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Djarum posted:I just saw video of the helicopter take down. Looks pretty legit. Can you share it?
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Jun 24, 2023 02:19
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I've been trying to understand this, so please be gentle. If I'm wrong, explain it like I'm five and have brain damage. ADHD can be a real bitch sometimes: It’s basically what happened in Sudan except there’s no actual evidence of civil war. Turns out basically having two separate armies makes things politically unstable!
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Jun 24, 2023 02:20
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KillHour posted:Can you share it?  https://reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14hfb4d/allegedly_helicopter_shot_down_over_rostov/
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Jun 24, 2023 02:22
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Jun 24, 2023 02:28
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Where is Kadyrov in all this? I imagine he might have the most to gain in all of this. Edit: I keep looking and see no mention in any feeds. I'm genuinely curious. RockWhisperer fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 02:30
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672415064484184064?t=vE5wyJczTSK0WjPo3--k_w&s=19 This is a military checkpoint they are driving through lol. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672414619275517952
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Jun 24, 2023 02:30
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Tag yourself, I'm the commercial trucker who accidentally merged into a coup attempt.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:32
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acidx posted:This is a military checkpoint they are driving through lol. So, either Wagner took the checkpoint or the Rosgvardia isn't stopping them. Neither bode well for the Russian establishment. RockWhisperer posted:Where is Kadyrov in all this? I imagine he might have the most to gain in all of this. I'd imagine staying home and making sure Chechnya is still secure. Because if Russia is about to go through some stuff, his own position might be tenable.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:35
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Moon Slayer posted:Tag yourself, I'm the commercial trucker who accidentally merged into a coup attempt. I'm the soldiers just standing around ignoring it and hoping it goes away
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Jun 24, 2023 02:35
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acidx posted:This is a military checkpoint they are driving through lol. Why do people think this is Wagner rather than regular Russian military/security forces, even assuming it's from the right location, date, and time (not saying it's not, just wondering what the proof is)? Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 02:40
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Young Freud posted:So, either Wagner took the checkpoint or the Rosgvardia isn't stopping them. Neither bode well for the Russian establishment. That's assuming a lot of things. The troops could have been ordered to concentrate at wherever the main line of defense is going to be when Prigozhin made his declaration of war. The internal checkpoints might be undermanned so that they can keep larger forces at key locations. All it means is that MoD forces for whatever reason are not making holding these locations they probably can't hold a priority.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:40
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ElrondHubbard posted:It's good to keep in mind that, monstrous as they are, Wagner and Prighozin are pretty popular in Russia. They are essentially considered war heroes for actually pulling off a "victory" in Bakhmut amidst a string of increasingly embarrassing losses. It's not going to be great for the already shaky morale within the army if they are ordered to gun down their own heroes. His popularity might be a tad overblown. Don't forget he's the guy with a literal personal internet troll army.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:42
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Why do people think this is Wagner rather than regular Russian military/security forces, even assuming it's from the right location, date, and time? No Z poo poo on the vehicles for one.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:42
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I had to stop following for a week because of life and lol, what the heck is going on. Please let this be true.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:43
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Bremen posted:I wouldn't completely discount all these announcements being pre-recorded messages from Prigozhin designed to sow confusion while he and some of the Wagner top brass get smuggled to Africa, though. Or, well, I wouldn't have until the above tweets reporting gunfire. That's an indication that maybe this is really happening. I mean if we’re gonna go tinfoil hat who’s to say the recorded messages are even real? I think AI voice generation technology these days can make an almost if not perfectly indistinguishable recording in the likeness of anyone else.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:44
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acidx posted:No Z poo poo on the vehicles for one. Does Wagner not use the Z symbol? I thought they did.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:46
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Zhanism posted:This is Putin testing the loyalty of Shoigu and the MOD. Wagner likely isnt moving at all and Progie is just being paid by Putin just broadcasting to see which military units and people take the bait. Seems unlikely. What are you going to do? "Aha! You see, we've fooled you into mobilizing and rising up in rebellion, the punishment for which is death!" "Well...I'm already hosed and already mobilized so I guess I might as well commit to the rebellion and maybe get lucky!" There's other ways of checking for loyalty that don't involve triggering an actual military revolt with all the damaging consequences thereof.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:46
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Young Freud posted:I'd imagine staying home and making sure Chechnya is still secure. Because if Russia is about to go through some stuff, his own position might be tenable. That's possible, but I would have thought he'd of stepped into the fray knowing he'd go down with Putin if the coup succeeds. He's politically savvy, so it intrigues me.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:46
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What I am reading that a large amount of the Russian military is on the side of Wagner. The average conscript is not thrilled with the current MoD and military leadership. Wagner has a better standing than the Russian leadership through most of the ranks. Russia has been a tinderbox waiting to ignite for awhile. If this is the start of a civil war things are bound to get very ugly.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:46
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acidx posted:No Z poo poo on the vehicles for one. I believe Russia recently changed their vehicle markings, so I wouldn't call that definitive.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:47
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If only cinci were here to see this and complain about the Overton window for Clancychat getting shifted again and again. This is nuts. Also probably very very stupid on Prigozhin's part unless he knows something we don't.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:48
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I stopped believing in Putin chess master after his daily feedings of paratroopers to hostomel airport at the start of the war. Not sure why people are holding onto it now when it’s pretty loving clear that even if this fails (still the most likely outcome by far) he has lost control over a lot of poo poo he’s supposed to have a tight grip on
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Jun 24, 2023 02:49
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Ynglaur posted:I believe Russia recently changed their vehicle markings, so I wouldn't call that definitive. I'm sure the people who spend their days counting every single lost Russian vehicle can spot more subtle differences than that.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:49
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KingColliwog posted:I had to stop following for a week because of life and lol, what the heck is going on. Please let this be true. If it's true, a fascist war baron getting in/more is unlikely to be good for Russia or it's neighbours in the long run.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:49
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Djarum posted:What I am reading that a large amount of the Russian military is on the side of Wagner. The average conscript is not thrilled with the current MoD and military leadership. Wagner has a better standing than the Russian leadership through most of the ranks. What are you basing this on?
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Jun 24, 2023 02:49
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acidx posted:This is a military checkpoint they are driving through lol. Was wondering why the sky looked so bright for a coup that is supposedly happening past 2am or so. Apparently what the gently caress the sun rises there at 3:45am and it’s now 4:49am. Jesus having the sun rise so early sounds horrible.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:50
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Paladinus posted:His popularity might be a tad overblown. Don't forget he's the guy with a literal personal internet troll army. He’s also the only person in the (sort of) Russian military apparatus who’s been telling the truth about the war lately. “I’m the only one here who’s not constantly lying to you” can be pretty powerful mojo.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:52
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EasilyConfused posted:What are you basing this on? All of the reporting I am reading now and in the past. Wagner is looked at those “that know what they are doing” if that is true or not. Tomn posted:If only cinci were here to see this and complain about the Overton window for Clancychat getting shifted again and again. This is nuts. Also probably very very stupid on Prigozhin's part unless he knows something we don't. I am positive Prigozhin knows a lot that we don’t. He is likely well aware of Russian force concentrations, defenses and strategy. Hell that is if he doesn’t have moles and spies within their lines which I have little doubt he has plenty of both.
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Jun 24, 2023 02:53
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Me reactivating my Twitter account is just one more crime to put on Putin's head. Anyway, take these videos with a large grain of salt but it was retweeted by Def Mon. https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672421029715607552 e; also shared by Thomas Van Linge Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 02:54
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acidx posted:I'm sure the people who spend their days counting every single lost Russian vehicle can spot more subtle differences than that. Oh for sure! I'm continually impressed by people who can identify subclasses of T-72s. I just see a T-72 and go, " Yep. That's a T-72."
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Jun 24, 2023 03:01
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Hi it’s me Vladimir Putin I’m just offscreen being briefed on this crisis
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Jun 24, 2023 03:02
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Moon Slayer posted:Me reactivating my Twitter account is just one more crime to put on Putin's head. Is the blury thing in the first one a T-62? Ynglaur posted:Oh for sure! I'm continually impressed by people who can identify subclasses of T-72s. I just see a T-72 and go, " Yep. That's a T-72." The only modern one I can tell apart is the T-90M, since its turret shape is very different (edit: and I might be wrong on that). Meanwhile some dudes or dudettes are like "this is a special tank biathlon T-80 variants!" OddObserver fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 03:03
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Can a tank even make the whole trip to Moscow from Rostov, etc. without refueling? Seems like a long distance to travel.
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Jun 24, 2023 03:05
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ummel posted:Can a tank even make the whole trip to Moscow from Rostov, etc. without refueling? Seems like a long distance to travel. There's plenty of fuel in Rostov-On-Don and along the way.
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Jun 24, 2023 03:07
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https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1672425858156437504 Also: https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1672406474876760065
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Jun 24, 2023 03:08
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ummel posted:Can a tank even make the whole trip to Moscow from Rostov, etc. without refueling? Seems like a long distance to travel. Been wondering about this and the convoy a lot. Those tanks need a ton of maintenance too (love to hear from Ynglaur about this). Maybe they're having people give them gas or stealing gas along the way?
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Jun 24, 2023 03:09
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672426443735805952 (Edit for 2nd tweet) I'd like to tag myself as the civilian taking a video directly behind the tanks pointing their barrels at the southern military district headquarters. (Edit- I don't know what that building is, for the record) ummel fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 03:11
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RockWhisperer posted:Been wondering about this and the convoy a lot. Those tanks need a ton of maintenance too (love to hear from Ynglaur about this). Maybe they're having people give them gas or stealing gas along the way? They transport the tanks on big trucks for long distance travel
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Jun 24, 2023 03:12
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ummel posted:Can a tank even make the whole trip to Moscow from Rostov, etc. without refueling? Seems like a long distance to travel. I know most tanks can be run on multiple fuel sources to ease logistics. I don't know if they need to do any tweaks to the engine before switching, but one would imagine they are set to run on diesel so they can use civilian fuel sources along the way if needed.
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Jun 24, 2023 03:13
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the other hand posted:They transport the tanks on big trucks for long distance travel Don't they need to be combat ready and off of the trailer considering they could be ambushed along the highway? I seriously don't know and am just asking.
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Jun 24, 2023 03:15
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