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Give the players an 70% share of the revenue, drop the super max to 20% salary cap. Let all who ball prosper.
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How dire is Phoenix’s fill out the rest of the roster situation? https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1673365594635382784?s=20
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Jun 26, 2023 18:16
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Metapod posted:They're finally accepting dame will get traded let them cope 
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Jun 26, 2023 18:20
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The NBA as constructed has the least amount of Parity of any major sport when it comes to who wins championships. Any given season there are roughly like 4 teams that have any shot at winning a title. Occasionally a team surprises, but yeah. The NBA is like the most have/have not league already. The Puppy Bowl posted:Give the players an 70% share of the revenue, drop the super max to 20% salary cap. Let all who ball prosper. Hmm I will accept this. Honestly gently caress it make it a player owned league
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Jun 26, 2023 18:21
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It’s mostly the result of roster spots/talent scarcity though. I would hate if it got titled even more to superteams with huge budgets
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Jun 26, 2023 18:26
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Take the Warriors. They are not a traditional powerhouse, like at all. Yea they’re a dynasty now but their FO is a bunch of fart huffers who got lucky. When that dynasty is over they’re going to get as much attention as the Spurs post Duncan and pre Wemby
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Jun 26, 2023 18:29
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Hell the loving Cavs, Bucks, Dallas, Heat, Denver, Detroit in the 2000’s, Milwaukee, all these teams. NBA rules why the hell would you want to see NY and LA every year Edit: Chicago, Houston, list just keeps going. gently caress Boston too btw
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Jun 26, 2023 18:31
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It's not like the current ownership groups of teams are the only rich people interested in owing basketball teams, nor the richest. I'd rather see more teams owned by groups willing to spend than have an MLB situation where a bunch of the owners are unbelievable cheapskates milking fan nostalgia with their poo poo product (yes, I do know a lot of Oakland A's fans, why do you ask). Re: the Warriors, their ownership is nowhere near the richest in the NBA. They got lucky with drafting (and an improbably favorable cap hike/free agency situation), and as a result their franchise skyrocketed in value. Reinvesting some of that windfall in talent (especially drafted talent) is a much better use of the money than pocketing it imo.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:35
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Best way to stop superteams is to like make it so teams can actually pay players what they are worth and not artificially capping their pay. The best players realized that if they are gonna get a max anyway, and their shoe deals and whatever else pay more than their NBA salaries, they go where it's fun, or they can take advantage of other opportunities. Talent is still gonna always consolidate. It's just now owners are able to be cheap while letting it consolidate into a handful of teams.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:36
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Go Cavs
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i am a moron posted:It’s mostly the result of roster spots/talent scarcity though. I would hate if it got titled even more to superteams with huge budgets Yeah I don't see how you increase parity given how big of a difference one player makes. No other major sport has a single player making that much of a swing, with the possible exception of football but then only for QBs.
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Dexo posted:Best way to stop superteams is to like make it so teams can actually pay players what they are worth I don’t think this is going to turn out the way you’re hypothesizing. Like at all. The rest of what you’re saying isn’t really true - teams can very organically come together through the draft that have championship windows. It’s also true that free agency and player leverage allows some of that to happen, but we literally just saw a championship team break through without it. Edit: and the Warriors would still have some championships even if they’re ring chasers werent, like, Iggy
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Jun 26, 2023 18:39
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https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1673078027645861891?s=19 Jesus Christ
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Jun 26, 2023 18:41
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go big AND go home, go wolves 
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Jun 26, 2023 18:44
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verbal enema posted:https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1673078027645861891?s=19 When the NBA zigs, you zag - the ghost of David Kahn
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Jun 26, 2023 18:45
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if its bad idea post time, i propose removing all drug testing. i want stimmed up space marines playing basketball
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Jun 26, 2023 18:45
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NO! NO! NOT THIS GUY!!!!!! https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1673386654373928960?s=20
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Jun 26, 2023 18:46
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I'm pretty sure the reason Brooklyn made Bridges "untouchable" in negotiations with Portland is their desire to trade for Dame. The Nets were only 11-18 (I think) after the Durant trade, but they don't seem interested in a rebuild. Dame is a top-3, by some measurements the best, offensive player in the league. The Nets are easily a contender in a weak eastern conference. I could see the compromise being the Blazers take back Simmons contract rather than the good role players to help Dame with the Nets. It times out to where the Blazers will have a lot of cap space before the Scoot / Sharpe extensions to sign the supporting pieces (or trade for one using Simmons expiring next year). I still think the Blazers will re-sign Grant, ship Simons + Little + Stuff for a wing or big, sign another good piece with the MLE, and give it the start of the year. Scoot is an incredible prospect and if he clicks with Dame early then the Blazers window opens up again.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:46
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R.D. Mangles posted:NO! NO! NOT THIS GUY!!!!!! finally, lauri's gonna have some help
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Jun 26, 2023 18:48
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Dexo posted:Alternatively, you loving spend money to compete, sell your loving team to someone who will, Or you get good at finding players. Literally the entire league becomes Cali, Texas, New York and Florida with 8 teams each. See: the concentration of teams in every single Euro soccer league where money rules.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:49
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R.D. Mangles posted:NO! NO! NOT THIS GUY!!!!!!  this reminds me last year when some Atlanta Hawks beat writer or blogger or whoever came on a Kings pod and said Collins + #14 for Barnes + #4 was a fair deal because #14 was about as good as Barnes and Collins was about as good as #4
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Jun 26, 2023 18:49
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R.D. Mangles posted:NO! NO! NOT THIS GUY!!!!!! Rudy Gay is still on the books wtf
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Dexo posted:Best way to stop superteams is to like make it so teams can actually pay players what they are worth and not artificially capping their pay. The best players realized that if they are gonna get a max anyway, and their shoe deals and whatever else pay more than their NBA salaries, they go where it's fun, or they can take advantage of other opportunities. My solution to this problem is to have one designated roster spot per team that does not count towards the salary cap. Lets at least the top players get their actual value and prevents super teams because all the best players are going to want to be on their own team so they can get the big, big bucks.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:51
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apparently the reason why John Collins can't shoot anymore is because of his finger seriously, google John Collins finger. I'm not posting that because it's some dire stuff
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Jun 26, 2023 18:51
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ChickenMedium posted:My solution to this problem is to have one designated roster spot per team that does not count towards the salary cap. Lets at least the top players get their actual value and prevents super teams because all the best players are going to want to be on their own team so they can get the big, big bucks. This is an idea I don't hate.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:54
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ChickenMedium posted:My solution to this problem is to have one designated roster spot per team that does not count towards the salary cap. Lets at least the top players get their actual value and prevents super teams because all the best players are going to want to be on their own team so they can get the big, big bucks. imagine how much worse Beals contract could be.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:55
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Probably a dumb idea but I’ve always felt if you have a players bird rights you should be able to pay them them whatever but only a % of the salary (say 75%) counts towards cap.
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Calidus posted:imagine how much worse Beals contract could be. Beal's contract(when he's healthy) is probably around right. It's the like Luka's, Durant's, Steph's, Lebron's, Davis's etc etc who are getting hosed on getting paid what they are actually worth, as far as what they are bringing to a team.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:57
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R.D. Mangles posted:NO! NO! NOT THIS GUY!!!!!! Do the Jazz actually have any roster need for a John Collins or is this purely a Danny Ainge wheeling and dealing special?
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Jun 26, 2023 18:59
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I always felt like John Collins got unfairly scapegoated in Atlanta (until he forgot how to shoot this past season) but I don't really understand a team with Lauri Markkanen trading for him I guess the price is cheap enough that it doesn't really matter though
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Danny Ainge's entire thing is collecting a bunch of role players that some championship team might eventually want, to fleece that team, and then use the spoils from that fleecing to build the team. it would not shock me if he flips Collins/Lauri/others this trade deadline for more younger promising prospects/picks edit vvvvv: Or yeah like below, tries to fleece some team and fails.
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Jun 26, 2023 19:03
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Collins is about to be the centerpiece of 5-10 Danny Ainge "Godfather" Offers
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Papes posted:Probably a dumb idea but I’ve always felt if you have a players bird rights you should be able to pay them them whatever but only a % of the salary (say 75%) counts towards cap. Bird Rights should mean the player's salary is determined by Larry Bird
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the question is not if we will find out about wacky trades the jazz could make with collins, but who is the best player they will insist they almost had
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Papes posted:Probably a dumb idea but I’ve always felt if you have a players bird rights you should be able to pay them them whatever but only a % of the salary (say 75%) counts towards cap. I could see it working where the player could sign for whatever amount, but the hit to the salary cap is whatever a normal "max" contract would be for that player. That salary cap number is what is used for when that player is traded. It would also mean that, if the player is traded, they would no longer get that money above the salary cap number, so they lose big bucks if traded. One player with this chad-max per team, non-transferable, comes with NTC.
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pseudodragon posted:Literally the entire league becomes Cali, Texas, New York and Florida with 8 teams each. See: the concentration of teams in every single Euro soccer league where money rules. Yeah, no cap feels like an invitation to what happens in MLB. It was my first love as a sport but after watching my beloved Twins basically end up as part of the farm system for the top teams, I gave up on following them day to day. I have no doubt that such a system would be better for the few players for whom a supermax contract is underpaying and for bigger market teams but if the NBA ever went in that direction, I would seriously question why, as a small to medium market fan I would ever get invested in a team.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:the question is not if we will find out about wacky trades the jazz could make with collins, but who is the best player they will insist they almost had Calling my shot, rumors about KAT being available, and like Utah being in those talks with Collins or Lauri.
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The draft should not exist in a salary cap league imo. Get rid of it, and also in the NHL and also the NFL and also get rid of the NFL.
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Kibner posted:I could see it working where the player could sign for whatever amount, but the hit to the salary cap is whatever a normal "max" contract would be for that player. That salary cap number is what is used for when that player is traded. It would also mean that, if the player is traded, they would no longer get that money above the salary cap number, so they lose big bucks if traded. One player with this chad-max per team, non-transferable, comes with NTC. Nah, I don't like the idea of players not getting paid money they were promised, Something more along the lines of you trade a player they get paid everything, but the extra money is no longer off the cap. It puts the onus on the team's trading for the cap exception player to have the space, and makes them feel the pain and deal with the consequences. Azathoth posted:Yeah, no cap feels like an invitation to what happens in MLB. It was my first love as a sport but after watching my beloved Twins basically end up as part of the farm system for the top teams, I gave up on following them day to day. Owner problem, not the problem of paying players what they are worth. Nationals Owners are rich as gently caress and their asses still trade away their good players. A's ownership isn't poor and they are out here spending pennies. Reinsdorf is also rich as gently caress but runs his team as if he's in loving Des Moines, Iowa. Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:The draft should not exist in a salary cap league imo. Get rid of it, and also in the NHL and also the NFL and also get rid of the NFL. 
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Bird Rights should mean the player's salary is determined by Larry Bird And when he dies, teams use a basketball theme Ouija board with little hoop paperweight as the planchette
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