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Oxyclean posted:I'm assuming there's a yet-unrevealed explanation as to why The Witness was sent off into deep space during the collapse, otherwise he probably could have just done what he did this time and touch the Traveler to figure out where the veil was? We sort of know why the Witness was out there from the ending to the quest for Parasite: The ending dialogue to Parasite posted:Ghost: It’s over. My interpretation of this has always been that the Witness rode into Sol looking to finally pin down the Traveller and get the final shape rolling but when they actually got there thanks to Savathun some poo poo they didn't understand happened, the Veil vanished, and as far as they could tell the Traveller "died". Thinking that their entire plan is now ruined the whole fleet turns around and goes to sulk in deep space until the explosion of light from the end of the D2 campaign reveals the Traveller is still alive and they go "WAIT, WHAT" and start heading back.
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I'm about ready for it, how annoying is Dares of Eternity on Legend? I want the Vidmaster title and all the goodies lol
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RBA Starblade posted:I'm about ready for it, how annoying is Dares of Eternity on Legend? I want the Vidmaster title and all the goodies lol Not /that/ bad - you can probably just hit up the LFG tool and pug it, I was doing it regularly when chasing red borders. Just go in with a somewhat serious loadout/build - I think all 3 champion types can pop up so the more you can counter, the better. Alternative hit up the discord and you might be able to drag in some goons to help you and it will probably be a breeze.
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Oxyclean posted:Not /that/ bad - you can probably just hit up the LFG tool and pug it, I was doing it regularly when chasing red borders. Just go in with a somewhat serious loadout/build - I think all 3 champion types can pop up so the more you can counter, the better. Cool, I figured something like that but wanted to make sure So far only really annoying snag has been exactly zero lightning rounds showing up lmao, but I'm sure I'll get em sooner or later. Also am I right that the DoE ship is just the Marathon? It sure looks like it and that's rad
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It’s close to the Marathon, but it needs a big fuckoff nacelle on the back
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Oxyclean posted:I'm assuming there's a yet-unrevealed explanation as to why The Witness was sent off into deep space during the collapse, otherwise he probably could have just done what he did this time and touch the Traveler to figure out where the veil was? I could be wrong, but wasn't the whole thing in D1 was that the Traveler was dead or near dead? The opening cinematic said something along the lines of "with its dying breath the Traveler created the Ghosts". I'd assume the Witness was like "oh poo poo, we went too far, the Traveler is dead and we lost the Veil. Retreat to dark space and figure out what to do next!". When Gaul was defeated, the Traveler sprung back to life and here we are. What I'd like an answer to was what was the Veil doing when the Witnesses' people found it. Was it just cruising around space, ala the Traveler, giving out Darkness sub-classes? I assume the third darkness subclass is the ultimate key through the portal into the Traveler, we'll get some seed of it and in the first mission of Final Shape we get the power and fly through the portal to start the campaign.
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e: Yeah, I totally forgot about the "Traveler dead?" stuff and the significance of it breaking free from Ghaul being a "it woke up" sort of thing. RBA Starblade posted:Cool, I figured something like that but wanted to make sure I didn't consider that connection, (probably cause I was not exposed to a bunch of Marathon Lore when I first looked at it) but yeah, probably. I think Lightning rounds are more common in Legend. Legend also makes it much easier to hit the weekly score threshold challenge - which awards you with red border dares gun that you need. (But only once per week - despite the challenge being available to all 3 characters each week.)
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I think the way it went is, Nezarec had the Veil with him, but Savathun killed him, took it and stashed it on Neptune where she knew the Ishtar Collective would find it and convinced the Witness the Veil was elsewhere, so he left to go find it, but left Rhulk to keep an eye on Savathun. btw, I didn't even know about this until now, Savathun writes a letter to the Witness to basically just say  after she gets the light. quote:Tell me, O Witness mine—does the Light that fills this once dreadfully tiresome space blind you from its newfound glory? You'd think it would've been easier for Savathun to just try and make a truce with us without the whole "pretending to be Osiris" shtick, but I guess that's what either season 22 or season 23 is for. 
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Yeah, Nez had the veilquote:
She strangled him with Strand and took the Veil from him. Nez was not happy about it.
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quote:O Witness mine This reminds me, did we ever get any clarification on the relationship between Savathun and Ahamkaras?
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lol Strand was so absolutely supposed to be in Witch Queen.
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hive magic is also green and always has been
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MJeff posted:lol Strand was so absolutely supposed to be in Witch Queen.
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PERMACAV 50 posted:This reminds me, did we ever get any clarification on the relationship between Savathun and Ahamkaras? I thought she just Took one and also a lot of people like to say that to be lovely now lol
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MJeff posted:lol Strand was so absolutely supposed to be in Witch Queen. I know this is probably just a conspiracy theory but the layout of the arenas in the Witch Queen missions, especially the last mission, make so much more sense if you had gotten Grapple during the campaign. Play the encounter against the three Hive Guardians in the final mission and tell me you weren't supposed to be grappling between those four towers at the corners of the arena.
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MJeff posted:lol Strand was so absolutely supposed to be in Witch Queen.
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MJeff posted:lol Strand was so absolutely supposed to be in Witch Queen. just scratch out the word "strand" and replace it with "Deepsight"
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PERMACAV 50 posted:This reminds me, did we ever get any clarification on the relationship between Savathun and Ahamkaras? the O <word> Mine is a phrase of power that isn't exclusive to the Ahamkara. Calus pokes at the phrasing a few times, and Savathun uses it. Sav does have a connection with the Ahamkara because they are beings that make lies real. She is the god of lies and deception, so a being that can turn a lie about reality into physical truth is right up her alley. Riven was the one she got a hold of, but WQ showed she was interested in them for a while.
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RBA Starblade posted:Also am I right that the DoE ship is just the Marathon? It sure looks like it and that's rad I thought the dares ship was the lumpy comet, is there another one?
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occluded posted:I thought the dares ship was the lumpy comet, is there another one? Yeah the lumpy comet The Marathon is Deimos hollowed out and with an engine strapped to it
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RBA Starblade posted:Cool, I figured something like that but wanted to make sure I played around 70 DoE matches to get the Xur turd ship. I got the lightning round maybe 4 times 
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The lightning round does seem to come more often in Legendares, at least in my experience. It's also the easier mode if you realize that the last boss isn't random like it is in normal mode. It's on a weekly rotation and it tells you which one in the modifiers at the activity launch screen. 100% chance for infinite heavy on the boss fight. For the middle section, you can either wait for the circles to line up, or you can launch yourself backwards and as long as you don't move until you land, you will go straight through. (This may depend on your platform, it works 99% of the time for me on pc with a high framerate).
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Yeah the thing about Legend Dares is that you do the first section and then everybody has infinite Gjallarhorn for the rest of the activity. So it's really not difficult at all, just kinda time consuming.
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RocketRaygun posted:Sav does have a connection with the Ahamkara because they are beings that make lies real. Can you elaborate on this? I just thought the 'hams were like dragon-genies that wanted you to wish and then twisted it to their benefit, but as long as you didn't wish or were very careful with your wish and intention (like Mara?) you could still harness their power~
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ex post facho posted:Can you elaborate on this? I just thought the 'hams were like dragon-genies that wanted you to wish and then twisted it to their benefit, but as long as you didn't wish or were very careful with your wish and intention (like Mara?) you could still harness their power~ quote:Mara had considered this, and found an answer. "Go forth and find me a power unknown to all the other powers of this world. Return it to me, and I shall make of it the cornerstone of my new city, where the Awoken shall dream of all they have been and all that is yet to come." https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/telic-i Basically, this is what Ahamkara are. They are lies that make themselves true.
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PERMACAV 50 posted:This reminds me, did we ever get any clarification on the relationship between Savathun and Ahamkaras? it's used by a lot of people, though the ahamkara use it by default. it's supposed to be a dominating phrase, at its most effective probably the same as "would you kindly"
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whispering "oh emerald mine" @ elon
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General Battuta posted:whispering "oh titanic mine" @ elon
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ex post facho posted:Can you elaborate on this? I just thought the 'hams were like dragon-genies that wanted you to wish and then twisted it to their benefit, but as long as you didn't wish or were very careful with your wish and intention (like Mara?) you could still harness their power~ More lore! More Lore Ikora, from the WQ CE Lore posted:Ahamkara willingly seek destruction in order to be taken as Skull of Dire Ahamkara posted:"O BEARER MINE." Claws of Ahamkara posted:It's suffocating here, this prison. Do us a favor, o bearer ours. Still your mind; invite us to enter the realm of your capricious thoughts. Your mind is vociferous, addled with worry and doubt. We can extinguish these trifles. Would you like that? You gotta be careful about harnessing that Ahamkara power, ex post facho, you never know what you might bring back with you after using it
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So the ahamkara intentionally make themselves pieces of exotic armor because they want to become real by being something that real people seek and treasure and find value in because of their utility in the game that we play? That is. Jesus, Bungie. 
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MJeff posted:So the ahamkara intentionally make themselves pieces of exotic armor because they want to become real by being something that real people seek and treasure and find value in because of their utility in the game that we play? This is why, this is why, this is why I'm hot
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IIRC Savathun is also trying to pull something similar (become more real.) I'd like to think it ties into the way she took over the twitter account and told Paul Tassi to touch grass, but it might also just be that the twitter bullshit meant they couldn't really do a similar stunt for LF.
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MJeff posted:So the ahamkara intentionally make themselves pieces of exotic armor because they want to become real by being something that real people seek and treasure and find value in because of their utility in the game that we play? You are welcome.
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Oxyclean posted:IIRC Savathun is also trying to pull something similar (become more real.) Savathun has also posted on bungie.net before, I believe?
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oh it's all just basic pataphysics then
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General Battuta posted:You are welcome, oh reader mine.
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Oxyclean posted:IIRC Savathun is also trying to pull something similar (become more real.) Yeah I think the Witch Queen CE lore covers this in part. Which, thank you again, General B.
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Meiteron posted:More lore! More Lore Hold on I know this, don't take the deal, you get locked out of the Final Shape if you do
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