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new theme, based on one of the best typos i've seen: clan hello horse goal: to suddenly and without warning charge up close and say hello!!! - speed and short-range firepower are key Grendel G (or C to save BV) Griffin IIC 2 or 3 Phantom B or C Locust IIC 2 and then a Thunder Stallion to round it our because this star needs more horse
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biosterous posted:new theme, based on one of the best typos i've seen: clan hello horse The Thunder Stallion 2 "Fire Stallion" is actually really good if you can spare a few hundred more BV. Also if you want MORE HORSE look up the Balius, which as a fast quad you can do silly things with going prone. You can go prone for 1 MP which reduces the height of the 'mech to 1 level so you can hide from some enemies behind a level 1 hill while still being able to see your intended target. If terrain isn't favorable you can use it to get an extra +1 for enemies to hit with ranged attacks, but be careful to not let them get up next to you because then the penalty becomes a bonus. Normally going prone isn't usually a winning move with biped 'mechs, but quads get some nice bonuses. You can't torso twist while prone but quads can't torso twist anyway. Quads can also fire while prone with no penalty, and they can get back up without a piloting roll, unlike bipeds. And as usual you can select what facing the 'mech is in after it gets up, which means that there is no extra cost if you wanted to make a wide turn on the next turn anyway. Any quad can benefit from those things (for instance, put a Fire Stallion prone in heavy woods to snipe at long range with the large pulse lasers and LRMs, if you can't find a spot with partial cover) but fast quads can do some really unexpected maneuvering in a close range fight.
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So as an outsider with a barely-functional understanding of the setting and the franchise as a whole, how come we haven't gotten live-action Battletech movies/shows yet? Like, 'Pacific Rim' loving kicked rear end and made good money, you'd think a setting with 40 years of backstory, a diverse array of factions, and literally 600 mechs to choose from would lend itself to some kind of live action movie with big stompy robots blowing each other up. It's my understanding that there's a lot of novels and fiction and stuff for Battletech, I can only assume that means actual self-contained narratives with characters can be told in the setting which is pretty much the only prerequisite for a movie other than throwing a big CGI budget at it so you can have big robots doing big robot things. Is it like Warhammer40k where the rights holder was only willing to play ball on live-action stuff very recently?
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Jun 21, 2023 00:13
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The IP has always been a fragmented clusterfuck, at one time Eisner's post-Disney company had the rights but no clue from there. RPG IPs are not anywhere near as attractive as comic book IPs.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:18
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Probably didn't help that the most iconic designs were lifted and repurposed from animes and famously tangled in an IP cluster heck.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:32
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Owlbear Camus posted:Probably didn't help that the most iconic designs were lifted and repurposed from animes and famously tangled in an IP cluster heck.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:36
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Not that many people really care about giant robot stuff, especially giant robot stuff that’s not anime. The video games have been the IP’s biggest draw by far.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:41
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Xenomrph posted:So as an outsider with a barely-functional understanding of the setting and the franchise as a whole, how come we haven't gotten live-action Battletech movies/shows yet? Pacific Rim made money, Pacific Rim 2 proved that was a fluke. If the series had continued to make hits and they were on the fifth one, then maybe. But usually the genre makes flops.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:42
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Xenomrph posted:That doesn't include the Mad Cat (aka the One True Mech), does it? Not the Mad Cat, no. There were some Clan 'Mechs that got caught up in the mess, but all of the first wave Clan Invasion OmniMechs were original (IIRC)
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Jun 21, 2023 00:48
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BattleTech would really lend itself more to a prestige TV show, so it could be a slow burn with a big robot fight at the end.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:49
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It could absolutely be the sci-fi Game of Thrones but the problem is funding it sufficiently, and getting the tone right. As far as I know, BT doesn't have a billionaire fan like The Expanse did.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:50
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BattleMaster posted:Good Quadpost Quads also end up being excellent platforms for equipment that's normally risky (increased chance of falling) to bring on a biped, such as Small Cockpits, Hardened Armor, and Heavy Gauss Rifles.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:54
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Defiance Industries posted:Pacific Rim made money, Pacific Rim 2 proved that was a fluke. If the series had continued to make hits and they were on the fifth one, then maybe. But usually the genre makes flops. To be fair, Pacific Rim was well made and had other quality things propping it up in addition to the robot/monster fights, while the sequel didn’t have that. Also Wikipedia tells me that PR2 made decent money, it wasn’t a flop. It was just a bomb with critics.
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"makes decent money" is the same thing as a flop to studios. BDT has had problems getting projects funded since then. It's just not a genre that Hollywood likes, and BT checks all the wrong boxes to boot. Far-future sci-fi with no aliens and giant expensive-to-animate robots.
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Jun 21, 2023 01:00
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Pacific Rim was a domestic flop and Battletech is absolutely an American (and weird German) appeal kinda thing.
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Jun 21, 2023 01:00
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That’s a shame, I guess I’ll have to stick to videogames and the wonders of ~my imagination~. 
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PoptartsNinja posted:BattleTech would really lend itself more to a prestige TV show, so it could be a slow burn with a big robot fight at the end. So canceled after 3 seasons? 
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Yeah, Battletech would lend itself far better to a series as opposed to a movie. There's a lot of political intrigue in the settling you'd have to skim over if you shortened a story to movie length, and the number of stories you could tell in a movie format would be very restricted for the setting. The best you might be able to do for a Battletech movie is a Top Gun or Iron Eagle-esque 'Bunch of misfits with little in common have to do a Very Dangerous Mission after a lengthy training montage' plot, since you'd have no time for a Proper War Story on the scale Battletech usually goes for.
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PoptartsNinja posted:BattleTech would really lend itself more to a prestige TV show, so it could be a slow burn with a big robot fight at the end. Something like Roughneck Chronicles would be good. Follow one company as they went through the War of 3039 or Operation Bulldog.
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Jun 21, 2023 01:20
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Wheras with a prestige show, you could have a group of down-on-their-luck mercenaries called in to handle some weaponized local factional politics; but is the person who hired them really trustworthy? no
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Finally managed to eke out a win just barely, after quite the string of losses... and did it with a meme lance of 3 Crabs and a King Crab. Even managed to keep all four mechs alive (though not intact) somehow. Lesson to self, use more joke lists, I guess? Usually I'm just getting stomped into the ground without a chance with other lists.
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BattleMaster posted:Also if you want MORE HORSE look up the Balius  Balius B is both very hello and very horse, an excellent addition to the company
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Jun 21, 2023 02:13
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Ah good, you found the best one
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Xenomrph posted:So as an outsider with a barely-functional understanding of the setting and the franchise as a whole, how come we haven't gotten live-action Battletech movies/shows yet? The rights are a mess. Topps (who are owned by some other megacorp) owns the IP for Books and tabletop stuff, Microsoft owns the rights for all video game and some other random corporation owns the film/animation rights. Every time someone thinks about making a BT show or movie they take one look at the IP situation and run the gently caress away.
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Live action remake of the cartoon, but keep the original CGI
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SkyeAuroline posted:Finally managed to eke out a win just barely, after quite the string of losses... and did it with a meme lance of 3 Crabs and a King Crab. Even managed to keep all four mechs alive (though not intact) somehow. Lesson to self, use more joke lists, I guess? Usually I'm just getting stomped into the ground without a chance with other lists. Probably the most important thing you can do to "get good" at Battletech is just learn the probability curve of 2d6. It'll help you so much in deciding where to move and what shots to take. The dice can always betray you, but on average you're best off trusting that curve. Regarding adaptations: I actually think the way to do a Battletech adaptation would be to focus on on a mech as a character. Do a proper short film, like a 10 minute or under piece, about a mech changing hands down the centuries. Get everyone to say "oh man we want a full length version of this" and then try to make that happen.
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Battletech could be like legend of the galactic heroes? Or maybe even bang on game of thrones with big houses doing lots of intrigue with noble knights getting to kill loads of PBI. The Dothraki actually invade but get completely owned because they have terrible tactics
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Not the Mad Cat, no. There were some Clan 'Mechs that got caught up in the mess, but all of the first wave Clan Invasion OmniMechs were original (IIRC)
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I ordered some prizes for my wacky grinder game. Every player gets a miniature but the winners have the first pick. It’s all metal models apart from two salvage boxes. Apart from the blind boxes, I went with models I think no one’s going to already have (for example, the IWM models of the current designs of Commando and Wolvrine) and then decided to grab some ”weird” mechs or variants I’ve yet to see on the table - or in any of the new Mercenaries products. Ever seen an Albatross or Cobra on the table? I kinda hope I can grab the Cobra for myself, I like the idea of what’s basically a medium Catapult. And yes, I’ll be taking part and yes, I’ll also get a mini  Also grabbed a funky alien-looking Enforcer III and a fun blocky yet dynamic Thunderbolt TDR-10M. I intended to get some of the newest mechs but then decided against it since I feel like these people are unlikely to play ilClan games and thus wouldn’t be able to play stuff like Regents or Raiders that often, if ever. In the end stuck with Clan Invasion-ish stuff. Kinda just wish I could’ve ordered directly from IWM, the German shops are really mostly out of their stuff. There are some pretty fun uncommon mechs and more recent sculpts out there. I mean I could’ve but I’m not willing to pay for the shipping and customs that’ll probably double the cost of the mechs lol.
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Arquinsiel posted:Technically it was, but from the other side to deliberately bait a suit. Wait, what? What’s the story on that?
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Best Friends posted:Wait, what? What’s the story on that? 
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I want one 
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General Battuta posted:Regarding adaptations: I actually think the way to do a Battletech adaptation would be to focus on on a mech as a character. Do a proper short film, like a 10 minute or under piece, about a mech changing hands down the centuries. Get everyone to say "oh man we want a full length version of this" and then try to make that happen. You know what? That would actually loving slap as a premise. Follow the history of a 300 year old Battlemech from its manufacture during the Amaris Civil War all the way to present day as it changes hands between various factions, gets blown up, salvaged, modified, etc.
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BattleMaster posted:One of the things about the way the ilClan era is turning out that is interesting to me is that the Free Guilds didn't join Clan Wolf after they declared themselves ilClan. The Free Guilds were associations of neutral non-Warrior Clanners who hire out their labor and transportation to whichever Clans are willing to pay. They were a big but low-key part of the initial invasion; they provided a lot of spaceships to the invaders and served as a dumping ground for members of the conquered populations who were unwilling to become a part of the Clan caste system. I believe in Empire Alone the Free Guilds came to Star Colonel Othar (The Wolf Empire's Vizier) and told him they'd do whatever he said, but since Othar hasn't heard confirmation from Alaric, they're on a 'wait-and-see' approach. Challenger Coin Talk: I continue my love of killed-off factions with Republic of the Sphere. Adaptation Talk: A soap opera about a mercenary company travelling the Inner Sphere meeting all the big-wigs or at least being involved in Big Events would be best to introduce newbies into BattleTech.
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Wolf’s dragoons could be an interesting show, with a season following them as they worked for each great house then the big reveal whenever they switched loyalties from the dirty clanners.
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Rorahusky posted:You know what? That would actually loving slap as a premise. Follow the history of a 300 year old Battlemech from its manufacture during the Amaris Civil War all the way to present day as it changes hands between various factions, gets blown up, salvaged, modified, etc. Yeah, it lets you put lots of different people on screen and show off the depth of the IP's history without doing any exposition at all; you could make it completely dialogue-free and people would go nuts over it. And it centers the 'genre hook' of Battletech, the giant robot. I think it's pretty ideal but then again I am biased as a  MEDIOCRE SCIENCE FICTION WRITER If you could actually get commitment for a cast and a series — increasingly hard to do with streaming TV falling apart and the adaptation boom behind us — I do like the idea of a mercenary unit, because it's the perfect place to bring people from all around the Inner Sphere together, and the perfect excuse to go anywhere and get involved in anything. You've even got a built-in reason to have characters explain poo poo to each other: "you don't know what a March Lord is? Well back in the Suns we xyz" Plus you could have the office drama aspect of actually running a company, bickering over who gets what salvage, covering up the war crime you totally didn't do, etc etc. Face to face interpersonal drama like that is really good for TV because it puts the focus on your highly paid core cast and it makes your writers, who all secretly want to be pitching their script for Succession 2, happy.
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Few pages late, but I always thought ilClan was used like the ilkhan or ilkhanate, a higher order and ruling class of the steppe peoples. e: (The ilkhanate was a Persian khanate) ee: the context I’m thinking of is that the ilkhan is the khan of khans. A ruler of other rulers. Dr. Lunchables fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jun 21, 2023 |
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Dr. Lunchables posted:Few pages late, but I always thought ilClan was used like the ilkhan or ilkhanate, a higher order and ruling class of the steppe peoples. Historically speaking you're correct. The IlKhan in terms of BattleTech was the Khan of Khans, who led all the Clans militarily, starting with Nicky K., they also had some political and cultural powers, but those weren't as well defined. They also were elected by the Grand Council of Khans, and could be removed similarly. According to some of Nicholas' diaries, or at least how the Clans interpreted them, the Clan that conquered Terra would become the IlClan, the leader of all the Clans, and their Khan will become the permanent IlKhan for all time. In before Defiance Industries starts talking about stinky Nicholas' farts were.
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Dr. Lunchables posted:Few pages late, but I always thought ilClan was used like the ilkhan or ilkhanate, a higher order and ruling class of the steppe peoples. In Battletech or in real life? In Battletech that's what it means. In real life that's never what it meant, aiui. It was more like "franchised khan".
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In real life today the Bakhtiari mean it as a khan of khans.
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