing in a soda can to the courtroom and the court sent out notices to the private bar, PD's office, and AG's office reminding everyone that you are only to use the jugs of water and glasses provided in the courtroom for drinking.
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Tayter Swift posted:Disbarment, disarmament, dismemberment, make up your dang minds! All of the above.
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Trump goes on TV to discuss his legal case and rehearses an impressive amount of contradictory excuses in just under 2 minutes. - "I never had those documents." - "I already mentally declassified them when I was President." - "If they were really still classified, then why did I have them? That would be illegal." - "Actually, I did have those documents. But, they were mine to take." - "I don't know if there were documents there or not. I think they were just magazines and newspapers and any documents were planted." - "There never were any documents and they are just persecuting me for totally made up stuff." - "Yeah, I did have some. But, Biden and Pence had way more. Why aren't they are in jail? It's all persecution of me." https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1670919463837769729
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump goes on TV to discuss his legal case and rehearses an impressive amount of contradictory excuses in just under 2 minutes. Jesus, what a mess. Is there a world where throwing all this spaghetti at the wall helps him? Like legally.
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Jun 20, 2023 20:18
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Old Surly posted:Jesus, what a mess. Is there a world where throwing all this spaghetti at the wall helps him? Like legally. Maybe if you're going for an incompetency defense under an "incapable of understanding his case or communicating effectively with counsel" defense, but . . . no, not even then.
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Old Surly posted:Jesus, what a mess. Is there a world where throwing all this spaghetti at the wall helps him? Like legally. they're admissions of a party-opponent (you can google this phrase if you want to know more about hearsay rules but really no one should), making it quite possible the government could literally play some of these tapes to a jury to show his knowledge of the documents. you might reasonably argue that these statements can only hurt him in the past, trump has sometimes used public statements to influence witnesses and try to help coordinate people's stories (which, to be clear, he is not allowed to do) to varying degrees of success, but here it's so disjointed and confused it's hard to imagine it has any value to him
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You can make arguments in the alternative, but maybe not like this
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eke out posted:they're admissions of a party-opponent (you can google this phrase if you want to know more about hearsay rules but really no one should), making it quite possible the government could literally play some of these tapes to a jury to show his knowledge of the documents. you might reasonably argue that these statements can only hurt him I can't imagine a world where the state being able to play 'if I had them and they were still classified that would be illegal' would be helpful. Honestly it feels like he's just sort of stuck. His whole life he has been able to bluster out of things, but the court doesn't really *do* bluster as a legal defense.
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Caros posted:I can't imagine a world where the state being able to play 'if I had them and they were still classified that would be illegal' would be helpful. shrug he says he had them and he knew he had them and he was very busy and just didn't have time to remove his documents from the boxes at this point the DOJ may well have so much evidence it's not worth bothering with this kind of poo poo but that's more due to the unique nature of how much trump hosed this. even chud losers like Turley were like "oh...." https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1670916110164668418 eke out fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 20, 2023 |
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Jun 20, 2023 20:37
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Caros posted:Link This link is dead. I imagine they're at lunch at the moment but is there an official one?
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Caros posted:I can't imagine a world where the state being able to play 'if I had them and they were still classified that would be illegal' would be helpful. Well technically the courts (at least civil courts) do count "bluster" as a legal defense if you know you can drag it out longer than the other person has pockets deep enough to afford. It's just when the DOJ brings a case it a) knows all the tricks to running out the clock and how to counter them and b) has deeper pockets than anyone.
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Jun 20, 2023 20:59
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Caros posted:I can't imagine a world where the state being able to play 'if I had them and they were still classified that would be illegal' would be helpful. At this point I'm genuinely wondering if he has the long covid brain fog.
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Caros posted:I can't imagine a world where the state being able to play 'if I had them and they were still classified that would be illegal' would be helpful. He is so used to civil court where you can infact bluster and delay nearly infinitely until the other side decides to settle, this... is not a civil case.
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Simplex posted:At this point I'm genuinely wondering if he has the long covid brain fog. I mean, you don't really need that. The guy is just old.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I mean, you don't really need that. The guy is just old. And loving dumb as poo poo
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Old Surly posted:Jesus, what a mess. Is there a world where throwing all this spaghetti at the wall helps him? Like legally. In a vacuum, all this spaghetti might confuse a jury, but courtrooms are generally carefully managed to prevent a defendant from just spouting off whatever nonsense they want as much as they want. And he's already spouted every one of these excuses at various points anyway, so it isn't even giving any new ammo to prosecutors, who'd probably rather build the case on his actions rather than his words. Generally speaking, I wouldn't expect his TV appearances to have any real impact on the case at this point. It's pure catering to the base, no one else cares.
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Simplex posted:At this point I'm genuinely wondering if he has the long covid brain fog. He's doing what he's always done. Spew all sorts of poo poo and let the listener pick whatever version he likes best. It's been rather effective most of his life. He's not very smart, so he's just cranking up the volume to 11 because it's all he knows how to do. Don't give him an out by chalking it up to senility or old age or whatever. This is who Donald Trump is and always has been.
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ryde posted:Maybe it is, but I've also been hearing that you typically don't even get charged for this poo poo, so they're actually going harder on Biden than normal. And at the same time it turns out the head of the DOJ was not actually slow walking a bunch of trump crime investigation but openly running interference for him and going out of their way to avoid prosecuting him, letting him get away with far more serious crimes until he basically forced their hand. Gee, its almost is of our institutions have been thoroughly corrupted! https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/garland-doj-resisted-investigating-trump-january-6 The conservatives are right in that our system has a blatantly partisan tilt, but like most things they are "right" about they are actually upset because its not worse.
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eke out posted:chud losers like Turley
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GlyphGryph posted:And at the same time it turns out the head of the DOJ was not actually slow walking a bunch of trump crime investigation but openly running interference for him and going out of their way to avoid prosecuting him, letting him get away with far more serious crimes until he basically forced their hand. Gee, its almost is of our institutions have been thoroughly corrupted! Lots of people on these forums expected that they were slow-walking things for decorum reasons. Good that we have confirmation, bad that this is yet another confirmation of the two-tiered justice system in this country.
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Old Surly posted:Jesus, what a mess. Is there a world where throwing all this spaghetti at the wall helps him? Like legally. It’s like watching a Roomba stuck in a corner, just banging away
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ryde posted:Lots of people on these forums expected that they were slow-walking things for decorum reasons. Good that we have confirmation, bad that this is yet another confirmation of the two-tiered justice system in this country. It reminds me a bit of the whole IRS debacle, where they were already favouring conservative groups and then the conservatives got mad and the Obama admin caved and made it formal policy to favour conservative groups even more.
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GlyphGryph posted:It reminds me a bit of the whole IRS debacle, where they were already favouring conservative groups and then the conservatives got mad and the Obama admin caved and made it formal policy to favour conservative groups even more. I seem to remember it was giving extra scrutiny to organizations complaining about taxes. Which, loving duh, yes give those loving more scrutiny please. And of course he apologized for it, so its now forever a "legitimate scandal" even though the IRS did nothing wrong.
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Deteriorata posted:He's doing what he's always done. Spew all sorts of poo poo and let the listener pick whatever version he likes best. It's been rather effective most of his life. While that's largely true, something like his debate performance was a new low even for him, and that's what this interview reminds me of with how incoherent he is. He's always been bad with complex thoughts, but here he's not even able to communicate simple thoughts and is arguing with himself at times.
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Simplex posted:While that's largely true, something like his debate performance was a new low even for him, and that's what this interview reminds me of with how incoherent he is. He's always been bad with complex thoughts, but here he's not even able to communicate simple thoughts and is arguing with himself at times. He's stressed out and desperate. The bullshit isn't working and he doesn't know what else to do other than do it more. It's that simple.
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Deteriorata posted:He's stressed out and desperate. The bullshit isn't working and he doesn't know what else to do other than do it more. It's that simple. Yeah he's absolutely lost in the weeds of his legal trouble. He's not even listening to the questions being asked, he hears a key phrase and loads up an auto-reply meme. At this point the key phrases overlap by a lot and he just flat delivers the wrong response for the question, and has no idea he's off -base. Looks like throwing 6 cases at him at once was the winning strategy, even if it took extremely loving long to get here.
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