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Kchama posted:Tell us about your anti-war stance. Actually no don’t do this
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Jun 23, 2023 08:23
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The_Franz posted:Ukraine War: Russia caught with their Pantsir down
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Jun 23, 2023 08:24
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RDM posted:I have more sympathy for the Russians who are actually fighting the war that is meat grindering both Ukrainians and Russian ethnic minorities than I will ever have for any of your friends who showed up on September 22nd because this inconvenience of a war has finally affected them. They are the worst. Like  is wrong with you? You don't have to choose between thinking Russia sending Central Asians to die as cannon fodder is terrible and having empathy with anti-war protestors and people who don't want to die for Putin leaving Russia
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Jun 23, 2023 08:30
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Dead forum user posted:Absolutely, there's also indications Ukrainians are pretty succesfully hitting logistics and artillery in the Russian rear. The counter offensive may very well be succesful. Also, this offensive doesn't have to win the war in a week to make it a success. Despite not being a huge success so far, it's already is a succsess. Ukraine will win a war of attrition (IMO even if the fascists win in the US and pull their support as long as the rest of NATO and EU keeps sending aid). Russia spends $75 billion on the military, while NATO sans the USA spends $400 billion (before Finland and Sweden* which adds another $13 billion). Americans poo poo on the spending of the rest of NATO, but the rest of NATO outspends Russia, India and China combined by $100 billion. Removing the US from the equation, NATO spends 25% of the world's total military budget - in comparison Russia has 0,5% of the world's military funding
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Jun 23, 2023 08:46
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Uh excuse me but Ukraine is OBVIOUSLY desperate, they’re nearly out of troops now!! They didn’t immediately take back the rest of their territory and they are mobilizing more troops!!! Just like when Ukraine was TOTALLY boned when they cut pay for people not working he front lines, don’t you remember the huge revolt that lost them the war? Surely the end of the Ukraine regime is near!!! Again!!
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Jun 23, 2023 08:54
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Taking in Russians is the most ethical and peaceful method of depriving the Russian state of people it can draft into the war or supporting industries. It also exposes them to the decadent west so they can see what life is like outside the Putin bubble. Its peaceful, ethical and strategically effective. Check they're not in the FSB and let them in.
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Jun 23, 2023 09:36
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Carth Dookie posted:Taking in Russians is the most ethical and peaceful method of depriving the Russian state of people it can draft into the war or supporting industries.
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Jun 23, 2023 09:47
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Bad news for cetacean animal welfare - Russia, which also uses beluga whales and seals for mission, has almost doubled its investment in its fleet of trained bottlenose dolphins https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f08657ec7321373 Russia nearly doubles floating mammal pens thought to contain trained bottlenose dolphins 2h ago 07.30 BST Russia has almost doubled its floating mammal pens in Sevastopol, according to British defence officials, and they are “highly likely” to contain trained bottlenose dolphins. In its latest intelligence briefing, the Ministry of Defence said it believed the animals were intended to counter enemy divers. The Russian navy, which also uses beluga whales and seals for missions, has invested heavily in its Black Sea fleet’s main base since last summer.
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Jun 23, 2023 09:51
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A sign on the Russian Enterprise that says “китообразные операции”
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Jun 23, 2023 10:03
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Happy midsummer's eve with this old Finnish cartoon strip from during the war.  ("Rymy-Eetu: Ryssän kauhu", "Ruckus-Eetu: Terror of the Russkies")
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Jun 23, 2023 10:20
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Carth Dookie posted:Taking in Russians is the most ethical and peaceful method of depriving the Russian state of people it can draft into the war or supporting industries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjW_6ArOQ1w
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Jun 23, 2023 11:06
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Your point being? Or you just going to drop that video in here and not actually say it?
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Jun 23, 2023 11:24
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Autisanal Cheese posted:Your point being? Or you just going to drop that video in here and not actually say it? It's an extremely naive (and, tbh, kind of patronising) assumption that "exposure to life in decadent west" will magically change people's views. Those folks in the video had been living in Germany for years and decades and were supportive of war when it started to the point of clashing with others that were against the war. If that wasn't clear.
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Jun 23, 2023 11:33
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I think the point is that it's a sizable pro-putin russian dispora... ... but I think most of them was the dispora before the war broke out. I know a Ukrainan boomer who have lived in Scandinavia for a decade that's all in favor of Russia (she's from the east) - but she doesn't represent Russians that fled from Russia thanks to the war
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Jun 23, 2023 11:34
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RDM posted:I have more sympathy for the Russians who are actually fighting the war that is meat grindering both Ukrainians and Russian ethnic minorities than I will ever have for any of your friends who showed up on September 22nd because this inconvenience of a war has finally affected them. They are the worst. I don't think there's any need for this kind of talk. I mean yes I'd prefer it if more Russians directly opposed the war, yes. If enough people spoke up together, it could have a genuine impact. But Russia is a police state. There's currently no unified opposition or realistically practical chance of any collective action, and the cost of individually protesting is extremely high - getting gulaged if you are lucky, or getting beaten to within an inch of your life and then gulaged if you are slightly less lucky. I'm therefore not going to judge individual Russians who don't publically oppose it - which would be a performative act of suicide. Them fleeing the country is probably one of the only realistic options they have, and it hurts the Russian state and war effort, so its OK in my book. However, I very much will judge those Russians who support the war, either fervently or softly - ie: "I didn't agree with the war (because I liked Western amenities), but now we're in it we need to win it so Russia stays strong", etc. I am also very disappointed in the Russian opposition movements for their bickering and lack of unity, which really hampers the possibility of any collective action or coordination.
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Jun 23, 2023 11:41
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Prigozhin in his new video says Donbas was plundered by Russian generals, FSB members and presidential administration employees, stealing funds meant for training etc., says MoD is trying to deceive society that there was some insane UA aggression https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672177488535977984 Second part - which diverts from reality more significantly unless you replace "Shoigu" or "brain-diseased oligarchs" with "Putin", says occupied territories are plundered as well https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672186669762596865 Edit: Part three - says they lost long time ago, dead are not counted, only achievement of minimal advances is important https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672193945604947968 Edit: Part 4 - they're losing to Ukraine during the current counteroffensive, commanders lie to higher-ups https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672203268796055554 Dwesa fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 11:41
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Prigozhin is getting woke
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Jun 23, 2023 11:43
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Tigey posted:I am also very disappointed in the Russian opposition movements for their bickering and lack of unity, which really hampers the possibility of any collective action or coordination. One side of the opposition are nazis, one side is neo-liberals and one side are leftist (not including the Russian Communist Party because they're just Putin puppets)
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Jun 23, 2023 11:53
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It's not a perfect solution. But still better arguing with banners instead of killing each other on a battlefield.
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Jun 23, 2023 12:09
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Countdown to tankies accusing Prigozhin of being a globalist CIA Anglo Saxon western NATO plant
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Jun 23, 2023 12:24
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fatherboxx posted:Seek help and touch grass
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Jun 23, 2023 12:33
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Dwesa posted:Prigozhin in his new video says Donbas was plundered by Russian generals, FSB members and presidential administration employees, stealing funds meant for training etc., says MoD is trying to deceive society that there was some insane UA aggression Are these AI generated or real? Isn't he going to get polonium tea for this? What is his angle here?
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Jun 23, 2023 12:35
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steinrokkan posted:Prigozhin is getting woke It's frustrating how some of the most realistic Russian takes are coming from people who think the biggest Russian mistake was not invading hard enough.
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Jun 23, 2023 12:39
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TulliusCicero posted:Are these AI generated or real? I'm still of the opinion that this is orchestrated somehow. I'm basing that on gently caress all other than my suspicion that outright contempt wouldn't be tolerated.
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Jun 23, 2023 12:50
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Computer viking posted:It's frustrating how some of the most realistic Russian takes are coming from people who think the biggest Russian mistake was not invading hard enough. We're not allowed to talk about cspam.
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Jun 23, 2023 12:50
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hitchensgoespop posted:We're not allowed to talk about cspam. CV said "realistic takes" so that can't be it
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Jun 23, 2023 12:54
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TulliusCicero posted:Are these AI generated or real? It's a powerplay. I have no idea what's going on with Russian elites right now but he's not trying to commit suicide. I also don't think he's ever actually called out Putin on anything. His ire is directed at Shoigu and the mod.
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Jun 23, 2023 12:55
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TulliusCicero posted:Are these AI generated or real? Edit: In other news - Rheinmetall is supplying UA with further 20 Marders this summer, 10 more can be delivered every month they say https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1672212286352531459 Chinese company supplied gunpowder to Russia https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1672209162896396294 Dwesa fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 13:01
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He's obviously running for president next year.
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Jun 23, 2023 13:04
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TulliusCicero posted:Are these AI generated or real? Trying out how far he can push the rightwing populist approach in current conditions.
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Jun 23, 2023 13:08
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Dwesa posted:Prigozhin in his new video says Donbas was plundered by Russian generals, FSB members and presidential administration employees, stealing funds meant for training etc., says MoD is trying to deceive society that there was some insane UA aggression How is he still alive? With all these oligarchs falling out of windows, I would think he's also on putins shitlist by now
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Jun 23, 2023 13:16
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Anders posted:... but I think most of them was the dispora before the war broke out. I know a Ukrainan boomer who have lived in Scandinavia for a decade that's all in favor of Russia (she's from the east) - but she doesn't represent Russians that fled from Russia thanks to the war This is not limited to Russia, btw. I play in an online community that has a lot of Turkish people living in central Europe. There is a very clear division of "People who left Türkiye 10+ years ago" who are majority enthusiastically pro-Erdogan, and "People who left Türkiye in the past 10 years" who are overwhelmingly anti-Erdogan. They occasionally get really shouty at each other.
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Jun 23, 2023 13:18
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bratwurst massage posted:How is he still alive? With all these oligarchs falling out of windows, I would think he's also on putins shitlist by now He owns a very large mercenary army and probably has no plans to be in Russia anytime soon. Worse case scenario he just goes and hangs out at some diamond mine that Wagner owns
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Jun 23, 2023 13:22
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bratwurst massage posted:How is he still alive? With all these oligarchs falling out of windows, I would think he's also on putins shitlist by now Putin is a smoothbrain grandpa and this guy managed to scam him good like a favorite of an oldtimey king fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 13:25
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B-Rock452 posted:He owns a very large mercenary army and probably has no plans to be in Russia anytime soon. Worse case scenario he just goes and hangs out at some diamond mine that Wagner owns Didn't he visit the Ministry of Defense in Moscow very recently?
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Jun 23, 2023 13:27
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Real hot take: Prig is trying to demonstrate himself as a realist and tactician to potential Wagner customers outside Russia. He sees the writing on the wall, demonstrated how Wagner leadership and crews are actually better than the Rus army. Now he is sticking the boot in to hammer home the message before he ducks out to Africa or sells private security to oligarchs. The hottest of takes: he is lining himself up to defect to the west.
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Jun 23, 2023 13:38
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No clearly this shows that Russia is in fact winning. It’s to lure Ukraine into a false sense of confidence. Why else would someone post these videos unless they were just winning super hard? Totally normal communications.
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Jun 23, 2023 13:40
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Oh also Wagner is basically pulled out of Ukraine already anyways so this doesn’t matter Copium.jpg
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Jun 23, 2023 13:42
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Has anyone commented on the Washington response to a potential destruction of the Zaporizhia Nuclear Powerplant by Russia? Cause they are now saying outright if this happens they will consider it an attack on NATO and that Article 5 will be enacted. Risky, since it can escalate things, but at the same time i agree that a clear "gently caress around and find out" needs to be told to Russia since they think they can constantly push these horrible atrocities without any sort of consequence.
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Jun 23, 2023 14:14
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Gejnor posted:
E: Oops, I misread. E2: Do you have a source for this? RoyKeen fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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