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Arsenic Lupin posted:St. Kilda is 40 miles from the nearest land. quote:quote: St. Kill Ya more like
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Sounds like a good place for a Scottish version of Father Ted
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Jun 24, 2023 20:43
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Arsenic Lupin posted:St. Kilda is 40 miles from the nearest land. Why the gently caress did people go there in the first place 
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Jun 24, 2023 23:01
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Alhazred posted:Why the gently caress did people go there in the first place They've been settled since the bronze age, probably because there was food and mostly safe from raiders, but it's not the kind of journey you could do alone. Communication to the main land was by tying your message to a small float and hoping it washed up in Scotland rather than Norway. Travelling there would mean a significant percentage of the able-bodied population agreeing to row with you, assuming the weather was even good enough and you weren't gonna get stuck there for months. There are four islands in the chain but people mostly lived on Hirta. Soay, Boreray, and Dùn weren't much more than rocks and only had temporary populations if islanders went over for harvesting seabirds or sheep and got stuck there due to weather. The record was three men and eight boys stuck on the even smaller Stac an Armin for 9 months when a smallpox outbreak stopped any boats leaving Hirta. The definitive book on this stuff is Life and Death of St Kilda by Tom Steel. A beautiful and melancholy read. Kilda has been on my visit list since I read it as a kid, but even getting to the Hebridies is a trek and then you have to get an military approved tour out to Hirta as there's an active radar base which is the only structure still inhabited. If you're interested in premodern island life then it's also worth checking out a 1930s film called Man of Aran which is about similar islands off the coast of Ireland. Mostly composed of posed pseudodocumentary footage, but beautiful. There's a re-release with accompanying score by the band Sea Power.
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Jun 24, 2023 23:33
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Milo and POTUS posted:It woulda been cool if he went missing and there was an olde timey investigator to search for him and woops everybody is a suspect SummerisleSummerisleSummerisleSummerisle
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Jun 25, 2023 00:49
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darkwasthenight posted:The definitive book on this stuff is Life and Death of St Kilda by Tom Steel. A beautiful and melancholy read. Kilda has been on my visit list since I read it as a kid, but even getting to the Hebrides is a trek and then you have to get an military approved tour out to Hirta as there's an active radar base which is the only structure still inhabited.
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Jun 25, 2023 01:12
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Alhazred posted:I feel like that if you know about boats it's entirely on you if you decide to stay on Misery Island. but enough about the anglo-danes 
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Jun 25, 2023 01:41
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darkwasthenight posted:If you're interested in premodern island life then it's also worth checking out a 1930s film called Man of Aran which is about similar islands off the coast of Ireland. Mostly composed of posed pseudodocumentary footage, but beautiful. There's a re-release with accompanying score by the band Sea Power. Man of Aran is great, as is the score from Sea Power (a bunch of which was reused for Disco Elysium) but thing that gets me is that even accounting for the posed/staged/actively fabricated stuff, Inishmore was a cosmopolitan paradise compared to St Kilda. Didn’t have St Kilda’s freakishly high rate of infant tetanus either, which must have seemed like a genuine curse to the islanders.
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Jun 25, 2023 12:29
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GhastlyBizness posted:Man of Aran is great, as is the score from Sea Power (a bunch of which was reused for Disco Elysium) but thing that gets me is that even accounting for the posed/staged/actively fabricated stuff, Inishmore was a cosmopolitan paradise compared to St Kilda. Didn’t have St Kilda’s freakishly high rate of infant tetanus either, which must have seemed like a genuine curse to the islanders. On the plus side, the werewolf attacks seems to be decreasing and there's only been two ritualistic murders this year.
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Jun 25, 2023 13:25
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Im surprised it hasnt become a haven or potential choice of settlement for a libertarian 'utopia' project. It sounds like everything they'd ever want.
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Jun 25, 2023 17:34
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It's too far away even for Libertarians. I imagine there's not much internet, and then what's the point.
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Jun 25, 2023 18:21
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The Death of Thomas Britton, a London coal merchant and patron of music c. 1700. "Known as the musical small coal man, and for his extra ordinary acquirements in chymistry, music, and knowledge of books":quote:In September 1714, Justice Robe, a Middlesex magistrate, decided to play a practical joke on the superstitious Britton. He employed a ventriloquist named Honeyman to project his voice and tell Britton that his end was near and that he should fall to his knees and repeat the Lord's Prayer. The elderly Britton did so, and was so affected that he died within a couple of days.[3] He was buried at St James's Church, Clerkenwell on 1 October 1714, his funeral attracting a large crowd. [5]
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Jun 25, 2023 18:25
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I think the problem was Justice Robe
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Jun 25, 2023 19:06
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I felt that the villainy of an old-timey magistrate named Justice Robe was self-evident. I expected better of Honeyman
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Jun 25, 2023 19:15
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GhastlyBizness posted:Man of Aran is great, as is the score from Sea Power I was about to Well Actually you both on the band's name but then looked it up and found that British Sea Power had their own personal Brexit and dropped the British in 2021 to avoid any associations with nationalism, the actual Brexit and probably Eric Clapton.
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Jun 25, 2023 19:28
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canyoneer posted:I was about to Well Actually you both on the band's name but then looked it up and found that British Sea Power had their own personal Brexit and dropped the British in 2021 to avoid any associations with nationalism, the actual Brexit and probably Eric Clapton. Good for them.
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Jun 25, 2023 20:50
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Zeniel posted:Im surprised it hasnt become a haven or potential choice of settlement for a libertarian 'utopia' project. It sounds like everything they'd ever want. It's a bit remote even for them. The batshit breakaway state has been at the other end of the country in the North Sea since the 60s: Principality of Sealand. It's been there so long it even had a civil war. quote:1978 attack and Sealand Rebel Government The platform is no longer occupied since the death of Prince Roy, but his heir Prince Michael still manages Sealand operations from the family farm on the mainland.
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Jun 26, 2023 00:06
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darkwasthenight posted:It's a bit remote even for them. The batshit breakaway state has been at the other end of the country in the North Sea since the 60s: Principality of Sealand. It's been there so long it even had a civil war. Or would it be enclave. Anyway I can't wait until they start claiming other territory, starting with the maunsell forts
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Jun 26, 2023 01:24
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Zeniel posted:Im surprised it hasnt become a haven or potential choice of settlement for a libertarian 'utopia' project. It sounds like everything they'd ever want. I looked up the smallest island nations as worldbuilding for a shadowrun game. I wanted to have a megacorp CEO buy a nation so he'd have legal immunity. Then i saw on wikipedia that a couple billionaire brothers had tried to buy the country already
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Jun 26, 2023 02:39
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Arsenic Lupin posted:St. Kilda, way out in the Hebrides off Scotland, was inhabited way back to the Bronze age, maybe to the Neolithic age. It's desolate, the soil's poor, and you don't (didn't) get many visitors. Peak known population was in the late 1700s, maybe 180 people. Silly St. Kilda fact. It's also the name of a beachside suburb in Melbourne. Home to an AFL football team who last won the Premiership in 1966.
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Jun 26, 2023 03:30
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BrigadierSensible posted:Silly St. Kilda fact.
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Jun 26, 2023 03:45
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Only bad thing I remember from Inishmore is the ticks, there were lots of em
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Jun 26, 2023 04:10
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Another fun fact about St Kilda is that it isnt even named after a saint. Since there is no Saint Kilda and I guess nobody called Kilda. I think it was supposed to have etymological roots with an old word for a shield in some language or something. Its 4am so im tired. So the next time you're at St Kilda beach be sure to correct everyone around you that in fact St Kilda isn't real and it should probably just be called 'The Beach'. Riches and praise await you.
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Jun 27, 2023 21:15
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Alhazred posted:A fun historical fact: There's historical finds that suggest that Scandinavia were the victims of a bronze embargo during the bronze age that lasted for centuries. The ones responsible for it was the unetice culture who rose to prominens in 2200 BC. They had pretty much a monopoly on bronze trade and while the rest of Europe received plenty of bronze during that period, Scandinavia for some reason didn't. There's even been found flint daggers in Denmark made to resemble bronze daggers: This would appear to be the mother of all arbitrage opportunities.
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Jun 28, 2023 00:26
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been thinkin about the HL Hunley ever since the big millionaire submarine last week world's first submarine ever deployed in war sank with all hands, including her namesake Horace Hunley during testing got refloated to really give it to the yankee spoiler alert: got one hit on the sloop USS Housatonic with the instant loss of everyone on board Hunley. when it was found and raised again more than a century later, the bones were still in position as they had been while they unfortunately rammed a lovely torpedo into a decent boat and got instantly brainsplattered half the crew was danish, british, and german, as befits a hearty lmfao find a better boat and a better cause you euro freaks
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Jun 28, 2023 00:33
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It's funny to laugh at and I think it'd be a better accomplishment if it were for a better cause
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Jun 28, 2023 04:46
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:been thinkin about the HL Hunley ever since the big millionaire submarine last week quote:a spar torpedo—a copper cylinder containing 135 poundsof black powder—was attached to a 22-foot long wooden spar. The spar torpedo would be jammed in the target's side by ramming, and then detonated by a mechanical trigger attached to the submarine by a line, so that as she backed away from her target, the torpedo would set off. quote:However, archaeologists working on Hunley discovered evidence that the torpedo had no barbs, and was designed to explode on contact as it was pushed against an enemy vessel at close range.
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Platystemon posted:This would appear to be the mother of all arbitrage opportunities. And to start, you just need to order some good quality copper...
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canyoneer posted:I was about to Well Actually you both on the band's name but then looked it up and found that British Sea Power had their own personal Brexit and dropped the British in 2021 to avoid any associations with nationalism, the actual Brexit and probably Eric Clapton. Yep! I get that the original name was supposed to be ironic and redolent of faded empire, etc but still, fair play to them.
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in the spirit of freedom's birthday you know John Paul Jones of "I have not yet begun to fight" fame? in addition to serving the british and US navies he served the Imperial Russian Navy he was exiled from Russia for rape, and his failed defense was "she was 12, not 10" he died in his own piss and vomit in a lovely parisien apartment, after several failed attempts to get back into the russian navy, but russian sailors refused to serve under him because his being a disgusting nonce was well-known just in case anyone still thought any of the original crop of US heroes were more than the worst human beings you can imagine they are all awful Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 21:57 on Jul 4, 2023 |
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Jul 4, 2023 21:48
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Wow that's rough, but he plays a pretty tight bass line tho
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
Then explain Tadeusz Kościuszko 
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Then explain Tadeusz Kościuszko ok fair enough him and afaik John Adams get to be the exceptions that prove the rule everyone else is a rogues gallery of the worst people
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Jul 4, 2023 23:44
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:in the spirit of freedom's birthday I was thinking, "huh there's something about this name that's ringing a bell, but nothing you are saying makes any sense to me." Turns out I was thinking about James Earl Jones.
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Jul 5, 2023 09:38
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John Paul Jones was also a notorious unionbuster. “I may sink, but I’ll be damned if I strike.” In context, lowering the flag as a symbol of surrender.
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Jul 5, 2023 09:48
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Ben Franklin seems all right, if you’re willing to overlook that he was at one point a slave owner before becoming an abolitionist.
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Jul 5, 2023 17:45
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christmas boots posted:Ben Franklin seems all right, if you’re willing to overlook that he was at one point a slave owner before becoming an abolitionist. Oh no
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christmas boots posted:Ben Franklin seems all right, if you’re willing to overlook that he was at one point a slave owner before becoming an abolitionist. A decent person has never owned a person.
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Jul 5, 2023 19:04
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well the research I did for a report on John Paul Jones in my 5th grade library did not turn up any underage rapes made his head out of a light bulb
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Ben Franklin published his cave dwelling dwarf friend's abolitionist pamphlet which makes him basically even.
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