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fartknocker posted:I could have sworn there was one with some little old Soviet-style turret (Like from a BTR or something similar) mounted in it that showed up last summer/fall. You might be thinking of the Dutch YPR-765, which looks vaguely like a M-113 with a turret on it.
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OddObserver posted:People there usually do that with MT-LBs. I thought the done thing on those was to weld naval guns to em
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Alchenar posted:Much like the point the milhist thread occasionally returns to when discussing the German arsenal across WW2, a poo poo vehicle that is proof against small arms and fragments is always better than no vehicle that is proof against those things. Yeah, as an infinitely less extreme example it kinda relates back to what we were talking about the other day with the PTRS, or for that matter breaking T-64s out of storage. Older gear that can still function is always going to be somewhat better than nowt. M113s seem like they'd be very high on the "oh, well I guess we'll make do" satisfaction scale for their role. CoffeeQaddaffi posted:You might be thinking of the Dutch YPR-765, which looks vaguely like a M-113 with a turret on it. I'm having the same vague memory, so yeah maybe. Kchama posted:He probably just read it on twitter somewhere and didn't stop to think "how would that twitter user know this information?" because it was convenient for him. It was an offhand way of saying that I've seen both sides wearing the patches while acknowledging that Ukraine has fewer R3ich enjoyers under arms. Although couched as a joke I thought that the intent was clearly understandable to the reader and didn't expect anyone to be obtuse enough to get hung up on it, deliberately or otherwise.
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A.o.D. posted:If you're getting shot at by small arms, mortars and artillery, or plowing through mud, an M113 is leagues ahead of a civilian vehicle. Assuming that they work.
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Ukrainians are apparently using m113s preferentially for casevac with considerable success
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M113 struggled in the anti-insurgency and peacekeeping roles it was hamfisted to, but it has always been a star in a true peer conflict as a battletaxi.
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The 113 has been upgraded some over the years, including bolt on kits. I think they are now good against the RPG7 class of rockets, without cage armor. Could be wrong, though. I know in Iraq, the bolt on upgrades worked on 7 HEAT rounds E- glad others are pointing out it's an APC, not an IFV.
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I never worked with 113s except for two days of familiarization back in AIT (I was always Airborne), but guys I knew who had liked them just fine.
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While I wouldn't want to be in an M113 being shot at by an antitank weapon, those in Vietnam that got hit by RPG-2s and -7s got penned by about 1 in 7 hits. And yeah, I know the state of the art for shaped charges has advanced in the last 50 years, they're still shaped charges and thus finicky as poo poo. In truth, I've now forgotten where I was going with this, but I'll just say that maybe they aren't as coffiny as all that.
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Madurai posted:While I wouldn't want to be in an M113 being shot at by an antitank weapon, those in Vietnam that got hit by RPG-2s and -7s got penned by about 1 in 7 hits. And yeah, I know the state of the art for shaped charges has advanced in the last 50 years, they're still shaped charges and thus finicky as poo poo. In truth, I've now forgotten where I was going with this, but I'll just say that maybe they aren't as coffiny as all that. They are way better to ride in than any comparable Soviet design. That doesn't make them the Ritz Carlton, but if you'vd ridden in a BMP, the 113 will feel palatial in comparison.
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Best part of 113s is they sound like a 69 GTO judge.
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:You might be thinking of the Dutch YPR-765, which looks vaguely like a M-113 with a turret on it. The Dutch donated 196 YPR's to Ukraine, which coincidentally or not, is also the number of Dutch victims on flight MH-17.
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spankmeister posted:The Dutch donated 196 YPR's to Ukraine, which coincidentally or not, is also the number of Dutch victims on flight MH-17. 
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spankmeister posted:The Dutch donated 196 YPR's to Ukraine, which coincidentally or not, is also the number of Dutch victims on flight MH-17. That's throwing some serious shade.  
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Ukrainians are apparently using m113s preferentially for casevac with considerable success That's no surprise as maneuvering a stretcher up a ramp beats the pants off dealing with the doors on the rear of either a BMP or MT-LB. Also the M113 and YPR-765 both have more interior headroom.
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The M113 with the engine and heater on make a nice comforting white noise to fall asleep to, as the entire guard shift on our west gate at FOB Warhorse apparently all discovered at the exact same time. I only found out about it third-hand (after asking "why do we suddenly have so many more extra duty people filling sandbags"), I'd have loved to have been the relief that found them all (and I mean every single one) buttoned up and snoring
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This dude interviewed back in March really likes the M113 for its ease of repair and reliability: https://wartranslated.com/armyinform-publication-m113-armoured-personnel-carrier-with-the-heart-of-a-harvester/ added bonus, not standing in a pool of flammable liquid during use quote:Mykhailo adds that he also likes the precision of assembly in the vehicles. Liquids do not leak anywhere, a puddle of oil and fuel does not form in the landing compartment on the floor, as it happens in Soviet armoured vehicles. All seals are intact and perfectly cope with their functionality.
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Look forward to seeing all the weird plowshared uses that Ukraine has for them in 2035
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I'm still waiting to see one of those Russian mobile field kitchens that they captured get turned into the world's most hardcore food truck.
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https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1671767278000504832
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672007214217809920?s=20 Here is footage from a pantsir failing to bring a stormshadow down.
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liar liar Pantsir can't acquire
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Neophyte posted:liar liar Pantsir can't acquire Missile sensors sold for fishbrick/dacha money. How many export partners are looking at their Russian gear wondering if there’s a return policy now?
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JudgeJoeBrown posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672007214217809920?s=20 Blyat blyat blyat!
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Neophyte posted:Internet VFW › liar liar Pantsir can't acquire
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Neophyte posted:liar liar Pantsir can't acquire 
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Neophyte posted:liar liar Pantsir can't acquire
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Your Pantsir has been pantsed, sir.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It was an offhand way of saying that I've seen both sides wearing the patches while acknowledging that Ukraine has fewer R3ich enjoyers under arms. Although couched as a joke I thought that the intent was clearly understandable to the reader and didn't expect anyone to be obtuse enough to get hung up on it, deliberately or otherwise. Here is your post: "It is perfectly reasonable to believe both that the war should end as soon as possible in favour of Ukraine and that the western powers are motivated by something other than purely noble intentions. They aren't mutually exclusive positions and don't mean you in any way support Russia. The same as thinking that Ukraine is the victim and deserves to be left intact and in peace, while also having grave misgivings about the consequences of super charging the military power of a country with an immediate history of ridiculous governmental corruption, and the second largest r3ich customer base. You can talk about echo chambers while creating your own strawmen all you want, it doesn't change the fact that people of good conscience can and should have qualms about being involved in a war even if they believe it needs to be fought. The absence of jingoism doesn't magically make people quislings or sympathisers." 1. I agree with the sentiment. 2. Nothing in this post is funny, or could be construed as funny. 3. I was curious because it was oddly specific, not #1, but #2, so I got curious, who is number one? who is number three? Who tracks this? 4. Sorry for being so obtuse. Deliberately or otherwise. BigRoman fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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JudgeJoeBrown posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672007214217809920?s=20 Is that footage from the perspective of the Pantsir operator? If so, how on earth did it get released?
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raminasi posted:Is that footage from the perspective of the Pantsir operator? If so, how on earth did it get released? Social media is funny like that...
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raminasi posted:Is that footage from the perspective of the Pantsir operator? If so, how on earth did it get released? Shows why a lot of NATO countries, I know my one goes PED red when deployed.
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raminasi posted:Is that footage from the perspective of the Pantsir operator? If so, how on earth did it get released? It was originally released by Russian social media people as a successful intercept of the missile as propaganda then people actually watched the footage.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It was an offhand way of saying that I've seen both sides wearing the patches while acknowledging that Ukraine has fewer R3ich enjoyers under arms. Although couched as a joke I thought that the intent was clearly understandable to the reader and didn't expect anyone to be obtuse enough to get hung up on it, deliberately or otherwise. You posted no jokes, and slipped it in with other actual criticisms I see, so uh, I think you failed your intent, chief.
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spankmeister posted:The Dutch donated 196 YPR's to Ukraine, which coincidentally or not, is also the number of Dutch victims on flight MH-17. yeah, they have been one of the biggest donors, and have given more military aid than eg. france the pic is from a few months back: 
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raminasi posted:Is that footage from the perspective of the Pantsir operator? If so, how on earth did it get released? Russian opsec being what it is, it's a wonder we don't see more stuff like this in the wild
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With Modi visiting the US and being warmly received, is there a chance we’ll see India being less supportive of Russia? Would guess there might be reductions in how much oil they buy?
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Considering how socially unstable India is at the moment, stuff like "gasoline is now more expensive because it would be unethical to hoover cheap oil out of Russia/because we gave arms to Ukraine and Russia no longer likes us" is probably a lit match that no Indian government wants to throw into the woodpile, rising energy/fuel prices have traditionally been the sort of thing that makes governments suddenly stop being in charge. So, no, I can't imagine India changing course in that regard.
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