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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:putins entire image in russia was built on being the guy who brought Russia out of the political and economic chaos of the 90s. what happened the last few days was about as chaotic as it gets. that there was enough dissatisfaction with him that thousands of russians were willing to risk their life to follow prigozhin in committing treason and revolt is also not a good sign. Too bad about those millions of other Russians from generals and governors to loud mouth telegrammers declaring publicly that they're behind Putin.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:03
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Delta-Wye posted:
remember how one of the biggest economic arguments for wars being over because Neoliberalism is the greatest thing ever is how no country that has a mcdonalds has ever gone to war with another country that has a mcdonalds and then this happened and whoops it turns out they just replace the mcdonalds. who could have ever possibly seen this coming
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Jun 25, 2023 21:06
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a lot of people in Russia are aware that the war is not going according to plan and are not happy about it, but for a variety of reasons it is not possible to be publicly anti-war (fear of appearing defeatist, fear of the return of the 90s, desire to support “our guys” etc.). Prigozhin was a major war critic from the only direction where that’s still possible i.e. we’re not kicking rear end hard enough, not because of the quality of the Russian soldier or vova’s leadership but because of corrupt, incompetent generals. that’s what made him so popular. he was probably trying to thread that needle in his mutiny and didn’t expect Putin to call it treason, which meant that he was no longer just acting against the bad boyars but now directly against the good tsar. once that happened his whole thesis basically collapsed and it was coup or surrender, and he wasn’t prepared to (or, I think, interested in) coup.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:07
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OctaMurk posted:prigozhin marched on the russian capitol to prove that he could march on other capitols, if he was paid enough
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Jun 25, 2023 21:08
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https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1672629532220596224 https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1672780234880327683 It's going to turn out that the same guys who believed that the Russians were so weak that the NATO-trained Ukrainians just had to slava their way to victory into a minefield are also the same guys who thought the Russians are on the cusp of welcoming their new rules based order warlord.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:09
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Ardennes posted:Nice to know Muslims picked up wearing beards from Americans. they're making fun of american operator culture there
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Jun 25, 2023 21:09
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No two countries with a Vkusno I Tochka have ever gone to war.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:10
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insane clown pussy posted:they're making fun of american operator culture there It was how the tweet was phrased. Also, I think the OP has done its job so far.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:11
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Neurolimal posted:I'm staying faithful, Lukashenko threatened to send his belarusian farmer-snipers after prigo from the rear if he decided to keep going minnesota farmer-sniper party
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Jun 25, 2023 21:12
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OctaMurk posted:No two countries with a Vkusno I Tochka have ever gone to war. Томас Фридман
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Jun 25, 2023 21:13
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Grapplejack posted:remember how one of the biggest economic arguments for wars being over because Neoliberalism is the greatest thing ever is how no country that has a mcdonalds has ever gone to war with another country that has a mcdonalds serbia had mcdonalds since 1988 pakistan had mcdonalds since 1998 probably more examples
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Jun 25, 2023 21:13
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Officer Sandvich posted:Maybe Moscow could have been toppled with 25.000 mercenaries? No way there were 25k mercs trucking to Moscow. How long of a convoy would that form? 25 miles at least right? The videos we saw of Wagner was of them traveling single file and along a single highway. I don't think we saw them them with more than a few hundred vehicles. It's an impressive show of force to be sure but no where close to 25,000.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:15
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:putins entire image in russia was built on being the guy who brought Russia out of the political and economic chaos of the 90s. what happened the last few days was about as chaotic as it gets. that there was enough dissatisfaction with him that thousands of russians were willing to risk their life to follow prigozhin in committing treason and revolt is also not a good sign. yeah the whole opportunity was presented because foundationally putin opened this seam between himself and the military arm of the russian state by having this war with calamitous losses. it took way less for soldiers to continously gently caress up their superiors in vietnam
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Jun 25, 2023 21:23
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Best Friends posted:there is a big difference between ‘living in terror’ and something being actually good. to take your example, Jan 6 was an actual, measurable drag on the republican party in the following midterms that they should have cleaned up in. I get saying that this is a decent outcome of a bad situation, sure. positioning this situation as an actual positive is, however, loving wild. they got destroyed because the jebusfreak yahoos finally completed their generational project of revoking abortion rights lol.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:27
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prig was offering more of the same, so he really can't have garned support. no to mention most ppl wouldn't particular believe he could do better than the P man. so at best soldiers would be like yeah whatever and let em by. hes sorta an expression of a discontent that exist, but not a solution.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:28
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1672795483712913410
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Jun 25, 2023 21:34
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i don't think the force prigozhin was bringing to moscow would have any chance in a pitched battle against whatever the government managed to fly in. they could probably have turned downtown rostov into a battlefield, but my guess is that the wagner guys would've folded pretty quickly once it became clear that it was hopeless still, getting prigozhin to back down without this happening was an optimal solution - it would have been better had the guy outright surrendered, but he had enough leverage to get out of this, playing on putin's general aversion to risk. it was still an enormously dangerous thing to do
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Jun 25, 2023 21:35
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Chillgamesh posted:support our troops
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Jun 25, 2023 21:37
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elon's right
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/Stanovaya/status/1672991911538196482?s=20 tldr: he worked himself into multiple shoots
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Jun 25, 2023 21:41
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:putins entire image in russia was built on being the guy who brought Russia out of the political and economic chaos of the 90s. what happened the last few days was about as chaotic as it gets. that there was enough dissatisfaction with him that thousands of russians were willing to risk their life to follow prigozhin in committing treason and revolt is also not a good sign. Did they? We have no idea how many dudes joined in on this. At best we have poo poo from people on Twitter saying the Convoy was betwee. 150-400 vehicles, thats a huge discrepancy to be able.to figure out what happened. In all pf this we have to remember how loving unreliable Twitter is, because remember all those posts about heres pictures of Pierogi with all these military officers joining his side, Civil War in Russia poo poo?
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Jun 25, 2023 21:41
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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672163267479781383?cxt=HHwWjoC2ybvo27QuAAAA The shibas seem very excited by this new toy.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:41
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Officer Sandvich posted:Realities like the fact that there are no Nazis to save the Ukrainians from, lol
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Jun 25, 2023 21:43
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KomradeX posted:Did they? We have no idea how many dudes joined in on this. At best we have poo poo from people on Twitter saying the Convoy was betwee. 150-400 vehicles, thats a huge discrepancy to be able.to figure out what happened. In all pf this we have to remember how loving unreliable Twitter is, because remember all those posts about heres pictures of Pierogi with all these military officers joining his side, Civil War in Russia poo poo? there are plenty of videos and reports showing the size of the convoy heading toward moscow, etc. prig kept on saying 25k but all the reports seemed to estimate about 5k each in the two forces. if it was just several hundred men Putin would not have bothered negotiating.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:44
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KomradeX posted:Did they? We have no idea how many dudes joined in on this. At best we have poo poo from people on Twitter saying the Convoy was betwee. 150-400 vehicles, thats a huge discrepancy to be able.to figure out what happened. In all pf this we have to remember how loving unreliable Twitter is, because remember all those posts about heres pictures of Pierogi with all these military officers joining his side, Civil War in Russia poo poo? The Russian government was deadly afraid of a couple hundred guys and their trucks. Sheng-Ji Yang posted:there are plenty of videos and reports showing the size of the convoy heading toward moscow, etc. prig kept on saying 25k but all the reports seemed to estimate about 5k each in the two forces. if it was just several hundred men Putin would not have bothered negotiating. Hmmm
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Jun 25, 2023 21:48
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insane clown pussy posted:they're making fun of american operator culture there The whole reason operators started wearing beards in the first place was there was about a week in November 2001 where it was decided that western SF would have low visibility.  So they were literally supposed to look like muslims. Then, like LLRPs and SOG in Vietnam wearing tiger stripe because that's what the ARVN they were partnered with wore, it became idk a self-perpetuating aesthetic. Those black fleece coats and oakleys were part of the original SF look, so were pakols, but then the west gave up on low visibility, but flouting grooming regulations was too valuable to self-image to give up, I guess.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:48
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:there are plenty of videos and reports showing the size of the convoy heading toward moscow, etc. prig kept on saying 25k but all the reports seemed to estimate about 5k each in the two forces. if it was just several hundred men Putin would not have bothered negotiating. Capitulation is when you peacefully prevail over the guys stuck 200km from the capital on a highway and get everything you want but the head of the leader who miscalculated heavily.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:50
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:if it was just several hundred men Putin would not have bothered negotiating. ur right, he delegated to luka
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Jun 25, 2023 21:50
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Raskolnikov38 posted:tldr: he worked himself into multiple shoots yep
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Jun 25, 2023 21:50
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1673052618656997377
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Ardennes posted:The Russian government was deadly afraid of a couple hundred guys and their trucks. Vladimir... Trudeau??? 
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Jun 25, 2023 21:54
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Danann posted:Capitulation is when you peacefully prevail over the guys stuck 200km from the capital on a highway and get everything you want but the head of the leader who miscalculated heavily. where did i say capitulation? it is a bit humiliating to let a guy walk free you just accused on TV of being a stab in the back traitor, but otherwise it was a victory for putin in that situation.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:55
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(Ukraine take note) https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1673048862938873856
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Jun 25, 2023 21:58
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Btw, it was shot down right on the Ukrainian border near Luhansk, away from the highway.
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Jun 25, 2023 21:59
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Ardennes posted:Btw, it was shot down right on the Ukrainian border near Luhansk, away from the highway. Well, in Voronezh oblast, one of the places the columns moved through, but yes: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1673054353102454786
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Jun 25, 2023 22:02
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sum posted:(Ukraine take note) yes how foolish of Russia to not… carpet bomb a civilian highway filled with civilians
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Jun 25, 2023 22:02
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"Ukraine take note" lol yeah I wonder what would happen if they tried that 
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Jun 25, 2023 22:04
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Majorian posted:Well, in Voronezh oblast, one of the places the columns moved through, but yes: Yeah, it’s an entire oblast and a Manpad isn’t going to hit that high and I don’t think I saw them setting up an entire SAM system.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:where did i say capitulation? it is a bit humiliating to let a guy walk free you just accused on TV of being a stab in the back traitor, but otherwise it was a victory for putin in that situation. Humiliation as declared by western publications and social media is an incredibly worthless outside of the west hth.
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