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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Im sure the people that barely posted in the thread that came in rushing yesterday are actually not mad that the pig man turned around and ukraines offensive is still a wet fart i am a little disappointed because if prigozhin had made into moscow we would have had absolutely tremendous content, dwarfing even the manic posting over the past day
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Orange Devil posted:Would be absolutely insane not to bring the hammer down on Prigozhin though. Under normal circumstances, yes. But Prigozhin/Wagner played the primary role in taking big and strategic cities like Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, and Bakhmut so simply killing or imprisoning him could be risky.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:56
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Vox Nihili posted:There were air strikes on the Wagner column including right in Voronezh Yea gonna need a source for this. Only thing I got froom Google was a since deleted twitter thread.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:57
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samogonka posted:the far right was constantly complaining about the military leadership, now they get what they wanted thanks to Prigozhin. Strelkov is seething lol They're both agents of the Russian government. They're controlled opposition m Strelkov is designed ro appeal to the monarchist opposition. Prigozhin is designed to appeal to the right wing/ fascist opposition.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:57
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When it comes to a brokered exile, Belarus is no Elba.
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Jun 24, 2023 20:57
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Beauty and harmony; all that begins must end. The reign of the old Shoigu is over!
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Jun 24, 2023 20:57
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Regarde Aduck posted:drat that's really loving lovely https://t.me/s/fighter_bomber 13 dead per the russian air force dude hard to believe prigozhinn gets to walk away from this that twitter dude one day ago who said "yeah putin will just negotiate a deal with him" ended up being 100% right lmao
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Jun 24, 2023 20:58
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Regarde Aduck posted:yeah i'm completely out of the loop, these downed helicopters, was this event 100% confirmed? https://t.me/milinfolive/102697
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Jun 24, 2023 20:58
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Wikipedia moves
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Jun 24, 2023 20:59
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Organ Fiend posted:They're both agents of the Russian government. They're controlled opposition m ok so if this is a big psy ops what was the point of it? putin looks like a bitch . . . . for what?
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Jun 24, 2023 20:59
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I mean, it's funny to see liberals cheering this on because it's as plan as day that this is the result of trying to minimize state involvement through the SMO. The idea itself is the product of liberalism and neoliberal conceptions of the state - sending a token force, fighting conservatively to minimize casualties, avoiding damage to civilians and so on. These behaviours, what defence theorists like Deborah Avant describe as "Post-Heroic Warfare Logic", feature private contractors, casualty sensitivity and public support for war result from liberal, western, capitalist states. This, for the liberals ITT, is expected to be the dominant form of Western Warfare for as long as the current mode of production and political ideology exist, because there is no other way for states to motivate soldiers and populations. No such thing as a society = no sacrifice. Andreas Herberg-Rothe argues for an alternative, that there will be such a thing as "The Democratic Warrior" engaged in "World-Order Conflicts", but really what he's observing is that the Rules Based International Order will appeal to extreme blood and soil nationalism at the soldier level, and launder this through defending heckin democracy to liberals at home to maintain public support. This is nearly 1:1 the case in Ukraine. They are not fighting for a world order or democracy, there is just a bifurcation of the ideology used to motivate soldiers and that used to motivate the public. So, how could this have been prevented? Fighting a decisive war without the features of neoliberal warfare, described by Anthimos Tsirigotis as featuring casualty avoidance, stand off attack, automatic, limited force deployment, shrinkage and professionalization of combat forces - and yes - the mass employment of private military contractors. This gently caress up, like imo nearly all of the gently caress ups to date, is the result of liberals getting what they want. This is what Yeltsin set in motion.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:00
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putin remains the most kissable face in moscow
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Jun 24, 2023 21:02
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Man i stop following the thread for like 48 hours so me and my friends can grill some meat and down some brewskis and this crazy poo poo happns... after weeks of boring (and objectively sad ) waves of untrained ukrainian conscripts being told to drive into a minefield by their nato slave masters. I guess the true lesson here is to never stop posting
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Jun 24, 2023 21:02
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OctaMurk posted:ok so if this is a big psy ops if putin's so easy to negotiate with, why did couldn't ukraine get it done in 8 years huh?? or some other cope idk
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January 6 Survivor posted:Man i stop following the thread for like 48 hours so me and my friends can grill some meat and down some brewskis and this crazy poo poo happns... after weeks of boring (and objectively sad ) waves of untrained ukrainian conscripts being told to drive into a minefield by their nato slave masters. there were over 1000 posts from yesterday lol
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Jun 24, 2023 21:03
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Frosted Flake posted:I mean, it's funny to see liberals cheering this on because it's as plan as day that this is the result of trying to minimize state involvement through the SMO. The idea itself is the product of liberalism and neoliberal conceptions of the state - sending a token force, fighting conservatively to minimize casualties, avoiding damage to civilians and so on. These behaviours, what defence theorists like Deborah Avant describe as "Post-Heroic Warfare Logic", feature private contractors, casualty sensitivity and public support for war result from liberal, western, capitalist states. This, for the liberals ITT, is expected to be the dominant form of Western Warfare for as long as the current mode of production and political ideology exist, because there is no other way for states to motivate soldiers and populations. No such thing as a society = no sacrifice. yeah they hate Russia when at every turn it acts like a model liberal democracy
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Jun 24, 2023 21:04
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The real lesson is that sometimes very stupid and funny things happen. Better than month whatever of "bad poo poo happening to civilians again"
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Jun 24, 2023 21:04
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Truga posted:if putin's so easy to negotiate with, why did couldn't ukraine get it done in 8 years huh?? zelensky's role is to stop putin from negotiating himself into lovely treaties 
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Jun 24, 2023 21:05
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How is Belarus a 'friendly' place for Prigozhin, anyway? What stops Lukashenko from arresting him shortly after arrival? 
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Jun 24, 2023 21:06
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OctaMurk posted:ok so if this is a big psy ops The actual reasons are not going to be broadcasted on loving Twitter, but if I had to guess right now ... I'm guessing that Putin caught wind of some sort of plot against him. Maybe a palace coup. Maybe a foreign intelligence op. Prigozhin's stunt may have been an effort to get these people to reveal themselves. "Hey Yevgeny, I hear you're revolting. Let's join up." I see rumors that Shoigu has been arrested and his family has left for Dubai ....
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Horseshoe theory posted:How is Belarus a 'friendly' place for Prigozhin, anyway? What stops Lukashenko from arresting him shortly after arrival? He can post more and fight less.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:06
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From skimming the literature, the only western country to avoid these trends is Italy and that's literally because the cultural memory of Condottieri and compagnie di ventura. It's just that shock therapy dismantled the Russian state for profit around a decade or two before doing the same here.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:06
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8th Line posted:crazy prigozhin gets to keep his private army and play around in africa for a bit He won't be alive in a month but yeah what a legend
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Jun 24, 2023 21:07
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skipped all the pages, how is the wagnerian revolution going
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Jun 24, 2023 21:08
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Luka: Putin, I’d love to help in Ukraine but I’m so busy with brokering warlord peace deals.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:09
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prigozhin has probably been given some guarantees that if he from now is a very good boy he gets to live and stay rich that is getting away incredibly lightly from an armed insurrection. i don't think that openly sacking shoigu is on the table - it would be too open a concession on what is already a very generous deal - but he could be effectively sidelined it doesn't seem to have actually changed anything fundamental in the war. certainly russia didn't collapse. it's an embarassing situation for putin, but at the end of the day it seems to have been resolved, and now the war can go back to being depressing positional warfare.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:09
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Prig Boss going back to Zanzibar Land to build Outer Heaven
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Jun 24, 2023 21:09
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Homeless Friend posted:shipped all the pages, how is the wagnerian revolution going They call it a revolution because you revolve 360 degrees and drive away.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:09
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Lmao what the hell
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Jun 24, 2023 21:09
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Westerners falling for a classic Maskirovka? They love to talk about Russian Dezinformatsiya but believe everything coming out of Russia no questions asked.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:10
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OctaMurk posted:ok so if this is a big psy ops If he doesn't look like a loser at least once every other month people are going to say he is losing his signature style.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:10
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Elba-rus
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fizzy posted:The last time Ukraine committed violence on minorities was in WWII this is a bit, right? jfc
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Jun 24, 2023 21:11
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BrotherJayne posted:this is a bit, right? jfc It's catpetter's re-reg.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:11
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Art of the Deal by Yevgeny Prigozhin
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Jun 24, 2023 21:12
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Westerners falling for a classic Maskirovka? They love to talk about Russian Dezinformatsiya but believe everything coming out of Russia no questions asked. i mean i was fully on board with train of thought until they killed a load of pilots that's a real lovely thing to do if it was just psyops
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Jun 24, 2023 21:12
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Regarde Aduck posted:3. This was elaborate theatre. I've always thought Prigozhin is in deep with Putin and nothing he does is without Putin's approval. Not sure how many people had to be in the loop but enough that nothing super bad happened and the west got to talk about the imminent collapse of Russia. Now to what objective Putin and Prigozhin keep doing this poo poo I don't know. Maybe it is just to bait people in their own ranks. On the other hand, i do wonder what this must be doing to morale. Can't be good having jester Prigozhin go off on a wacky adventure every other week. this isnt some kind of ruse. what could putin possibly gain from shrek humiliating him and going all pugachev, that makes no sense at all
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Jun 24, 2023 21:14
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How is it not obvious to everyone else that this was a Putin's plot to replace the whole MOD upper management? I mean he didn't HAVE to do. Most other world leaders would have preferred to have a private talk with their minister of defense and ask him resign. But Putin is a weird guy and chose to do it this way.
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Putin must be really confident in the Ukraine counteroffense failing if he wanted to pull a loyalty test during the middle of it.
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