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How do you say Outer Heaven in Russian?
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Jun 24, 2023 21:09
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So, looks like there will be no speech... at all. "Putin will not make any further comment on the issue. The invasion of Ukraine will continue as normal."
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Jun 24, 2023 21:11
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:So, looks like there will be no speech... at all. "Putin will not make any further comment on the issue. The invasion of Ukraine will continue as normal." When everything is under control and going great 
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Jun 24, 2023 21:13
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:So, looks like there will be no speech... at all. "Putin will not make any further comment on the issue. The invasion of Ukraine will continue as normal." Where are you getting this from?
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Jun 24, 2023 21:14
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Deformed Church posted:Honestly Wagner shifting wholly to Africa sounds pretty decent for them? They'll probably build what essentially amounts to their own nation state out there. Once again, Hideo Kojima has successfully predicted the future.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:16
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:So, looks like there will be no speech... at all. "Putin will not make any further comment on the issue. The invasion of Ukraine will continue as normal." 
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Jun 24, 2023 21:17
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Where are you getting this from? Peskov apparently https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672694824120512512?s=20
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Jun 24, 2023 21:18
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1) The rebellion leader gets cold feet and looks like a dumb idiot after saying he'd replace the president and settling for scraps 2) The president flees the capital and appears like a dumb coward dealing with someone he just called a traitor 3) ??? I don't understand Russian politics.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:18
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Lukashenko comes over and says "look you two, stop fighting and make up" and Putin and Prigozhin look down, apologise and walk away.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:18
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https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672692778604670986
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Jun 24, 2023 21:18
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Jaxyon posted:Either way, the next six months will be critical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fTQClzea70
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Jun 24, 2023 21:19
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Prigozhin is going to hang out in Belarus, as per the Guardian's liveblog:quote:The Wagner mercenary force chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, will move to Belarus under the deal brokered by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko to end the armed mutiny that Prigozhin had led against Russia’s military leadership, the Kremlin said on Saturday night.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:21
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Thoughts on the situation from Anders Puck Nielsen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxDykKhCYAA Credit to him for getting a video out on this so quickly!
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Jun 24, 2023 21:21
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would be really hard to spin the legitimacy of this war to the russian people after all this. I know they'll try but like goddamn, poo poo is backfiring hardcore. like someone else said even if the coup fails civil war follows.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:22
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SixFigureSandwich posted:Prigozhin is going to hang out in Belarus, as per the Guardian's liveblog: It's really difficult to imagine Prigozhan still being alive six months from now.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:24
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Peskov apparently Thanks! Very weird ending, if that's what this is. Have to imagine there's a lot more happening behind the scenes, but I don't know if we'll ever find out what.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:24
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whydirt posted:How do you say Outer Heaven in Russian? "Vyshe Homiel", apparently. luka got some balls letting coup bro settle down in his backyard i envy whoever gets to play Peskov in the forthcoming Iannucci film. fuckin lol, after all this you trot out ol' sandy mustache?
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Jun 24, 2023 21:25
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My initial lukewarm take on what happened is that Prigo saw his position was untenable with these changes to how mercenaries were used by the MoD and launched this to get precisely what he got: a free ride out of town and the possibility of making his own little mercenary kingdom somewhere else. That Russia is totally destabilized didn't matter.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:27
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LifeSunDeath posted:would be really hard to spin the legitimacy of this war to the russian people after all this. I know they'll try but like goddamn, poo poo is backfiring hardcore. like someone else said even if the coup fails civil war follows. Yeah, everyone saw that the Russian troops won't shoot other Russian troops and might even join them, the security forces have nothing to stop a mechanized force, none of Russia's foreign allies will help them, and if someone can gather more than a division, they can advance toward the capitol without resistance. Also, Putin can blink.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:27
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Vox Nihili posted:It's really difficult to imagine Prigozhan still being alive six months from now. It's gonna be awkward when GRU and HUR try to assassinate him simultaneously.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:27
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"I think it's pretty clear what happened here"
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Jun 24, 2023 21:35
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Peskov apparently there was no coup and everything's fine, stop asking what a ridiculous 36 hours
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Jun 24, 2023 21:35
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So just to confirm, we still haven’t actually seen Putin? Does anybody else feel like that’s weird?
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Jun 24, 2023 21:38
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Xiahou Dun posted:So just to confirm, we still haven’t actually seen Putin? He spoke with the PM of Armenia since Wagner backed down apparently https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672677784555069440
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Jun 24, 2023 21:40
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Thoughtless posted:1) The rebellion leader gets cold feet and looks like a dumb idiot after saying he'd replace the president and settling for scraps Ever since the invasion kicked off I’ve learned that a lot of things that seem insane to westerners aren’t actually insane, because the actors are working within a system that has very strange rules and these backwards actions make sense in the context of that. And yeah on top of that people are fallible and no real decision is made without emotions entirely yadda yadda. But I have no idea where to begin with what happened here lol.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:41
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Like a real rockstar. The man of the people. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672703994710441984?s=20
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Jun 24, 2023 21:41
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Moon Slayer posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672692778604670986?t=hpCFDb2WEhrkxDzFoA0rAQ&s=19 No way a dictator agrees to terms like this unless he was 100% screwed otherwise
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Jun 24, 2023 21:43
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Like a real rockstar. The man of the people. A lot of Wagner soldiers have families in Rostov so not that surprising
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Jun 24, 2023 21:43
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Anders Puck Nielsen has a video up on this insanity https://youtu.be/ZxDykKhCYAA
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Jun 24, 2023 21:44
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FuturePastNow posted:No way a dictator agrees to terms like this unless he was 100% screwed otherwise I thought it was the entire point that nobody can tell you what to do if you’re a dictator, but maybe I was mistaken 🤔🤔🤔
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Jun 24, 2023 21:46
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Edit: Whoops, removed.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:47
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This is really fascinating. So Lukashenko turns out to be the honest broker. (Well, so far.)
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Jun 24, 2023 21:50
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Ynglaur posted:This is really fascinating. So Lukashenko turns out to be the honest broker. (Well, so far.) Lol till grampa mercenary man falls out a window onto some polonium or whatever
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Jun 24, 2023 21:52
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Man this had the potential to end this war in Ukraine. What a bummer. If only they had taken out some more attack helicopters.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:54
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This sure was a lot of effort just to win a ticket to exile and eventual assassination.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:56
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Looking at what actually happened and thinking about it...this might SORT of make a twisted sort of sense from Prighozin's perspective, maybe? Here's one possibility, anyways. So Prighozin learns that Wagner is going to get folded into the MoD proper. This is bad news for him, it means he loses his power base at best and is potentially at risk of his life at worst after all the poo poo that's gone down between him and the MoD. He decides that it's do or die time, and is aware from his position that Russia is potentially vulnerable to a coup. Great! Head for Moscow, sit in the top seat, problems solved, right? Except he's going to be taking over an administration staffed entirely by Putin creatures which he can't possibly easily purge or replace in a short time. He'll have no real legitimacy other than power by gunpoint, except the only guns he can truly count on to the end are the very small force that is Wagner - meanwhile, he'll have ensured lasting beef between him and the Ministry of Defense, i.e. the guys with all the guns. He definitely WON'T have Putin's control over the FSB and other security services that Putin used to keep people loyal to him, and he'll have just blazed a great big shining example of how someone can overthrow a Russian leader. Even if he could overcome such internal issues, he's also going to be in charge of a pariah state locked in an unwinnable quagmire war groaning under international sanctions which, even if he was Putin's designated successor in a peaceful handover of power, is hardly an attractive prospect. So yes, he COULD potentially take over Russia, but it'd be an open question how long he could hold it, and it'll be a lot harder for him to find a way out once he's sitting in that top seat. It's not an attractive option, but it might look better than the alternative of waiting to die. But what if there was another alternative? What if he used the open THREAT of a coup to force Putin to allow him to decamp somewhere with as much of his personal wealth and power as he can carry, hopefully to a country where he can be safe (would Luka have taken Prigozhin in if he'd just deserted Wagner one night?), all while causing enough chaos at home that Putin's hopefully too busy trying to fight off other coups to worry too much about assassinating Prigozhin? Heck, if someone ELSE takes over, that might even allow him to come back to Russia and claim to have been fighting against Putin all along, maybe slot into the new power structure and dynamic in a less high-stakes position than the actual top seat. Maybe that was the plan all along, maybe it was something Luka suggested as a way out of Prigozhin's dilemma. Or maybe I'm just talking out my rear end, I dunno. But you can SORTA see how the actions so far might make a certain kind of sense if you assume that Prigozhin is entirely in it for number one and number one alone, and he doesn't actually view leadership of Russia as a desirable goal, just at best better than some of the alternatives. Maybe this is genuinely the best way he can see to getting himself out of the hole he was in before without jumping into a newer, bigger hole with more spikes in it? Or maybe 24 hours from now he'll just say "Nope talks fell through sneaky treacherous Putin onwards to Moscow after all!" I really have no clue. Just because it sorta makes a certain kind of cock-eyed sense doesn't mean it makes a lot of sense.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:56
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EmployeeOfTheMonth posted:Man this had the potential to end this war in Ukraine. What a bummer. If only they had taken out some more attack helicopters. Kind of feel bad for the Ukrainians that might have had some small hope that this might somehow end the invasion.
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Jun 24, 2023 22:00
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Wonder if Luka wants some muscle (of questionable loyalty) or it's just a lot stop before going back to looting Africa? https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1672695982423678977
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Jun 24, 2023 22:02
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hell of a retirement plan priggy's got
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Jun 24, 2023 22:05
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FuturePastNow posted:No way a dictator agrees to terms like this unless he was 100% screwed otherwise That sounds like it was already planned and some sort of compromise for Wagner joining MOD. Maybe the mutiny was just an elaborate attempt to get
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