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Little bro really thinks he's cooking. E: Wrong thread, unless it's actually the right thread.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:48
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Nenonen posted:As for air support... do valkyries count?? Hot wings
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Jun 24, 2023 12:49
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khwarezm posted:I truly believe that the Chinese have been pulling their hair out for the last 18 months at Putin's stalwart determination to make everything more difficult for them than it needs to be. I don't seriously think that Chinese policymakers perceived any advantage for them with the war in the first place and now the prospect of it turning into an attempted coup or worse an outright civil war for their largest neighbour is turning into the worst possible outcome. My biggest fear is China deploying "peacekeeping troops" in Siberia, once the Russian civil war starts, and claiming another huge swat of natural resources.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:49
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OperaMouse posted:My biggest fear is China deploying "peacekeeping troops" in Siberia, once the Russian civil war starts, and claiming another huge swat of natural resources. What? Impossible. If there's one thing China cares about, it is respecting the territory of sovereign nations.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:50
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OperaMouse posted:My biggest fear is China deploying "peacekeeping troops" in Siberia, once the Russian civil war starts, and claiming another huge swat of natural resources. Its going to be a massive land grab for everyone when Russia collapses.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:51
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Paladinus posted:Little bro really thinks he's cooking. It's the right thread
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Jun 24, 2023 12:51
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The title should be just chef's kiss.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:52
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Autisanal Cheese posted:What? Impossible. If there's one thing China cares about, it is respecting the territory of sovereign nations. I am sure they can find information on how it was legal territory of China under some dynasty 6000 years ago or so (and some border areas were Chinese a lot more recent, IIRC).
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Jun 24, 2023 12:53
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happyhippy posted:Its going to be a massive land grab for everyone when Russia collapses. Finland all quietly rolling into some old borders like yeah I know there's not much going on over here now but it's the principle of the thing u know
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Jun 24, 2023 12:53
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Morrow posted:Armed rebellions run on dunkin': On my imperfect understanding and experiences of Russia lmao yeah everyone was definitely out boozing and smells like vodka and lovely wine this is the least surprising bit yet
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Jun 24, 2023 12:54
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I’m thinking Prigozhin’s offer, which we learned of last month, to reveal Russian troop positions to Ukraine was legit.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:54
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:The title should be just chef's kiss. Judas chef's kiss.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:56
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:On my imperfect understanding and experiences of Russia Also it is prom time in Russia. My friends have been out celebrating their children's prom last night. Also this is why you could see some girls standing around with buckets of flowers between tanks in Rostov on the first images. Paladinus posted:Judas chef's kiss. This one here please.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:56
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Nenonen posted:Prigozhin claimed in his TG manifesto that he had 25000 men under him, but there's no telling how truthful that is. from the WH in December (full disclosure i got this via wikipedia) https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/12/the-d-brief-december-22-2022/381241/ quote:Russia is also “recruiting prisoners with serious medical conditions” for its occupation force inside Ukraine, particularly for the Wagner mercenary group operating near the contested eastern city of Bakhmut, White House National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby told reporters Thursday. “And in certain places, Russian forces are subordinate to Wagner’s command.” who knows how many of these people are still alive/not deserted 6 months later though Nuclear Spoon fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 12:58
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If it happens, something about crossing the Oka?
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Jun 24, 2023 12:58
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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672573439683567616
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Jun 24, 2023 12:59
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OperaMouse posted:My biggest fear is China deploying "peacekeeping troops" in Siberia, once the Russian civil war starts, and claiming another huge swat of natural resources. Let's be clear. Since they hilariously failed to take the capital and were sanctioned to hell Russia is a resource colony of China now. They just don't know it yet.
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Jun 24, 2023 12:59
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Nelson Mandingo posted:All of the soldiers who could stop him are locked up in Ukraine though. nah in addition to the army units stationed in the moscow area, putin has also his guard
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Jun 24, 2023 13:02
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Cry havoc and let slip the hot dogs of war.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:03
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672575623670185985 quote:"Why is the country supporting us? Because we went with a March for Justice. We were hit, first with artillery, then with helicopters. We went without a single round fired, we didn’t touch a single conscript. We didn’t kill a single person on our way.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:05
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What’s the over/under on Kadyrov using this to get out from under Putin’s thumb?
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Jun 24, 2023 13:05
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ChubbyChecker posted:nah The army units from Moscow area are in Ukraine (major portions are 6ft under). Yeah, the FSO/preatorians are indeed still around, and might indeed be relevant, but who knows what they'll do.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:06
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The AngloZ chud grifters woke up this morning to the news that their paychecks might not be coming this week... https://twitter.com/jabuttee/status/1672409394594693121?t=gWg1_DNGl03rs7MUtiZX6Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/DrewPavlou/status/1672452310344282112?t=fR_T5pTIV-hmp9Hqs7Pwzg&s=19 https://twitter.com/XenofolkZuchri/status/1672495261158084609?t=p6PSRCyWvTm7LPympLUpAg&s=19
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Jun 24, 2023 13:06
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OddObserver posted:I am sure they can find information on how it was legal territory of China under some dynasty 6000 years ago or so (and some border areas were Chinese a lot more recent, IIRC). You don't need to go anywhere near as far back as 6000 years, the current border between Manchuria and the far south east of Russia was set in a couple of treaties in 1858 and 1860, prior to that the Qing Dynasty controlled a much larger territory of Manchuria that would entail basically all of the major population centres in that part of Russia today like Vladivostok and Khabarovsk, as well as Russia's most important Pacific access and some of the best arable land in the Russian far east.  The Russians essentially exploited the existential crisis that the Qing dynasty was going through with the Taiping rebellion and others to force them to cede vast amounts of territory. This has actually been a major bugbear among a lot of people in China who consider the treaty of Aigun and Beijing to be last remaining 'unequal treaties' from that era of exploitation by European imperialists and the one where China lost the most. The Sino-Soviet crisis seems to have been heavily influenced by Chinese resentment of this settlement and the two countries tethered on the edge of war as Mao was talking about how horrible an injustice this was and how it was crucially important that China defend its interests in the north even if its just some tiny island in the Amur river. Now I don't seriously think that the Chinese are going to go on a land grab and try to seize a city as crucial as Vladivostok, but it is something that is always an undercurrent in Russian and Chinese relations and a source of subtle and not so subtle tension.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:06
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From Meduza: quote:Residents of Moscow and the Moscow region have reported receiving calls from unfamiliar numbers with messages from Wagner Group, according to journalist Farida Rustamova.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:09
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https://twitter.com/belwarriors/status/1672570698156449793 ...well, I suppose there is another country Russia has some troops in.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:11
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 e: honestly the fact that Wagner appears to have just taken some strategically critical areas with little to no resistance seems like a fatal blow to Putin's authority even if he's ultimately able to crush Wagner and restore control. Plus, while the current situation may not have directly impacted the front lines, isn't Putin going to have to withdraw troops from Ukraine if he wants to actually put down this rebellion? I doubt his riot police are going to be able to beat tanks. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 24, 2023 13:13
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OddObserver posted:The army units from Moscow area are in Ukraine (major portions are 6ft under). Yeah, the FSO/preatorians are indeed still around, and might indeed be relevant, but who knows what they'll do. many of the moscow units have suffered casualties and have been rebuilt to some unknown degree, and they aren't all sent to ukraine
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Jun 24, 2023 13:15
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Insider UA says wagner have opened up the prisons in the city of Rostov and recruiting inmates to go conquer Moscow ⚡️Бойцы ЧВК "Вагнер" массово выпускают зэков из тюрем Ростова, чтобы те вступили в их ряды и вместе с ними шли на Москву, — росСМИ Инсайдер UA | Подписаться
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Jun 24, 2023 13:18
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Rust Martialis posted:War in Ukraine CE: Wag(ner) the Dog The Oracle of Delphi told Putin a great capital would fall in 3 days
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Jun 24, 2023 13:19
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So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this?
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Jun 24, 2023 13:20
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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? there isnt one really
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Jun 24, 2023 13:22
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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? No good outcome with regard to russian leadership best case is putin barely holds to power. with regard to the war russia bleeds itself giving ukraine the opportunity to redraw the boarders to pre crimean invasion.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:22
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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? For Ukraine? Civil war that forces Russia to retreat and Ukraine to take everything back For Ukraine and Russia? Quick series of coups that results in a real democracy while Ukraine gets its territory back The second is not very likely, but the first isn't out of the question at this point.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:23
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Staluigi posted:A lot of this crazy poo poo is easier to understand if you have had the "what's the penalty for being late? What's the penalty for treason?" skit explained to you this is somewhat late, but it was an actual historical event not just a meme: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Sheng_and_Wu_Guang_uprising
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Jun 24, 2023 13:23
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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? Wagner defeats Putin loyalists but is weakened that a third faction wipes them out. Or they can't hold Russia together and various oblasts start breaking away.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:23
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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? Thoughts and prayers for collapse and splintering of russian federation
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Jun 24, 2023 13:23
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Dog Friday posted:So we don't want Wagner to win and we don't like Putin either... What's the best outcome from all this? Putin winning but at such cost to Russian military they are forced to retreat from Ukraine.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:24
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https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1672576319085858816 quote:There's certainly lots going on w/ Prigozhin, Wagner, Shoigu, Gerasimov, and, of course, Putin. There's is a criiminal enterprise.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:24
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Sekenr posted:Insider UA says wagner have opened up the prisons in the city of Rostov and recruiting inmates to go conquer Moscow I suspect this might be Russian media trying to discredit Prigozhin. But who the gently caress knows anymore.
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Jun 24, 2023 13:24
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