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theironjef posted:Shame, "We have nothing new to announce and we're pushing everything we already announced back by a bunch because management won't pay the writers" would have been a huge event draw. sounds like the writers’ strike is only part of the reason for the delays and that they’re also just generally reevaluating the writing/production of a lot of projects given some of the cooler reception to the MCU of late, tbh
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live with fruit posted:But they're going to announce the Fantastic 4, right? Probably at D23.
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muscles like this! posted:I expect Kraven to go full Morb with all the promotional stuff pushing the villain angle but the movie itself to have him be unambiguously right/the good guy. I mean, the trailer seemed to show that his dad is an rear end in a top hat poacher and maybe part of the Russian Mafia, and he's going after poachers and his dad. I don't think we need to wait and see if he's going to be a hero. I wish superhero movies didn't feel the need to fit a certain formula all the time. Imagine if there was a movie about a villain, and it was just unapologetically "Yeah, this guy's a piece of poo poo that does horrible things." Like, Marvel puts out a Bullseye movie, and instead of him being the sympathetic "anti-hero" that ends up fighting a worse version of himself, it's just 2 hours of Bullseye: Portrait of a Serial Killer.
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Barry Convex posted:sounds like the writers’ strike is only part of the reason for the delays and that they’re also just generally reevaluating the writing/production of a lot of projects given some of the cooler reception to the MCU of late, tbh Nah, they still pack halls if they want to, it's a little writer's strike and a LOT the threat of a potential SAG-AFTRA strike, because if that hits there's no way Charlie Cox will smile and wave and promise that this is an all-new Daredevil. Honestly that strike is gonna probably stop most of the big movie and TV folks from announcing for hall H.
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Jamesman posted:I mean, the trailer seemed to show that his dad is an rear end in a top hat poacher and maybe part of the Russian Mafia, and he's going after poachers and his dad. I don't think we need to wait and see if he's going to be a hero. Lol a comic version of A Portrait of a Serial Killer
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Jamesman posted:I wish superhero movies didn't feel the need to fit a certain formula all the time. Imagine if there was a movie about a villain, and it was just unapologetically "Yeah, this guy's a piece of poo poo that does horrible things." Like, Marvel puts out a Bullseye movie, and instead of him being the sympathetic "anti-hero" that ends up fighting a worse version of himself, it's just 2 hours of Bullseye: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Has something like this been done successfully before? The closest I can think of off the top of my head is Hannibal from 2001, and even then, that movie sucked.
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CzarChasm posted:Has something like this been done successfully before? The closest I can think of off the top of my head is Hannibal from 2001, and even then, that movie sucked. Nightcrawler has Jake Gyllenhaal as an absolutely terrible person who learns nothing from the events of the story and ends the film being more successful than he's ever been before.
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I Care A Lot almost does but thankfully karma prevails and she gets her comeuppance in the final scene. I loving hated that film's protagonist more than a host of strictly viler characters with 10+ times the body count, that was some of the most banally evil poo poo going.
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the problem is that the average person wants to feel good and watch movies that make them feel good so you get movie adaptations of things that swerve bad guys into having a heart of gold and/or fighting a worse evil i mean they took Wanted and made a mass murdering rapist sociopath a good guy fighting The System Todd Phillips Joker basically fits, but from what i remember there's a lot of attempted sympathy built by blaming Arthur's descent on society failing him but yeah you get outside of comic book movies and there's loads of movies about Bad People Doing Bad Things Without Repentence
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What was the marvel series about c lister doing stuff? I think the Shocker was in it.
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New Wave Jose posted:What was the marvel series about c lister doing stuff? I think the Shocker was in it. The Superior Foes of Spider-Man?
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CzarChasm posted:Has something like this been done successfully before? The closest I can think of off the top of my head is Hannibal from 2001, and even then, that movie sucked. Super with Rainn Wilson?
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CzarChasm posted:Has something like this been done successfully before? The closest I can think of off the top of my head is Hannibal from 2001, and even then, that movie sucked. It also doesn't count because of Oldman, and Liotta to a lesser degree.
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Variety is reporting that WB's slate of DC movies this year cost the studio between $1.1 billion and $1.2 billion in official budget and marketing costs. Because the studio only gets a portion of the ticket sales, Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 both have to gross over $1 billion for the studio to not take a huge bath on all of its DC properties this year. They were expecting the Flash to be grossing around $120 million domestic on opening week and it instead grossed around $55 million. Shazam 2 apparently lost the studio nearly $150 million. quote:‘The Flash’ Box Office ‘Disaster’ Exposes DC’s $1.1 Billion Problem for Warner Bros. https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-flash-box-office-dc-blue-beetle-aquaman-1235650170/
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it's been obvious since well before the writers' strike that this movie had little to no chance of actually happening, but if Sony wants to use that as an excuse to save face, then sure I guess https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/1671598109095530496
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CzarChasm posted:Has something like this been done successfully before? The closest I can think of off the top of my head is Hannibal from 2001, and even then, that movie sucked. I mean, there are plenty of stories out there, where you're just following around, at best, people that are neither good nor bad, or people that don't really have the moral high ground over their adversaries. It's a lot harder to find examples of that when you're looking at mainstream blockbuster movies, as opposed to something more niche. But that's why I think it would be interesting if someone would actually do it.
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Barry Convex posted:it's been obvious since well before the writers' strike that this movie had little to no chance of actually happening, but if Sony wants to use that as an excuse to save face, then sure I guess Wait, were they just gonna have Mercedes Mone and Bad Bunny work a 20 minute wrestling match for the third act? Cuz that would've been pretty fun.
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Clearly WBD put the wrong film in the vault and should have just shoved The Flash in there
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I'm wondering if Aquaman actually sees the light of day. You've got the Amber Heard thing, the fact that absolutely no one cares about it and the rest audiences all hated it , and then these high profile bombs with the other ones. The first one made a billion so that might help, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they vault it. Blue Beetle looks ok, but it's not going to make a billion dollars
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The idea that theyd bury Aquaman over Amber Heard after steadfastly pushing forward with Miller and Flash would be… well I guess it would be entirely predictable of society, Hollywood, and fans. But it would be something.
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STAC Goat posted:The idea that theyd bury Aquaman over Amber Heard after steadfastly pushing forward with Miller and Flash would be… well I guess it would be entirely predictable of society, Hollywood, and fans. But it would be something. Apparently she's barely in it, like pretty much just a cameo. And the screenings have been super negative on the movie saying it's not good at all
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It's been a year since that trial, do that many people still give a poo poo about it?
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The Amber Heard thing might have been an issue if the movie had come out when it was supposed to but now it is so far gone that the only people who care at this point were never going to be happy with her. Although this discussion does remind me of how WB put out that DC movie trailer in theaters talking about how all these movies were coming that year and then like a week later announced that everything was delayed.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's been a year since that trial, do that many people still give a poo poo about it? Johnny Depp fans and other MRA types do. You probably would not be surprised at the overlap with DC film fans there.
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Yeah. Some people care a lot about Heard. For reasons. It would just be something if she was the line drawn or that fans wanted drawn after Miller. Or even like Levi or Leto or probably half a dozen other gross people I’m forgetting.
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Everyone freaking out about Depp at Cannes suggests that "Heard is the villain" isn't a narrative that's stuck.
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Barry Convex posted:it's been obvious since well before the writers' strike that this movie had little to no chance of actually happening, but if Sony wants to use that as an excuse to save face, then sure I guess Aphrodite posted:Bad Bunny is the biggest star in the world, they’re not going to let that one slip away.
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They didn't cancel it, read the article!
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Aphrodite posted:They didn't cancel it, read the article! It was put in the same status as The Amazing Spider-Man 3. I think we are more likely to see The Amazing Spider-Man 3 (0.00001% chance) than we are the Bad Bunny Spider-Man movie (0.0000000000000001% chance). But, maybe Bunny will beat the odds.
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TASM3 may have sucked but it's always going to be the most intriguing what if because we're never getting that story again. The opportunity to do a post-Gwen death movie is now gone.
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It was just gonna be Andrew Garfield moping a bunch. Also No Way Home exists.
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No Way Home exists as what? The vengeful or brutal Spider-Man only happens for the end of the end fight. I feel like TASM3 would have been very different tone-wise to anything we've gotten so far. Then again they also undercut it at the end of 2 anyway so who knows what they were hoping to achieve with the next one.
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Exists as a depiction of post-Gwen death Andrew Garfield Spiderman.
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Lobok posted:No Way Home exists as what? The vengeful or brutal Spider-Man only happens for the end of the end fight. I feel like TASM3 would have been very different tone-wise to anything we've gotten so far. Then again they also undercut it at the end of 2 anyway so who knows what they were hoping to achieve with the next one. in no way home amazing spiderman explains where he was at after losing gwen you get to see that character on the other side of all the mopey sad-mad stuff i mean i guess if youre just desperate to see Spiderman But Angry This Time, sure, you may feel like youre missing out
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Soul Glo posted:in no way home amazing spiderman explains where he was at after losing gwen Also, Maguire's Spider-Man 3 exists.
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live with fruit posted:Also, Maguire's Spider-Man 3 exists. that was Spiderman But Dancey
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I'm angry that No Way Home didn't show the deal with ASM's parents. Oh wait..no I'm not.
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CapnAndy posted:Aphrodite for God's sake, quick, express faith in the Fantastic Beasts franchise! Use your powers for good! Honestly Fantastic Beasts seems just as dead. wikipedia posted:In November 2022, Variety reported that Warner Bros. Discovery had no Wizarding World films in active development and was not in "active discussions" with Rowling regarding the future of the franchise, leaving the future of the Fantastic Beasts series in limbo. Movies that nobody wanted to see and nobody wanted to make, how cursed.
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