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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Only if one is a literal coward. There is no excuse for owning these large vehicles and anyone who does should be reminded constantly how they contribute to the death of the planet and those that live on it. A tattoo of the word “shame” across the forehead would not be enough. ya ok lets take it a step further, everybody should be riding motorcycles
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Bird in a Blender posted:Except you are less safe in a smaller car if you get into a collision with a bigger car. Yeah. To being a coward and part of the problem. OctaMurk posted:ya ok lets take it a step further, everybody should be riding motorcycles No. Everyone should be taking public transportation.
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Jun 23, 2023 02:30
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Correct. The only way to break the cycle is with trains. Beautiful, glorious trains from coast to coast.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Everyone knows the bigger your car the more manly you are, and the US is full of very manly men. Maybe the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, as well as its Canadian counterpart, can start promoting those studies about schnozz/feet sizes & encourage the emasculated to buy groucho masks & clown shoes as signifiers instead of F-450s. 
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rscott posted:I have one very large car, but it's a 1983 Mercedes 300SD, so I would probably take the 35 year old newer Yaris in a crash objectively speaking My understanding is that modern cars are remarkably safer for their occupants than cars from even 20 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TikJC0x65X0
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Only if one is a literal coward. There is no excuse for owning these large vehicles and anyone who does should be reminded constantly how they contribute to the death of the planet and those that live on it. A tattoo of the word “shame” across the forehead would not be enough. TBH, there's no reason to own a personal motor vehicle. If you own one at all, you should be reminded constantly how you contribute to the death of a planet and those that live on it.
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Jun 23, 2023 02:50
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So... Shame bumper stickers?
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Jun 23, 2023 02:51
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With the Uber/Lyft thing: Rideshare programs like that have a much larger footprint than taxis and public transportation. And they are a loving godsend went you are having a medical procedure and need a ride but cannot get one for various reasons. And Uber/Lyft hell of a lot cheaper than an ambulance, if it's not a dire emergency.
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Fister Roboto posted:Correct. The only way to break the cycle is with trains. Beautiful, glorious trains from coast to coast.
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I've only ever used Uber Eats/Door Dash when I was sick. Saved me the hassle/misery of getting food when I felt like garbage and worrying about spreading it to others. Expensive but it provided a good service for what I wanted and needed.
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IRS whistleblower says Justice Dept. slowed, stifled Hunter Biden case Tax investigator says prosecutor decisions whittled down the case against the president’s son https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/22/hunter-biden-whistleblower-transcript-garland/ quote:An IRS agent who supervised the investigation into President Biden’s son Hunter told lawmakers that Justice Department officials slowed and stymied the investigation, whittling away the most serious evidence of alleged tax crimes, according to a transcript of his account released Thursday. Shapley's interview with the committee is public and is available here. The timing of this release is definitely Republican counterprogramming, but I can't evaluate the independent validity of the complaints of the two IRS witnesses without spending a lot of time digging through the interview transcript and IRS investigative procedure. edit: I've had only time to skim the 212 page transcript, but my impression is that it's bullshit. I'd really need to spend more time with it, though; of note, this guy refused to communicate or do an interview with the Senate Finance committee, which is Dem-controlled. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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cat botherer posted:Every American deserves to have a train run on them. Or for them, or whatever. People should be able to commute, run errands, and do leisure activities without owning a personal car. The infrastructure would be expensive, but much cheaper than the current road system, the hundreds of millions of cars, and the ruination of the Earth. USCE Spring: Every American deserves to have a train run on them. Or for them.
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Discendo Vox posted:IRS whistleblower says Justice Dept. slowed, stifled Hunter Biden case Feels like this mostly whittles down to the "I think there is enough evidence but a lawyer doesn't, the lawyer must be wrong!" trap that you see people fall into all the time. "They didn't agree with me, so it must be because they are in a conspiracy" is not a lot to go on. I mean the right wing propaganda machine absolutely will but I'm guessing most people will see "but he was charged with..." and assume from cop drama knowledge that there wasn't actually enough evidence to charge for the other stuff. Yawgmoft fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Yawgmoft posted:Feels like this mostly whittles down to the "I think there is enough evidence but a lawyer doesn't, the lawyer must be wrong!" trap that you see people fall into all the time. Yeah, further review finds that the testimony goes into bad faith territory, e.g. stating that the reassignment of all agents reflected retaliation rather than the fact that they'd finished their work on the case. There's also an emphasis on prior Republican Hunter talking points, including the laptop and "big guy". Most other elements of the "slow walking" allegation are tied to discretionary decisions by prosecutors. Again, though, it's a ton to chew through- this is based on a rapid skimming. Though I of course can't discuss the specifics of the work I did at IRS (and I didn't do any direct CI work), prosecution for tax charges requires a metric fuckton of work and evidence, in no small part because legal is so afraid of creating harmful precedent. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Discendo Vox posted:There's also an emphasis on prior Republican Hunter talking points, including the laptop and "big guy". Talk about the "big guy" came from Hunter talking about the mystery partner 10 percent set-aside of his & James Biden's Here's the AP write-up on the whistleblowers: quote:GOP releases testimony of whistleblowers claiming interference in Hunter Biden case
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This is an interesting graf from the wapo writeup:quote:“He was expensing personal expenses, his business expenses,” Shapley said. “There was a $25,000 to one of his girlfriends and it said, ‘golf membership.’ And then we went out and followed that money it was for a sex club membership in LA. ... There were multiple examples of prostitutes that were ordered basically, and we have all the communications between that where he would pay for these prostitutes, would book them a flight where even the flight ticket showed their name. And then he expensed those.” given that the LAT is running a story about a ex-club founder who was banned after outing Hunter as a member and too freaky for the freaks: quote:Damon Lawner, the founder of Snctm, has been banned from the high-end sex club after he publicly identified Hunter Biden as a former member. The claim about President Biden’s son was included in a Times profile of Lawner published Tuesday. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-21/snctm-sex-club-founder-banned-after-naming-hunter-biden-as-member eta the grafs after the one I quoted from the wapo story: quote:A week after Shapley’s May 26 appearance before the House Ways and Means Committee, the panel heard from an IRS investigator who worked under Shapley. That transcript was also made public Thursday, though the investigator’s name was redacted. Both Democrats and Republicans participated in both interviews. The investigator largely echoed Shapley’s testimony, adding details about Biden’s alleged tax evasion and saying he had been barred from taking routine investigative steps in ways he had not encountered in other cases. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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That’s the sex club that had a reality show on showtime about it. They all look like pathetic nerds on it, but they hired one hot chick to have sex with people who were being ignored at their orgies, which I thought was nice. She was the most normal one.
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Kalit posted:TBH, there's no reason to own a personal motor vehicle. If you own one at all, you should be reminded constantly how you contribute to the death of a planet and those that live on it. hmm yes, this is the kind of post made by someone serious about transportation policy
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I AM GRANDO posted:That’s the sex club that had a reality show on showtime about it. They all look like pathetic nerds on it, but they hired one hot chick to have sex with people who were being ignored at their orgies, which I thought was nice. She was the most normal one. oh el oh el. Please find the name of this show; I need to see it. In other news, Budweiser's doing its best to woo back the Bubba crowd: https://twitter.com/budlight/status/1671896007851020290 (Yes, there's a Black guy who appears briefly but he kinda looks Bubba too.)
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rscott posted:I have one very large car, but it's a 1983 Mercedes 300SD, so I would probably take the 35 year old newer Yaris in a crash objectively speaking I love my slk.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:hmm yes, this is the kind of post made by someone serious about transportation policy he's mocking vbc's post anyway vbc and kalit, please knock it off Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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cat botherer posted:Every American deserves to have a train run on them. Or for them, or whatever. People should be able to commute, run errands, and do leisure activities without owning a personal car. The infrastructure would be expensive, but much cheaper than the current road system, the hundreds of millions of cars, and the ruination of the Earth. Alright, I'll bite. What about more rural areas? Public transport works well on a regular schedule with dense population but what about areas that are spread out and will not necessarily be going places in a routine?
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Kammat posted:Alright, I'll bite. What about more rural areas? Public transport works well on a regular schedule with dense population but what about areas that are spread out and will not necessarily be going places in a routine? Busses, night busses and it being seen as a service provided not as a profit making operation? In particular instances where its truly neccesary then some manner of car as well, but only if a need is shown. I mean that would be my guess. I would pay a great deal to not have to drive to work every single day, and provisions to allow people to move about more easily for their jobs would be good as well.
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Here's a good video on the topic of SUVs and fatalities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo Josef bugman posted:Busses, night busses and it being seen as a service provided not as a profit making operation? Public transit absolutely won't work everywhere, nor does it need to to make significant changes. Some sort of shared vehicles may help in some of those cases in the suburbs, but you're not going to be able to move away from some people owning their own cars in some places. sweek0 fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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cat botherer posted:Every American deserves to have a train run on them. 
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Getting rid of personal car ownership is a goddamn stupid and absolutely unworkable idea if you put even fifteen seconds worth of thought into it. Buddy, I've lived in rural areas where it's an hour to the nearest grocery store, and I've lived in urban areas with access to mass transit, and if you think that it's reasonable or practical to make everyone everywhere take the bus you are out of your goddamn mind.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Getting rid of personal car ownership is a goddamn stupid and absolutely unworkable idea if you put even fifteen seconds worth of thought into it. Buddy, I've lived in rural areas where it's an hour to the nearest grocery store, and I've lived in urban areas with access to mass transit, and if you think that it's reasonable or practical to make everyone everywhere take the bus you are out of your goddamn mind. I mean, do you think that busses somehow cannot work in rural environs at all? I would think that in truly rural areas you'd still be able to do a quick form fill in and get a car if required, but I think busses could work for larger rural areas or collective car pools to help out. I don't really understand the hostility tbh.
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I really don't think you understand what actually rural areas are like in the slightest and why personal transportation is the only reasonable option there. Buses can work for specific functions, school buses and such, but they are edge cases. In general though, banning personal transport is swatting a fly with a sledgehammer. Just have adequate public transport and infrastructure that makes car ownership optional rather than mandatory for as many people as possible.
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Josef bugman posted:I mean, do you think that busses somehow cannot work in rural environs at all? I would think that in truly rural areas you'd still be able to do a quick form fill in and get a car if required, but I think busses could work for larger rural areas or collective car pools to help out. respectfully, bugman, Kansas - the thirteenth largest state in the US - is literally the size of the UK mainland and has less than three million inhabitants I don't think you understand the land vs population scale of the States e: Leviathan is correct that maximizing public transit where feasible is good even though eliminating personal vehicles is impossible
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Gonna toss this one out there as a probable reason for pedestrian death increases since 2010: Smart phone proliferation. As a lifetime pedestrian and disabled person, I have picked up some common sense and personal rules when it comes to dealing with drivers, all of whom are stupid, which, to be fair, I am sure is how drivers see myself, other pedestrians and also all other drivers. Even if I have a light and the right of way, I absolutely do not cross near drivers unless I am certain they see me. I signal them with intent when I am going to move. If I can't get eye contact on that, I don't move. This is a rule I made after a few close scrapes. Most pedestrians don't do this. They just go when they have a light, and often if they don't if they think traffic isn't bad enough. Smart phones started exploding in ownership right around 2010 if I had to guess a rough year. I'm willing to bet that correlates. Pedestrians are killed when they're not noticed. I do not think punitive measures against distracted driving are the answer to saving lives. As far as what can be done... I would like other pedestrians to adopt hand signaling and eye contact like how I do. This should be taught to kids early, and should probably be reiterated during Driver's Ed. I also think a big difference could be made by requiring a low light headlight always be on. From the driver's perspective, that doesn't matter too much, but as a pedestrian, I can say that a white or grey or light blue vehicle with its lights off on a modestly overcast day may as well be invisible, and making cars run with less noise only makes their distance harder to judge. Having front facing lights mitigates this issue almost entirely.
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Anyone who has experienced both needing to take the bus and owning their own car can tell you that needing to take the bus sucks It’s different in a city with a real system of public transport like nyc etc. but you will never convince the average non terminally online person in most of america that buses are a good substitute for having a car
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I'll chip into that discussion to state that it's impossible in much of/most of the country anyhow. I live in a public transit friendly city now, but I grew up in a rural community with fewer than 300 people. Ain't no bus route that'd work if I still lived there.
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Veryslightlymad posted:Gonna toss this one out there as a probable reason for pedestrian death increases since 2010:
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I live in an area with half decent public transportation. They started a bus route to someplace near my work, but it would take three times as long - and the bus doesn't start early enough that I could *take* the bus an hour and a half to get to work.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I really don't think you understand what actually rural areas are like in the slightest and why personal transportation is the only reasonable option there. Buses can work for specific functions, school buses and such, but they are edge cases. Could a public Uber type program work? They don't own cars, but can make a call and get one. I don't think we should ban cars, but make public transport system so awesome nobody wants a car. Would be cheaper than all the highways.
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Part of car ownership is having the car semi-permanently hold some of your stuff and wait around for you to finish your errand, which doesn’t really fit with uber I think a better model is Zipcar, where there are public use cars distributed throughout the community and you can temporarily take ownership of them for a time, then put them back when you’re done. But it would be a challenge placing them in very low density areas
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Ok but people living in rural areas already have cars. Whatever solutions you guys are proposing are just solutions in search of a problem. It’s really no better than a techbro proposing tech solutions for problems people didn’t know they had. E: yes I’m aware there are posters itt that say they live in rural areas and don’t have a car or can drive. How about you propose solutions for those people instead of things like “let’s found a zipcar/uber clone for this rural community” that the community, in general, doesn’t want because it doesn’t actually solve their problems? Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Meatball posted:Could a public Uber type program work? They don't own cars, but can make a call and get one. No. Like, think for five minutes about what life is actually like in sparsely populated rural areas. Also think about what life is like for people who have children, especially those young and small enough to still require their own booster seats.
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pencilhands posted:Anyone who has experienced both needing to take the bus and owning their own car can tell you that needing to take the bus sucks They could be with better funding!  to be clear I'm not disagreeing with you, public transportation sucks in America, but a lot of that is by design and could be changed in a lot of ways that could really improve things for a lot of people.Public transportation in America sucks, but that's not because public transportation is bad it's just that America is bad at it.
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