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Fuuuck, I drive a car for a few hours and it's all over before it really got started 
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Jun 24, 2023 20:00
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I'll always remember where I was for the Russian Civil War of 24Jun2023-24Jun2023
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Jun 24, 2023 20:04
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Moon Slayer posted:This pretty much sums up my opinion, except for the "will have a few thoughts in a bit" part. Yeah, seeing those two confused and needing to collect their thoughts make me 
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Jun 24, 2023 20:06
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It's very funny to me Putin, the man who does all these pathetic power moves with making people wait on him and dragging dogs into meetings or whatever, just got put in his place Also if I was some Wagner mercenary, who hours ago dreamed he'd soon be part of the ruling faction of Moscow, I'd be pissed I'm suddenly being sent back to some filthy trench. Though of course I've no idea how the Wagner regulars expected this to end
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Jun 24, 2023 20:07
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My first car was a stick
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Shogeton posted:Have we considered the possibility that Lukashenko is a master-statesman filled with Solomonic wisdom? he threatened to cut russia in half to find the true mom?
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Jun 24, 2023 20:08
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bandaid.friend posted:Though of course I've no idea how the Wagner regulars expected this to end I think you kind of have to assume anyone willing to drive on their own capital is pretty strongly in the Death or Glory mindset
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Jun 24, 2023 20:09
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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672673430200635392 https://twitter.com/IvoHDaalder/status/1672682614166102017
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Jun 24, 2023 20:10
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Random Integer posted:Wagner getting sent all over the place seems bad for Wagner from a "not coming down with a case of bullet poisoning" perspective. They're relatively small compared to the Russian state, they only have power because they are concentrated together. Getting split up sounds like an invitation for purge o'clock Honestly Wagner shifting wholly to Africa sounds pretty decent for them? They can consolidate their mining other plundering activities, which at this point are probably more profitable than fighting directly for the Russian military, and there's relatively little opposition or even oversight for whatever horrible poo poo they feel like doing. It's gotta beat Bakhmut, right?
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Jun 24, 2023 20:12
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Chalks posted:https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672673430200635392 Yeah, the lid is off now. The mystique of Putin is broken and everybody knows the path to power is no longer through loyalty to him. This will happen again. Maybe Prigozhin will try again, maybe someone else. It will keep happening until someone succeeds. And as I've said before, the war in Ukraine will end due to Russia withdrawing its troops in order to deal with civil war at home.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:15
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Comedy option: The MoD brass refuse to step aside and half the army sides with them and half with Putin/Prigozhin and have an even bigger civil war
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Jun 24, 2023 20:23
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Deformed Church posted:Honestly Wagner shifting wholly to Africa sounds pretty decent for them? if putin holds to the letter of the rumored deal long enough for Prigo to take his private army to the CAR, he's going to be one of the richest and most powerful men there, certainly rich enough to pay people to taste test his food, drinks, and doorknobs for polonium sucks for the people there or wherever he winds up, and i don't have a loving clue how things shake out in Russia Me early yesterday: why didn't prigo take his loyalists and cash and run to another country Me late yesterday: huh yeah I guess that's more dangerous than marching on Moscow, I'm wrong Me now: i knew i was right all along, he just wanted to flee the country in the funniest way possible Me in about four hours: i can't believe talks fell apart and prigo just leveled the kremlin with rocket artillery
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Jun 24, 2023 20:24
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Prighozin says he'll stop and leave putin alone but putin has to eat a bug in front of him and all his friends. And they get to choose the bug. If you go running to teacher about a coup ur so dead
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Jun 24, 2023 20:25
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Wait, is it supposed to be a total withdrawal from Ukraine for Wagner? Because if it is, won’t Russia’s remaining official armed forces likely be turbo-hosed without the extra manpower?
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Jun 24, 2023 20:26
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Regalingualius posted:Wait, is it supposed to be a total withdrawal from Ukraine for Wagner? Because if it is, won’t Russia’s remaining official armed forces likely be turbo-hosed without the extra manpower? Eh, I think they had already been mostly pulled from the frontlines.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:27
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If Putin doesn't give a speech from Moscow soon, I don't know.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:31
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Randarkman posted:Eh, I think they had already been mostly pulled from the frontlines. Yeah, but they wanted to reintegrate their manpower into the army. Since i doubt there's a call for 25k Russian mercenaries in Africa, i feel like Prigozhin is going to surrender all his wartime recruits anyway and only keep the core or veteran fighters.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:31
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The quote I heard was "majority" of Wagner to be stationed in Africa.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:33
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I’m guessing he left all his convict mercenaries on the front lines during this? Or did March them to Moscow as well? E: not asking about tea leaves just wondering if anything was reported about his convict corps
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Jun 24, 2023 20:33
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Zwabu posted:If Putin doesn't give a speech from Moscow soon, I don't know. Speech promised for 11pm Moscow time.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:33
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Zwabu posted:If Putin doesn't give a speech from Moscow soon, I don't know. He might not announce anything till the deal is finalized, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:35
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Speech promised for 11pm Moscow time. Which is in about 25 minutes unless he delays it.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:35
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Nenonen posted:Fuuuck, I drive a car for a few hours and it's all over before it really got started Sorry you might not get the massacre you were hoping for.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:36
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Speech promised for 11pm Moscow time. 
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Jun 24, 2023 20:36
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Phrigozhin right now https://youtube.com/shorts/p9CCfeu4by4
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Jun 24, 2023 20:37
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Fart Amplifier posted:Sorry you might not get the massacre you were hoping for. Yeah, back to all our regularly scheduled massacres.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:38
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Fart Amplifier posted:Sorry you might not get the massacre you were hoping for. I want Russian army to collapse in infighting and Ukraine to take back its borders with minimal losses is that too much to ask??? 
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Jun 24, 2023 20:40
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The Courier, allied with the Boomers, has passed an epic speech check and convinced Legate Prigozhius of futility of his affair
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Jun 24, 2023 20:40
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Any chance Putins speech will shed some light on the situation?
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Jun 24, 2023 20:44
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Dog Friday posted:Any chance Putins speech will shed some light on the situation? I expect it will shed some light on some things, and raise a lot of questions.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:46
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Bored again now, let's just move on to the Belarus coup
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Jun 24, 2023 20:49
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https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672692778604670986?t=hpCFDb2WEhrkxDzFoA0rAQ&s=19
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Jun 24, 2023 20:51
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Wait, I just woke up and it's over? Huh? I'm going back to bed.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:51
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Dog Friday posted:Any chance Putins speech will shed some light on the situation? Unfortunately it looks like he's scheduled to read his review of Final Fantasy XVI, so the armed revolt will probably have to wait until Monday.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:52
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2/5 stars, exciting start but coup attempt did not succeed and no bleary-eyed leader addressing the nation through his iPhone
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Jun 24, 2023 20:55
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I don't know much about CSTO except for its origins, but it seems like a dead man walking. That was a failure if the news about them avoiding involvement was true.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:57
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I expect it will shed some light on some things, and raise a lot of questions. Either way, the next six months will be critical.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:00
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Lukashenko looking... less isolated!
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Jun 24, 2023 21:01
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Can Putin ever recover from this? He fled Moscow and was forced to capitulate to mercenaries who were threatening to topple him. If Wagner don't take this opportunity and topple Putin, then surely there are others within the Russian military system who are looking at a weak and crippled old man and thinking "I want what he has"?
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Jun 24, 2023 21:01
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Well see a month from now when the loyalists of the current military leadership try to force the removal of the new picks.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:05
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Nenonen posted:I specifically said that Prigozhin cannot win, not that Putin can't lose. Prig can't create a new civilian political apparatus to replace United Russia and all of its governors and local councilors and so on, nor can he expect Russians to bend knee to a private military company's boss trying to take power at gun point. sure they would, just call him False Dmitry IV. raising a private army to usurp the Russian throne is a time-honored tradition. the people will happily cry "да здравствует царь Дмитрий Иванович!" to the successor of an unpopular leader AT LEAST UNTIL THEY REALIZE HE'S A DIRTY CATHOLIC quote:I brought this up because someone said that we should be scared of the option where Prigozhin does win and becomes Russia's new fascist tsar. It's just not going to happen. See how the August coup went for comparison. Gorbachev's career was over but everything else went completely against the coup's goals. while i am also skeptical of Putin's ability to maintain control after this, contemporary Russia does lack an equivalent to the forces that took advantage of the post-GKChP power vacuum. there's neither a clear set of government officials discredited by coup association (Prigozhin appears to have done this without much support other than his guns) nor a set of challengers to fill the void. there's no obvious Yeltsin and band of nationalists waiting in the wings to take advantage of the fractures in Putin's control structures anyway, good day to relisten to some fascist punks out of rostov with choice album art https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu8Y0y2U6DU Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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