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I’m really torn between playing smrpg on snes (whether that’s switch online or my actual snes) or waiting for the new version.
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otter posted:I’m really torn between playing smrpg on snes (whether that’s switch online or my actual snes) or waiting for the new version. The new version how is this even a question?
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Jun 22, 2023 08:18
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Why not both
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Jun 22, 2023 08:23
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Why not both Time. I’ll probably only make one pass through the game. I rarely complete a game more than once. Notable exceptions are Zelda 1, Ys the Vanished Omens, super Mario World, and FE:PoR. FlapYoJacks posted:The new version how is this even a question? Waiting until it comes out mostly. I don’t think I’m going to play totk until next year. I was planning on doing Mother 3 next but am enticed by smrpg.
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Jun 22, 2023 08:59
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To be honest, you're not really playing the original these days anyway. Mario RPG is one of those games that made heavy deliberate use of CRT side-effects in its graphics to create soft glows and shadows and gradients and things as well as the illusion of more detail, to the point where I wonder if they had special rendering algorithms designed to exploit it when they rendered their sprites. The character ones are pretty well known:    But there's a lot of other more subtle things. Like look at how all the hills on this screen have a smattering of dark pixels around the top edges: on raw pixels it's not enough to create a solid border so it just serves to make the aliasing worse, but on a CRT what it did was create a soft dark glow behind the hill that enhanced the contrast without needing a full border. But because that smearing effect is gone now it just looks really jaggy and not-good in a way the original didn't. 
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Jun 22, 2023 09:22
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the CRT ones look way worse, OP
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Jun 22, 2023 10:42
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You can use CRT filters these days, although the really good ones are apparently somehow really intensive to run.
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Jun 22, 2023 10:43
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POCKET CHOMP posted:the CRT ones look way worse, OP Okay!  Everyone has their own preferences.Bug Squash posted:You can use CRT filters these days, although the really good ones are apparently somehow really intensive to run. Yeah, some are pretty good, although sometimes it can be hard to sort out ones that actually replicate the effects that were exploited from the ones that add some scanlines and blur for nostalgia.
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Jun 22, 2023 10:49
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Jet Jaguar posted:Only played Pikmin so far and the biggest adjustment has been having to hold down L in order to move your swarm of Pikmin around. Also I'd forgotten much more vicious everything in the world is when you can't drop a bunch of purples on their head. What does the right stick do otherwise? Move the camera?
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Jun 22, 2023 11:00
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MikeJF posted:To be honest, you're not really playing the original these days anyway. Mario RPG is one of those games that made heavy deliberate use of CRT side-effects in its graphics to create soft glows and shadows and gradients and things as well as the illusion of more detail, to the point where I wonder if they had special rendering algorithms designed to exploit it when they rendered their sprites. The ones on the left are the good ones right?
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Jun 22, 2023 11:13
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I've always loved the earnestness of CRT weirds
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Jun 22, 2023 11:36
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Anyway speaking of weirds, I had a dream I was playing TotK last night except I controlled Link's hand abilities with a VR style controller with haptic feedback. I used autohand to grab a bokoblin and then hold its head underwater while it struggled until it drowned to death. I could feel it fighting against me and then when it died its body was heavier from the water it had forcibly ingested. I felt incredibly sad for the bokoblin and then woke up slightly traumatised and now I don't think I'm gonna kill any bokoblins for a while
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Jun 22, 2023 11:42
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they come back every blood moon don't worry about it
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Jun 22, 2023 11:44
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maybe worry about the dream
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Jun 22, 2023 11:44
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Beat the Mole town in SMRPG. Making good progress I think.
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Jun 22, 2023 11:45
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MikeJF is absolutely right. It's fine if you prefer clean sprites but Mario RPG is right up there with Donkey Kong Country as an obvious example of scanlines intentionally being used to create a sense of depth.
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Jun 22, 2023 11:55
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Corin Tucker's Stalker posted:MikeJF is absolutely right. It's fine if you prefer clean sprites but Mario RPG is right up there with Donkey Kong Country as an obvious example of scanlines intentionally being used to create a sense of depth. "You're not really playing the original these days anyway" is an incredibly strong statement that isn't really backed up by the evidence. Like yeah obviously the games were designed around the constraints of the technology at the time but that doesn't render them unplayable now and also doesn't account for the differences in comfort and enjoyment between sat on your bedroom floor nose against a tiny CRT screen vs playing on fuckoff huge LCDs or OLEDs now
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Jun 22, 2023 11:59
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I mean, I'm certainly no 'all games from that era must be played on CRT' purist, many or even most games didn't use those effects and I'd prefer to play clean and sharp. But some did deliberately not just design around the side-effects, but exploit them, and sometimes the exploit tricks can end up making the sharp version look a bit worse than it otherwise might. It's not exactly a major effect but it is there. (Really you tended to see more use of the CRT effects on the Genesis, as a consequence of being much more limited in the number of colours it could show, as well a lack of colour mixing or transparent capabilities) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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Jun 22, 2023 12:10
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An Actual Princess posted:smrpg is a trivially easy rpg. give peach the lazy shell: boom you're invincible. enjoy. I gave her that plus the Safety Ring you find in the Sunken Ship. Oddly, I had the official strategy guide and that thing never mentioned the Safety Ring at all. It makes Peach immune to like half the attacks in the dang game. But the first time I played the game I had never played an RPG before and didn't realize that healer = good and just rolled through the entire game with the bro squad of Mario, Bowser and Geno. I at least used items!
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Jun 22, 2023 12:19
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Len posted:The ones on the left are the good ones right?
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Jun 22, 2023 12:26
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Clearly this was more of a minority opinion than I thought; never mind, then.
MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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Jun 22, 2023 12:31
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MikeJF posted:I wonder if they had special rendering algorithms designed to exploit it when they rendered their sprites. They probably just designed them on CRTs
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Jun 22, 2023 13:00
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Lunatic Sledge posted:and then he fucks around with the canon storyline And also the boss fight ends after you take off 1/3rd of his hp
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Jun 22, 2023 13:02
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I really like how they animated Mario's legs while running using smear frames and such. However my one complaint is I don't like that they gave him the Sonic side mouth. That works with Sonic's design, it does not work on Mario I mean I'm gonna be playing as Peach anyway but still
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Jun 22, 2023 13:02
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MikeJF posted:Clearly this was more of a minority opinion than I thought; never mind, then. I really appreciated your posts, Mike. I liked the comparison shots and your insight.
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Jun 22, 2023 13:08
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Corin Tucker's Stalker posted:MikeJF is absolutely right. It's fine if you prefer clean sprites but Mario RPG is right up there with Donkey Kong Country as an obvious example of scanlines intentionally being used to create a sense of depth. 99% of people playing on a CRT in 1996 were looking at blurred poo poo going through a composite or RF cable on a 17 inch TV
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Jun 22, 2023 13:26
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The CRT ones look better, you can absolutely see what they were going for. Anyway, I'm not paying £50 for a trivial 10-hour game. If they've added stuff that's one thing, otherwise that's a steep discount purchase
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Jun 22, 2023 13:46
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EDIT: I was in a terrible mood due to IRL stuff and felt like people were jumping on someone for making a good post, so I made a bad post. Instantly felt weird. Whoops!
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Jun 22, 2023 13:47
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l lik ethem both. i wish i still had a crt for guitar hero 
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Jun 22, 2023 13:50
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MikeJF posted:Clearly this was more of a minority opinion than I thought; never mind, then. No don't feel you have to shut up, I wasn't trying to silence you, it's always interesting getting different perspectives on stuff like this. Clearly there's enough people that give a poo poo about this for Nintendo to include CRT filters on their classic consoles and the fact the main market for getting rid of bulky old CRTs is retro gamers. Corin Tucker's Stalker posted:Again, it's fine if you prefer the sharp clean look. It's also fine if you prefer scanlines. This is a very controversial opinion worthy of a classic SA dogpile. Opening with 'it's not the same game' because of subjective interpretations on the differences in how the graphics are displayed was a strong gambit.
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Jun 22, 2023 13:53
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I would argue that saying "playing a game today that now looks very different because it was based around utilising the drawbacks of old TVs so you're not really getting the same experience" isn't all that controversial
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Jun 22, 2023 14:00
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Alan_Shore posted:I would argue that saying "playing a game today that now looks very different because it was based around utilising the drawbacks of old TVs so you're not really getting the same experience" isn't all that controversial the last however many posts would suggest otherwise
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Jun 22, 2023 14:02
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I would argue this conversation sucks poo poo!!!! Started playing FF1 pixel remaster. Good stuff, only briefly dabbled before. Guessing there's no particular ways I can screw myself? Opted for monk, thief, black mage, white mage
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Jun 22, 2023 14:03
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Can we all at least agree that the default "CRT filter" option on most emulators that's just harsh scanlines and maybe a bilinear filter always looks like absolute garbage
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Jun 22, 2023 14:06
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Raylax posted:Can we all at least agree that the default "CRT filter" option on most emulators that's just harsh scanlines and maybe a bilinear filter always looks like absolute garbage I’ve never seen a good one except maybe on SIGNALIS
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Jun 22, 2023 14:09
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I turn on the dirtiest CRT filter possible whenever games offer it. Sega Ages Phantasy Star has a particularly good effect, down to a slight degree of chromatic aberration.
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Jun 22, 2023 14:11
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otter posted:I didn’t beat Mario 1 until like 2020. I’m 43. I went through Mario world, Mario 3, but Mario 1 had eluded me. I think after came out 1 seemed bizarrely overly simplistic despite having a decent challenge to it. For me its the super all time inertia heavy way that Mario moves in the first game. Very hard to recover from slight mistakes even. If it had even Mario 3s movement it'd be much more manageable. Its hard cause its old and one of the very first sidescrolling platformers with nothing to use as a reference or improve from feedback.
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Oxxidation posted:I’ve never seen a good one except maybe on SIGNALIS We had an asteroids deluxe cabinet at work one time and the main board poo poo it self so many times that the boss was tired of getting it shipped off. I sold him on one more attempt and i pulled the guts out, put in a led monitor and a raspi running retropie, wired the controls to the raspi, and then spent twice as long loving with the emulator's filters to make it look like the old tube. I did eventually get it to the point that people would not notice, and sometimes wouldn't even believe me until I opened the front and pointed at the stuff I put in it. We even sold it to a guy, after pulling the back off and showing him that he's getting no usable original hardware and he was like "Eh, it looks real and I just want to play it on a standup"
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MikeJF is right
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