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There's one version that people never talk about appearing in this movie series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzh7kMcuDYY
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I'm only slightly familiar with Spider-Man beyond some of the live action movies. And the rest is just picking up random unsourced information from randos on the internet. With how much tug of war there is or was with Peter Parker growing up or not, is that a constant with the other ones like, Spider-Gwen and 2099, cosmic spider, ghost rider etc? I really want the next movie to end with Peni, Noir, and Spider-Ham finding Miles' sketches of them with super critical commentary of his work 'why are robots so complicated?!' 'how do I draw in monochrome' 'he's like a cartoon but it all looks wrong when I try to draw him from another angle.' Either that or they crash the Spider verse into the uncleverse, the universe where they die and all the Uncle Ben figure becomes Spider-Man. Also it feels like the solution to The Spot is anyone with an actual power or poison like Miles and Miguel.
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RareAcumen posted:With how much tug of war there is or was with Peter Parker growing up or not, is that a constant with the other ones like, Spider-Gwen and 2099, cosmic spider, ghost rider etc? In the long run the other characters might have that issue but traditionally it has just been Peter Parker.
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It's not as much an issue because the writers are more aware of the continual stasis comics exist in. Back in the day they weren't thinking Spiderman would still be around decades later so they felt comfortable letting him graduate High-school and go to college or get married then suddenly they realize their relatable young hero is no longer young or supposedly relatable. So they go through a period of trying to roll back the clock and get old Pete back, ultimate universe one more day etc. Writers are writing with that awareness now, and the other Spidermen tend to be less consistent in having stories written about them and with less history so they don't run into a lot of those problems.
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If there is one merciful blessing about the MCU it is that by necessity they have to shuffle actors out in favor of new folks.
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Yeah it's great they can cannabalize the careers of young stars as well as the directors.
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But where is the Spider-man that makes you gay?
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That's Miguel
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Hunt11 posted:In the long run the other characters might have that issue but traditionally it has just been Peter Parker. Gaius Marius posted:It's not as much an issue because the writers are more aware of the continual stasis comics exist in. Back in the day they weren't thinking Spiderman would still be around decades later so they felt comfortable letting him graduate High-school and go to college or get married then suddenly they realize their relatable young hero is no longer young or supposedly relatable. So they go through a period of trying to roll back the clock and get old Pete back, ultimate universe one more day etc. As I was asking I was like 'Oh gently caress, are any of these characters even still around?' For some reason I know about the clone Spider-Man, Silk, Spiderwoman, scarlet spider I think?
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Silk usually gets a 5 issue mini-series every few years. In terms of screen development, last I heard she was supposed to get show on Amazon?
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mycot posted:But where is the Spider-man that makes you gay? His name is Hobie. 
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Jun 22, 2023 13:42
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There is no one size fits all when it comes to gayification. That is why there are so many Spider-Mans. Every one makes some people gay.
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RareAcumen posted:As I was asking I was like 'Oh gently caress, are any of these characters even still around?' For some reason I know about the clone Spider-Man, Silk, Spiderwoman, scarlet spider I think? Which clone? There's about 4 or 5 of them now.
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Azubah posted:Which clone? They should bring in the Identity Crisis guises too Ricochet and Prodigy and, uh, the other two lol
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"In every other universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And in every other universe, it doesn't... end well." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDMg06hw97U&t=169s This line was such a gut punch, especially the way her voice strains at the end. Perfect delivery. It's also very cool, on a meta level, to see Gwen finally get clued in to what most audience members knew throughout ITSV. Beyond that, though, it's an incredible line because of what it implies. We now know that her escape to the Spider Society came with the following revelations: - "Fate" is a real thing, in the form of canon events (at least according to Miguel, her savior). - According to canon, Gwen Stacy is usually a supporting character to Spider-Man. - According to canon, Gwen Stacy falls in love with Spider-Man. - According to canon, Gwen Stacy's love of Spider-Man gets her killed. - Miles Morales, the man she might very well love, is a threat to the universe by virtue of his very existence. In the prologue, Gwen is already agonizing over the strain of being Spider-Woman, being her father's "nemesis", and being separated from Miles and her other Spider kin. She feels sad and isolated. Now, on top of that, she also has to process all these revelations. Even among an entire city of Spider People, she is an aberration. A Gwen Stacy who not only survived, but is the main character. She probably shouldn't be Spider-Woman. If she gets close to Miles, canon likely dictates that she should die for it. And even if she decides to risk it and survives, she might well indirectly destroy the entire multiverse. Frankly, upon thinking about all of that, it's kind of shocking that she reached out to Miles at all in this movie. That's some next-level teenage angst. ...So yeah, I've been thinking about that line a lot, and then I had an awful idea. Is Gwen going to die in the next movie? Not as a helpless love interest, but as a heroic sacrifice to save Miles and/or his dad? I think the signs are definitely there. She received a complete arc in this movie, and tied up her only "loose end" we are aware of in her universe; reconciling with her father. It would ironically check off a canon event for Miles (loss of a romantic interest), even as Miles thwarts the canon event of the captain's death. And it would add an extra layer of foreshadowing to the quote I began this post with. (Ugh, I feel bad for even putting this thought out into the universe) Tibeerius fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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I don't see Gwen dying in a movie whose central theme is likely to be 'canon is not inescapable'
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ImpAtom posted:I don't see Gwen dying in a movie whose central theme is likely to be 'canon is not inescapable'
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there is no way Gwen is dying in the next movie if anyone's going to sacrifice themselves, it's Miguel, after he realises he's wrong.
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Well done, you've come up with the worst way the third film can end. Anyway Peter Porker is gonna sacrifice himself and come back to life a moment later
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I feel there's an interesting dynamic where Miguel is most suspicious of 'aberrant' Spider-people, but he is one, and most of his most trusted and respected agents are among the most aberrant from the Peter Parker archetype that's implied to be dominant. With even his favourite being the one that is literally an animate Lego figure, including in scale. Also I've been trying not to make the joke but funny that Miguel's whole backstory has him literally doing the Rick and Morty thing is escaping into a universe where his family survived and taking up the place of a himself who didn't.
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Spider-Noir goes down fighting after realizing Miguel is a Spider-Nazi and has to punch him in the face
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I think there is a 100% chance that the writers do a fake-out death for Gwen Stacy, but a 0% chance of them doing it. On a meta level, it'd be insanely bad if either of the two leads die. Gwen dies so that Miles can live? Great, they fridged her for a dude's character growth. Miles dies so that Gwen can live? Great, another Black guy sacrificed for a white lady. The optics would be insanely bad I do, however, suspect that Hobie is gonna die for Gwen to fulfil her obligatory captain death. He will be real pissed about it
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I think none of the heroes are going to die because it is a fundamentally optimistic movie series.
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If there is one lesson to be learned from Amazing Spider-Man 2 it’s “don’t kill Gwen, moron”
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ImpAtom posted:I think none of the heroes are going to die because it is a fundamentally optimistic movie series. 
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ImpAtom posted:I think none of the heroes are going to die because it is a fundamentally optimistic movie series.  DC Murderverse posted:If there is one lesson to be learned from Amazing Spider-Man 2 it’s “don’t kill Gwen, moron” Tibeerius fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/balisonqs/status/1671654756656492544?t=tF0vR06VeyMpBiKLqBR4HA&s=19 Apparently there seems to be a slightly edited version of the movie out now? Anecdotally, Scarlet Spider's dialoguue when choking out Miles is different too.
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Beyond the Spiderverse is just Miles and Miles killing all the spidermans, John Wick style.
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Azubah posted:Which clone? ...Ben Reilly I think? I don't read any comics so I don't know about any of the events aside from getting recommendations on YouTube randomly or when something is so reviled that it breaks through like Red Skull reality cube creating Hydra agent Captain America. Had a brief stint where I was watching Linkara videos but I fell off of that bus eventually. Also no, they're not killing Gwen next movie. You're not introducing a secondary protagonist and having their story end three movies in, that's so unmarketable. Insomniac hasn't had a chance to make a game about her yet! I really want someone totally out of left field to come in next movie. Like Tombstone as Spider-Man. Your friendly neighborhood wrecking ball. RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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This is bringing up old, perma-banned SA weirdos, but I remember when the first movie came out, BravestOfLamps went on some whole conspiracy board ramble about Spider Gods controlling the narrative of the universe and how none of the Peters can escape fate, Miles is dooming himself to destiny, yadda yadda yadda, all for his usual gimmick of insisting Popular Thing Bad Actually. And I've just been getting a sick amount of pleasure for weeks that 1. Across the Spider-Verse so heavily involves fighting against narrative fate and 2. he's so banned he can't even bounce around claiming he's right.
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Frankly I'm surprised they haven't announced a Gwen movie yet. She's one of Sony's most popular characters now and easily their most popular heroine. Instead we have.. Kraven.
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there's a fundamental mismatch between the movies that have all villains and no spider man and these films which may in fact have too many spider men
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My understanding of the Sony-Disney legal situation is that because the Gwen that people care about is a Spider-Person, Sony doesn't have full rights to her unlike the Spider-man adjacent characters like Kraven and Morbius.
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koolkal posted:Frankly I'm surprised they haven't announced a Gwen movie yet. She's one of Sony's most popular characters now and easily their most popular heroine. Doing a Gwen movie (especially a live-action one) before the massively succesful animated movies have reached a narrative end would be stupid. So would be trying to make a live-action Miles movie - just why? of course trying to do a Sinister Six story the hardest way, by slowly releasing movies about Spider-Man villains that haven't met Spider-Man is also the dumbest idea in movie franchise history (or at the same level as the DARK UNIVERSE) fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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fatherboxx posted:Doing a Gwen movie (especially a live-action one) before the massively succesful animated movies have reached a narrative end would be stupid. So would be trying to make a live-action Miles movie - just why? greed
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koolkal posted:Frankly I'm surprised they haven't announced a Gwen movie yet. She's one of Sony's most popular characters now and easily their most popular heroine. There's been persistent rumours she's getting her own spinoff.
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Also sounds like we're getting Gwen variants in Beyond so if the narrative does swing toward "she's an aberration too" she's gonna be getting back-up. if we don't get the gwenom suit on screen i riot
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no, riot is a different symbiote
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Pitch in sony media hq: Live action $wenp$$l
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