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I was in a small town in Ontario last year for July 1st and after they ran out of cops and firefighters most of the parade was farmers on tractors in gently caress Trudeau shirts lol
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Jun 20, 2023 22:49
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Rural MB would never vote for someone from Quebec let's be real. Solomon Wiebe? Well that's a good ol' country boy name if I've ever heard one! --- Very glad the PPC lost last night. Very pleased as they probably spent a bunch of money on advertising. I'd get mailers multiple times a week and signs were everywhere.
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Jun 20, 2023 23:00
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DaysBefore posted:He's in rural Manitoba (Hell) so he means farmers etc. But farming as a way of life has been drastically changed over the decades with the rise of massive factory farms and megacorps buying out so many small family farms to grow cattle feed so there's nothing to preserve. It'd be like a Maritime MP campaigning on preserving the way of life of cod fishermen lol I am from rural Ontario with a lot of family working in agriculture and disagree with this strongly. There is plenty worth preserving there. My uncle, my brother and his in laws and all of my mother’s neighbours would be very surprised to find out that they are megacorps and not family farms. (They are generally incorporated for tax reasons so I suppose you are technically correct, the best kind of correct).
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Jun 20, 2023 23:11
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infernal machines posted:The first time I saw a guy in a turban driving a tractor, just north of Brampton, it surprised me. IDK why, I'd just never seen a Sikh farmer here. I’m led to believe farmers always work while Sikh
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Jun 20, 2023 23:49
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Randalor posted:After all, those cows won't gently caress themselves! He means white way of life
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Jun 20, 2023 23:56
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Fine, we can preserve Letterkenny as a kind of open-air museum.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:03
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Good heavens, is it the braindead takes on agriculture phase of the thread again already?
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Jun 21, 2023 00:05
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Around Victoria I notice a ton of farms are owned and run by chinese or indian families. Plenty of white folk too, but a disproportionate amount of the actual productive successful farms that aren't just ALR scams are owned and operated by 1st and 2nd gen immigrants.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:07
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Baronjutter posted:Around Victoria I notice a ton of farms are owned and run by chinese or indian families. Plenty of white folk too, but a disproportionate amount of the actual productive successful farms that aren't just ALR scams are owned and operated by 1st and 2nd gen immigrants. Farming has been a major source of immigration in Canada for a ton of it’s history, and North America too. The unfortunate history of Japanese farmers on the west coast is one example, Ukrainians and the Irish also came over frequently to settle and farm among many others. There are a lot of ignorant racist dipshits in farming but there are also a lot of ignorant racist dipshits that have never touched a farm in their drunken, likely inbred lives
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Jun 21, 2023 00:11
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In Southern Ontario a lot of the farms are owned by families that came to Canada from Europe in the aftermath of World War II, a lot of them from the Netherlands.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:33
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The problem isn't farmers and ranchers, it's the people who imagine they're farmers and ranchers because they live in a small town and sell Suck and gently caress Services to the hapless idiots who drive through on their way to something else. The farmer way of life is actually one that involves a great deal of technology, education and expertise. The "rural" way of life is sitting around the greasy spoon in town moaning that the IMMIGRANTS ARE TAKING ARE JOBS! You're not a farmer because you bought part of a subdivided quarter section of land outside Cochrane and you thought "planting seed" involved jacking off into a hole in the ground, you thick gently caress.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:49
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If small family farms aren't efficient or worthwhile anymore, then we should have a jobs training program to get them doing something more useful. The dairy industry is absolutely hosed and should just be dismantled back to square 1. Really, how many subsidies and strong arming the cheese market do these people need? Get rid of the cops too while you're at it. Parades can just be firemen and they're actually heroes so that's cool.
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Jun 21, 2023 00:52
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Sorry, we can retrain farmers, but only to be police.
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Jun 21, 2023 01:07
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Charles Bukowski posted:If small family farms aren't efficient or worthwhile anymore, then we should have a jobs training program to get them doing something more useful. The dairy industry is absolutely hosed and should just be dismantled back to square 1. What exactly should they be doing that is more useful than producing food? Do want to teach them to code so they can make useless apps? Without trade protection our dairy industry will get swamped by cheaper American imports, I don’t want to be dependent on food imports from that corrupt greedy nation.
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Jun 21, 2023 01:14
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If farming isn’t a useful asset to society we are completely and utterly hosed. This is CanPol did none of you take courses in sociology or economics at some point? Food production is the foundation on which every job in the world is built, it’s loving mystifying how ignorant this thread is on the subject and the idea of comparing them to the Pigs is pathetic and laughable
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Jun 21, 2023 01:21
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Fornax Disaster posted:What exactly should they be doing that is more useful than producing food? Do want to teach them to code so they can make useless apps? gently caress em, gently caress em in the mouth. I want cheaper cheese and less bellyaching about how hard it is to be a small business man. Or, I'd like for us to stop dairy farming and grow more soy? Maybe those farmers can go work at an industrial farm, im sure their experience would be quite useful for them.
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Jun 21, 2023 01:22
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Charles Bukowski posted:I want cheaper cheese Good lord what a bougie baby you are
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Jun 21, 2023 01:24
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Precision fermentation will collapse the dairy industry in the next decade.
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Jun 21, 2023 01:24
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The broader objective of preserving food sovereignty is one worth keeping imo, instead of inviting the fist of the free market to our butts in a race to the bottom (heh).
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Jun 21, 2023 01:37
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PT6A posted:The problem isn't farmers and ranchers, it's the people who imagine they're farmers and ranchers because they live in a small town and sell Suck and gently caress Services to the hapless idiots who drive through on their way to something else. It's this, yeah.
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Jun 21, 2023 02:05
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Guest2553 posted:The broader objective of preserving food sovereignty is one worth keeping imo, instead of inviting the fist of the free market to our butts in a race to the bottom (heh). And someone will surely shitpost about Canadian crops and what we produce but like, do you really want to make that worse??
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Jun 21, 2023 02:09
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Charles Bukowski posted:gently caress em, gently caress em in the mouth. I want cheaper cheese and less bellyaching about how hard it is to be a small business man. Or, I'd like for us to stop dairy farming and grow more soy? Maybe those farmers can go work at an industrial farm, im sure their experience would be quite useful for them. Thing is, farming isn't simple. The main issue (and cause for the griping) is that the greatest portion of our arable land in the country (the prairies) are rainfed and basically completely reliant on weather (rain) to produce anything. Sure, we've made a great deal of progress with new technologies like zero-till production, crop breeding, livestock genetics and feeding practices, but it still all boils down to water availability (which is generally lacking in AB and SK anyway). Couple that with farming being incredibly capital intensive and risk based because you have to buy everything up front on credit, you get some pretty intense opinions out there when the weather isn't cooperating.
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Jun 21, 2023 02:11
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Trudeau in a cellar channelling dark magicks that keep the rains at bay, just to gently caress with poor, honest prairiegoers
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Jun 21, 2023 02:17
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Vasler posted:Thing is, farming isn't simple. The main issue (and cause for the griping) is that the greatest portion of our arable land in the country (the prairies) are rainfed and basically completely reliant on weather (rain) to produce anything. It does seem quite difficult to me. I just wanted to bother Fornax because I don't think he's very nice.
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Jun 21, 2023 02:26
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Charles Bukowski posted:gently caress em, gently caress em in the mouth. I want cheaper cheese and less bellyaching about how hard it is to be a small business man. Or, I'd like for us to stop dairy farming and grow more soy? Maybe those farmers can go work at an industrial farm, im sure their experience would be quite useful for them. You do realize that different land is useful for different agricultural purposes right? This isn't a video game where you can just plop down a crop field and then plop down a cow field next to it. Crops and livestock have different need and are most efficient in different places. poo poo isn't just one to one. Also the cheaper cheese is because its absolute poo poo because there's less regulations there. I'll take slightly more expensive cheese that's less terrible.
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Jun 21, 2023 03:01
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How much do we really know about foodstuffs farming and how the dairy cartel actually functions? I'm just some guy.
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Jun 21, 2023 03:19
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Why do we have to subsidize it by making it more expensive for us to buy. if it's a nationally important industry worth keeping around, The government should subsidize it.
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Jun 21, 2023 03:20
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Cat Wings posted:You do realize that different land is useful for different agricultural purposes right? This isn't a video game where you can just plop down a crop field and then plop down a cow field next to it. ah yeah that must be why they planted all those farms out where it doesn’t rain
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Jun 21, 2023 03:30
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Remember when the Government of Canada duped a bunch of settlers into trying to farm barely arable land in an effort to expand the nation west? What a country!
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Jun 21, 2023 03:36
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Chillyrabbit posted:Why do we have to subsidize it by making it more expensive for us to buy. if it's a nationally important industry worth keeping around, The government should subsidize it. Agreed. And I don't think all tariffs or subsidies are equal. Making sure the US can't flood our market with cheap poo poo is good; making DOP Parmigiano-Reggiano cost 15 dollars for a wee sliver isn't really helping anyone, because it would still be price-uncompetitive with Canadian "parmesan" in the absence of subsidy -- it's solely a money grab at that point. Bleck posted:It's this, yeah. I don't always agree with Bleck, but when I do, it's concerning the poo poo state of smalltown Canada.
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Jun 21, 2023 03:41
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Well to be fair, my mother’s neighbours are growing soybean cash crops and dairy farming on the same farm. Southern Ontario has a much more diverse set of climate and soil conditions than the prairies, that is why it so stupid to bury it in suburban sprawl. Different counties next to each other will have very different types of farms. For example, Norfolk County has sandy soil and grows tobacco, fruit and vegetables. Right next door Haldimand County has heavy clay soil and produces dairy, wheat, soybeans and corn. Consequently Norfolk employs a lot of migrant farm workers for their labour intensive farming, while farming in Haldimand is very heavily mechanized and does not. As an example of what’s been lost, what is now Burlington used to be a major fruit producing area with big canneries producing canned fruit for export. Now it’s endless houses and big box stores.
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Jun 21, 2023 03:50
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Yeah I don't want cheap quality products in, I want to not pay out the rear end in a top hat for European cheese that actually tastes like something. If we let dogshit in, then it's a race to the bottom of everything, as if it isn't already one in far too many things.
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Jun 21, 2023 03:51
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Charles Bukowski posted:Yeah I don't want cheap quality products in, I want to not pay out the rear end in a top hat for European cheese that actually tastes like something. If we let dogshit in, then it's a race to the bottom of everything, as if it isn't already one in far too many things. I agree, but I'll play devil's advocate for a second. Let's say European good cheese is a pipe dream because you're pissing away all your money on inflated rent and you make no money because wages are poo poo or god forbid you're on disability or something. "There are tariffs, but only on the cheap cheese that you could otherwise afford; rich people can get their fancy cheese unaffected" is going to feel like a legitimate poke in the eye. Subsidy is ultimately a better way forward, but then you'll have a bunch of whiny vegans complaining that their tax money supports animal slavery or some stupid poo poo, and some lolbertarians screaming that taxation is theft, and in the end you just have to pick a solution that's in the national interest and has the fewest people yelling at you -- which is probably the one we have right now, because at the end of the day we're complaining about the price of a luxury product and it's not going to generate much sympathy. I also think cigarettes shouldn't cost $20 a pack because it's taking advantage of addicts, but good luck with convincing a government to part with one of its politically-acceptable sources of revenue.
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Jun 21, 2023 04:18
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PT6A posted:I agree, but I'll play devil's advocate for a second. Let's say European good cheese is a pipe dream because you're pissing away all your money on inflated rent and you make no money because wages are poo poo or god forbid you're on disability or something. "There are tariffs, but only on the cheap cheese that you could otherwise afford; rich people can get their fancy cheese unaffected" is going to feel like a legitimate poke in the eye.
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Jun 21, 2023 04:29
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Sure it was nice to be able to pick your own strawberries in Scarborough back in the day, but now that land is covered in even more productive grass lawns (+2 Esprit De Corps, +1 Authority, -1 Electrochemistry) and their accompanying subdivided homes (+2 Inland Empire).
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Jun 21, 2023 04:32
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DrBox posted:The addicts cost more to the health care system Many people cost more than average to the healthcare system or government in general through their choices. Some examples include: motorcycle riders, hikers who need backcountry rescue, people who eat an unhealthy diet, and so on. If we further accept that many people were enticed to smoke via means that are no longer acceptable, including advertising, it seems unacceptable to then charge these addicts more money, given that substance use disorder is a medical condition rather than a moral failing. Beyond that, we accept as a society that even if a person is injured as a direct result of committing a criminal offense, they are still not to be charged for their healthcare -- take, for example, someone who injures themselves while driving drunk. They will face other consequences, but they are not asked to cover the costs of their healthcare.
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Jun 21, 2023 05:07
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Pt6a, no, I believe animals are absolutely our slaves when it comes to food production. We breed them, sell them, kill them when we want to, and sell their parts. We keep em preggo to keep pumping out milk and more flesh into the grinder. But have you had brie?
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Jun 21, 2023 05:13
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Oh good, it's time for this derail again. I said it before, militant vegans feed solely on negative attention. How much should I tip the server at the Keg while going through the self-checkout for a circumcision, and precisely how should I cook the steak?
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Jun 21, 2023 13:51
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No politician is going to seriously argue for cutting the vice taxes on booze, weed, darts (though not gambling weirdly) etc lol. You can be sure if they ever legalise prostitution there will be a hefty tax. Those taxes also very much disproportionately lean on the poor, and even more so the marginalised poor, so it's a win-win for everybody at the top. Poor people pay more for the sin of needing a substance to get through their lovely lives, and the government gets a slush fund it can use to build endless highways or "buy" F35s or whatever
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Apparently old stock conservatives aren't a fan of PP. https://torontosun.com/news/national/brian-mulroney-praises-trudeaus-leadership-omits-any-mention-of-tory-leader quote:Brian Mulroney praises Trudeau's leadership, omits any mention of Tory leader
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