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Has there ever been a right-wing media figure in marvel comics fomenting violence toward mutants? I remember that guy in the 90s cartoon with the whiney voice who was always like, “oh no, disgusting muu-tants!” but nothing from the Claremont era, which is the only one I know. I guess he was a little early for the talk radio boom.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Has there ever been a right-wing media figure in marvel comics fomenting violence toward mutants? I remember that guy in the 90s cartoon with the whiney voice who was always like, “oh no, disgusting muu-tants!” but nothing from the Claremont era, which is the only one I know. I guess he was a little early for the talk radio boom.
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TGG posted:I love Something Awful, it's the best loving community, seek professional help
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I AM GRANDO posted:Has there ever been a right-wing media figure in marvel comics fomenting violence toward mutants? I remember that guy in the 90s cartoon with the whiney voice who was always like, “oh no, disgusting muu-tants!” but nothing from the Claremont era, which is the only one I know. I guess he was a little early for the talk radio boom. Senator Kelly. Who has always looked suspiciously like Mike Pence but I suspect no one knew who he was in the 80's
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Name a sort of right wing demagogue figure and they've been antagonists in X-Men books: televangelists, politicians, strongmen/dictators, political action committees, informal militias, formal militias, television and radio hosts, PR/corporate lobbyists, overreaching government agencies, billionaires, pop stars turned political figures, you name it. More often than not, they end up turning into cyborgs or demons or genetically modified nanotech monsters because it's comics. In the current Krakoa era, they've all sort of congealed into ORCHIS, which has subdivisions doing science/weapons, PR/influence/lobbying, political alliances, etc. etc. all with the goal of demonizing and/or destroying mutants. Maybe because he's such an enduring character, but within the comics at least they've always taken pains over the years to have J. Jonah Jameson be a staunch defender of civil rights, diversity, and civil liberties, standing up for real-life marginalized groups as well as mutants, it's just that he can't loving stand Spider-Man*. Which makes him turning into Bill O'Reilly or Alex Jones or etc. in film and video games funny, if jarring. * He's also even friends with Spider-Man for the past several years, but even when he hated Spider-Man and was hiring cyborg monsters to expose that webslinging menace, he'd fire bigots and write op-eds defending mutants and etc. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jun 25, 2023 |
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Jun 25, 2023 20:58
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I AM GRANDO posted:Has there ever been a right-wing media figure in marvel comics fomenting violence toward mutants? I remember that guy in the 90s cartoon with the whiney voice who was always like, “oh no, disgusting muu-tants!” but nothing from the Claremont era, which is the only one I know. I guess he was a little early for the talk radio boom. Also, the original Trask was originally one of those pseudo--science academic types about why it's us or them because we wiped out the neanderthals with violence (Not true, science shows it was more of an interbreeding thing.) and so we've gotta kill them all before they get all of us. Basically he was Jordan Peterson if he was actually marginally competent and invented the giant murder bot. In addition to that a large number of the bigots after mutants were christians to the point where the aforementioned Kitty Pride had to confront one anti--mutant christian preacher after he accosted Nightcrawler for (in his words) being a demon. And then there's the Purifiers, who like flame and burning mutants to death and are very much right wing christians of an evangelical denomination bent with crusader and/or KKK motifs mixed together. Like I said, for all that it can be over the top the X-Men have never been quiet about what the real problems with bigotry are and who is the real group of troublemakers in the situation. It's just that sometimes giant murderbots or space aliens swoop in to keep things lively. Krakoa is legit a good comic saga though. For all that I rag on the leadership being fashy it doesn't portray those elements as good and instead takes a much more philosophical look at what happens when you give a branch of humanity that was nearly completely exterminated the chance to bounce back from it. Complete with the understandable refusal to even try to play respectability politics anymore and indulge in all the failures that come with it. Add in people so self assured that they can wear spandex in public without so much as a blush and you have a good idea of the sort of fireworks that go off. Definitely some of the more compelling stuff to come out of X-Men in decades, and worth a read, even if they're clearly building up to some sort of tragic breakdown due to Krakoa's governmental flaws. Edge & Christian posted:Name a sort of right wing demagogue figure and they've been antagonists in X-Men books: televangelists, politicians, strongmen/dictators, political action committees, informal militias, formal militias, television and radio hosts, PR/corporate lobbyists, overreaching government agencies, billionaires, pop stars turned political figures, you name it. This pretty much. If they were a bigot in the Republican party after the southern shift you can guarantee they wanted to kill all mutants since mutants are an allegory for real life minorities, however poorly or decently done you may think they are. Archonex fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jun 25, 2023 |
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Man, oh, man. For all the performative poo poo these USA USA USA types get up to - with american flag clothes and hats, yellow ribbon stickers pretending to care about veterans, and going out of their way to demonstrate just how much the Love America by shooting off fireworks - they really seem to loving hate this country. They hate anyone who's not just like them or looks like them, despise the first amendment and a free press, bitch constantly about anything and seem miserable about everything. Which I chalk up to some mythic vision or remembrance of what America used to be until we got way too super liberal. Except that never really happened either. If anything, the US has continually drifted further and further right since I was old enough to pay attention to such things and I'm gently caress all if I can name a far left president or congress since I was old enough to vote. And it's been a minute, believe me. They honestly seem to hate the United States and the things it does more than I do. Seriously, scan your AM radio dial until you hit one of these shows (and you will), listen to it for 5 minutes and see for yourself how much these folks love this country. They're really mean and bitchy as they go around telling snowflakes like me to suck it up and get over it since the constitution says it's they're god given right to be total assholes all the time and everyone just needs to work harder. We work our asses off for less and less every year, which is partially why they're mad, but then they turn around and bitch about how the poor people are taking the biggest slices of the American Dream Pie and that's why they're busted out and broke. What far left liberal takeover or American Culture are they mad about? Treating immigrants and gays like human beings? Minorities not wanting to be shot on sight by cops? Failure to recite the Pledge of Allegiance before any gathering of more than 5 people? Non existent people coming to take the guns they suck on? Obamacare (which saved my rear end)? It's all just SOROS and USA USA USA. There's no thought behind any of it beyond some non existent kid peeing in a litter box at school and whatever Bud Light and _______________ did. God drat, these people are miserable. If this is what faith in Christ looks like, they can keep it.
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Edge & Christian posted:Name a sort of right wing demagogue figure and they've been antagonists in X-Men books: televangelists, politicians, strongmen/dictators, political action committees, informal militias, formal militias, television and radio hosts, PR/corporate lobbyists, overreaching government agencies, billionaires, pop stars turned political figures, you name it. You can have decent-to-good politics and progressive opinions and still be a shouting insufferable rear end in a top hat who gets attention. I mean... *gesticulates wildly at this very forum*
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BiggerBoat posted:God drat, these people are miserable. If this is what faith in Christ looks like, they can keep it. Many (if not most) Christians aren't like that. They tend to concern themselves with Jesus' instructions to love everyone and judge no one, etc. Unfortunately, many extremely large subgroups (like Catholics and Southern Baptists) are more interested in twisting their interpretation in order to justify demonizing the Other and confirm their preexisting hatred for certain groups of people. And they tend to be much louder than other Christians.
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Archonex posted:
Genosha was an allegory of apartheid South Africa, at least at the beginning. I kinda have to wonder if the new Krakoa arc is the same thing for Israel: an opressed, historically attacke minority finally getting a measure of independence, unity and power, and quickly falling into many of the same pitfalls and vices as any of the groups that stomped on them before. Given the climate around the issue, it'd be risky (and ballsy) as gently caress, but I am not tradon and have no idea if it's just me doing a weird synapse from what i heard about it or if there has been any real creator talk about it.
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Jun 26, 2023 00:13
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Archonex posted:I mean, let's be real, being in a state of total isolation from the world is torture even if it is a "stasis chamber" or whatever. Ditto for the fact that unless you're part of the special super power havers or someone important the Quiet Council wants to exploit you get held there forever without hope of freedom. Which means it's indefinite imprisonment in a state where you can't even die. We'd think that forcibly putting someone into a permanent state of coma as punishment or to make political dissidents go away was monstrous as hell if it happened in real life. The island let them go
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...! posted:Many (if not most) Christians aren't like that. They tend to concern themselves with Jesus' instructions to love everyone and judge no one, etc. Unfortunately, many extremely large subgroups (like Catholics and Southern Baptists) are more interested in twisting their interpretation in order to justify demonizing the Other and confirm their preexisting hatred for certain groups of people. And they tend to be much louder than other Christians. Can't say I've ever met a loud-and-proud Southern Baptist that wasn't at least MAGA-leaning, but there are a ton of Catholics that are much like you said, where they are either affirming and warm towards minority groups, or even if they have religious issues with things like same sex marriage, they know they don't exactly have the moral authority to impose that view on others. It's just that the Tradcaths have a lot more right wing dark money than those people, so a nice elderly Catholic woman learning to accept her granddaughter's transness is drowned out by five articles from lifesitenews about how Home Depot is indoctrinating their staff to be pro-grooming and how Hunter Biden was behind COVID (which was fake btw).
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Can't say I've ever met a loud-and-proud Southern Baptist that wasn't at least MAGA-leaning, but there are a ton of Catholics that are much like you said, where they are either affirming and warm towards minority groups, or even if they have religious issues with things like same sex marriage, they know they don't exactly have the moral authority to impose that view on others. While this is true, i'll say that the problem I have with this argument is that it overlooks the fact that from a certain perspective the repressive bigoted parts of Christianity are it's most dominant (and thus the main stream as far as performative power) parts of it when it comes to actually getting policy passed and wielding influence. Meaning it's hard to take the idea seriously that nice christians should get a pass for what evil christians are doing when the evil christians are effectively the ones setting the overarching policy in how christianity interacts with the world on a large and actually meaningful scale outside of the faith. Past a certain point, if you have an extremist element that is so dug into multiple denominations of the faith in the country that they are the ones directly responsible for creating hate speech and murderous policy then the nice ones are essentially the fringe extremists by dint of the lack of influence they have. Much like how left leaning groups don't really represent the establishment of the Democratic party despite the Republicans insisting that every Democrat is a filthy leftist socialist pig and yadda yadda. HootTheOwl posted:The island let them go And the government didn't. The people in charge of the Pit basically sprung the prisoners at the island's request to fix the situation and went on to create an alternate holding site to keep them free from the QC's judgement because the QC was throwing in political dissidents (or just people advocating for safe sex, abortion, and actually raising the kids the QC wanted everyone to have instead of just throwing them out on the curb for some random mutant to hopefully raise) instead of capital offenders like they said they were going to do. Comic book absurdity aside, it was a classic example of why you don't let the ruling class be both the judge, jury, and executioner of punishment since it's an inherently unjust system. Sephyr posted:Genosha was an allegory of apartheid South Africa, at least at the beginning. I kinda have to wonder if the new Krakoa arc is the same thing for Israel: an opressed, historically attacke minority finally getting a measure of independence, unity and power, and quickly falling into many of the same pitfalls and vices as any of the groups that stomped on them before. This is literally what the writers have inferred they're doing. And yeah, it's risky as gently caress in that it could offend. But they seem to be pulling it off despite the original lead on it (Hickman) leaving. Archonex fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Archonex posted:While this is true, i'll say that the problem I have with this argument is that it overlooks the fact that from a certain perspective the repressive bigoted parts of Christianity are it's most dominant (and thus the main stream as far as performative power) parts of it when it comes to actually getting policy passed. Meaning it's hard to take the idea seriously that nice christians should get a pass for what evil christians are doing when the evil christians are effectively the ones setting the overarching policy in how christianity interacts with the world on a large and actually meaningful scale outside of the faith. Well sure, my intention wasn't to suggest that we give anyone a pass, it was just that if someone goes to a Catholic church, you can't immediately assume that they're a member of Church Militant out praying the rosary in the street to try to block Pride parade with God Beams. Same as how you shouldn't instantly assume the Muslim couple next door are Wahhabists. I get what you're saying, though. It's frustrating being from a family of largely-detached fairly-tolerant Lutherans who genuinely have absolutely no idea who Franklin Graham is, or what the hell the Alliance Defending Freedom actually does.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Well sure, my intention wasn't to suggest that we give anyone a pass, it was just that if someone goes to a Catholic church, you can't immediately assume that they're a member of Church Militant out praying the rosary in the street to try to block Pride parade with God Beams. Same as how you shouldn't instantly assume the Muslim couple next door are Wahhabists. I get you, sorry I misunderstood. And yeah, it is frustrating. At times it feels as if the nice and tolerant christians are basically just accidentally giving PR cover to what christianity actually does to the people it victimizes by giving it a kind face. There doesn't seem to be awareness in many christians of just how much harm the performative mainstream of christianity does and seeks to continue to do to force minorities to conform to it's hosed up beliefs on how to treat people. Those that are made aware of it tend to either not care, just stop being christians, or start severing from the toxic elements so it's hard to bring it up since one way or another there's not really an outcome that will make people actually be happier by pointing it out. Archonex fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Archonex posted:
From Memory only three people have been properly tried and sentenced to the pit. Sabretooth, Toad (who was taking the fall for someone else) and Orphan Maker (and Orphan Maker was joined by his caretaker Nanny cause she did not want to leave him, and no one objected cause Nanny is awful) The other lesser charges put in the pit were done by a leader doing it secretly behind the backs of the other Government leaders.
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MonsterEnvy posted:From what I remember of this. The pitting of those 5 was intended to be temporary a time out for breaking rules, and it was Xavier acting on his own without calling the rest of the council for a proper trial. Nah, Third Eye got pitted for showing people what happened with the make more mutants law and how it'd basically lead to a bunch of parentless and unloved children growing up alone, assuming they didn't just die early on from starvation. Ditto for those children likely growing up to become people who hated Krakoa for the way it treated them since who the gently caress would be happy with that sort of treatment? The drinking and loving mutants, not being heartless sociopaths, immediately sobered up and stopping loving which dropped birth rates by something like a quarter. This pissed the Quiet Council off since it interfered with their plans to trick/force the populace into having a baby boom (Never mind that it took another character literally adopting many of the mutant babies to keep them from just starving to death.) and he got tossed in to silence him so that the agenda could keep going. The wiki even points out he was sentenced and convicted for loving up the messed up social order of Krakoa. quote:Third Eye was one of the many mutants who accepted citizenship of the sovereign mutant island-nation Krakoa. Being able to perform astral projection, he has a connection to the occult, being a conjure man. At some point, he judged that mutant reproduction was relatively reckless and foresaw that many mutant children would be deprived of proper care. As such, he shared a discourse among the Krakoan population about pregnancy prevention. The nation's birthrate dropped by a quarter due to his actions. Since one of the laws of Krakoa incentivized mutant reproduction,[2] Third Eye was sentenced and convicted to the Pit of Exile by the Quiet Council.[3] As the comic focusing on all of them pointed out, outside of Orphan-Maker and Sabretooth the thing the rest of them were actually guilty of was essentially not conforming to societal expectations or being willing to buck the social order to do the right thing. Which makes pitting them a loving awful crime in of itself. Archonex fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Archonex posted:While this is true, i'll say that the problem I have with this argument is that it overlooks the fact that from a certain perspective the repressive bigoted parts of Christianity are it's most dominant (and thus the main stream as far as performative power) parts of it when it comes to actually getting policy passed and wielding influence. Meaning it's hard to take the idea seriously that nice christians should get a pass for what evil christians are doing when the evil christians are effectively the ones setting the overarching policy in how christianity interacts with the world on a large and actually meaningful scale outside of the faith. This is an interesting argument, but would you say that the non-extremists of a religious group are then responsible for fighting against the extremists denominations for policy now that the whole "keep politics out of religion" aspect of US Christianity has been binned for quote some time? In the US, non-extremists seem to be content to just let the extremist groups do what they want, honestly.
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Mercury_Storm posted:This is an interesting argument, but would you say that the non-extremists of a religious group are then responsible for fighting against the extremists denominations for policy now that the whole "keep politics out of religion" part of Christianity in particular has been binned for some time? In the US non-extremists seem to be content to just let the extremist groups do what they want, honestly. I would say that if they care about the reputation and legitimacy of their group as the faith they claim it is that some work has to be done to actually uphold that belief of it being decent for it to be taken seriously, yes. In the US I can't remember that many (if any times at all) times when the kinder christians managed to organize at the scale and wealth of all the bigoted fundamentalists and evangelicals to act in opposition to all the hateful monsters trying to genocide transgender people or restrict women's rights. Heck, I can think of five extremely powerful christian hate groups offhand that directly produce large amounts of policy on the hateful/bigoted christian end of things but not even one that can perform at that level from the parts that say they are nice and accepting of others. Certainly, I have yet to see an organized collection of groups able to match the hateful parts of christianity blow for blow in protecting those they seek to harm. Given the scale and nature of the situation there should be an expectation of fighting back against the parts of the christian faith that are morally repugnant if the rest of it wants to be taken seriously as a faith of love and compassion. To look aside when the religious equivalent of your neighbor is trying to get someone killed is abhorrent in of itself, if not also within the loving version of the christian framework of morality. If the good christians of the world simply meekly bow their heads or turn the other cheek to the hateful and murderous ones then they have only succeeded in letting their faith be colonized by the worst sort of people with malignant intent. If not in actuality, then certainly in perception. This is not just as a denomination thing but also as an aggregate whole. Edit: If I had to draw a comparison to a modern day example of the act of colonization of a community by malignant groups I would point to social media apps and forums that are brigaded and invaded by extremist right wingers. Despite how snarky we can get about it on here forums are places of discussion and community. Often, without constant vigilance places of discussion and community become downright mean to those that most need protection when they get brigaded or invaded by the type of person who sees others as somehow less. And when this is allowed to progress too far people are entitled to assume that the whole of that forum or community is accepting of it through passivity. Religion is also at it's heart a communal thing, and when so much of that community in so many denominations becomes an engine for suffering to the point of becoming the dominant force within it in terms of actual performance there is an obligation for those good christians to push back against this if they want their faith to be taken seriously as what they say it is. Archonex fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Archonex posted:Nah, Third Eye got pitted for showing people what happened with the make more mutants law and how it'd basically lead to a bunch of parentless and unloved children growing up alone, assuming they didn't just die early on from starvation. Ditto for those children likely growing up to become people who hated Krakoa for the way it treated them since who the gently caress would be happy with that sort of treatment? The drinking and loving mutants, not being heartless sociopaths, immediately sobered up and stopping loving which dropped birth rates by something like a quarter. I basically agree with you on everything. But I was correct that Third Eye and other 4 Exiles were pitted without the Rest of the Council. (Though I forgot Magneto was there). So anyone like Kitty, Nightcrawler or Storm that might have spoken against it were not around to object.  I agree with you entirely that pitting them was awful. Edit: Also might as well get on the actual topic of this thread. Hate groups suck.
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VorpalBunny posted:I don't Twitter much, but I do have an account I use to occasionally doom scroll, and for the past few days the only posts in my "For You" feed is pro-DeSantis stuff. And ads. I used to get cute puppy posts, I used to get goofy physics posts, I used to get general news stuff, I even got a lot of UK political news stuff. A follow up to this, my Twitter feed returned to a relatively normal collection of random meme accounts and cute animal videos after a few more days of DeSantis stuff. My husband thinks it was an elaborate and expensive media tactic by the campaign, but I can't seem to find any other people this affected. Buying out someone's For You twitter feed for a week over a year before an election seems nuts, but the targeting was so specific and it made absolutely no sense. But, I'm glad to have my regularly crappy Twitter feed back!
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quote:If the good christians of the world simply meekly bow their heads or turn the other cheek to the hateful and murderous ones then they have only succeeded in letting their faith be colonized by the worst sort of people with malignant intent. If not in actuality, then certainly in perception. This is not just as a denomination thing but also as an aggregate whole. "why do the nice muslims not simply tell the terrorists to gently caress off" this poo poo is as wrong for christianity as it is for islam there's plenty of stuff being said and done, it's just not relevant to anyone not involved. for example the church my family attends is currently mostly involved with the struggle of "drat the patriarch is a huge vatnik who loves genocide, this sucks." should they be condemned for not adding "ceterum censeo for profit megachurches are bullshit, stop knocking you mormon freaks, and trans rights are human rights" publicly at all times? maybe, but otoh I'm more than happy with them at present for things like being a centre for a maligned immigrant community, cheap as gently caress childcare and summer camps, free food to anyone who asks, a community garden whose produce goes directly to shelters, and so on but no one will hear about any of that stuff, whereas they will hear about Pastor Grand Wizard and Father Diddler's joint statement on why Jesus would definitely hate immigrants and trans people. just as how your local mosque is irrelevant, because no one cares about nice things, they want to hear more about ISIS Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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VorpalBunny posted:A follow up to this, my Twitter feed returned to a relatively normal collection of random meme accounts and cute animal videos after a few more days of DeSantis stuff. My husband thinks it was an elaborate and expensive media tactic by the campaign, but I can't seem to find any other people this affected. Buying out someone's For You twitter feed for a week over a year before an election seems nuts, but the targeting was so specific and it made absolutely no sense. But, I'm glad to have my regularly crappy Twitter feed back! This type of crap can cost as much or as little as budgeted for. Remember, Musk is explicitly supporting right wing extremism through Twitter, so it's entirely possible he gives a sweetheart deal to the people buying ad space.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:but no one will hear about any of that stuff, whereas they will hear about Pastor Grand Wizard and Father Diddler's joint statement on why Jesus would definitely hate immigrants and trans people. just as how your local mosque is irrelevant, because no one cares about nice things, they want to hear more about ISIS Yeah this is pretty much what I was initially getting at. The "good" Christians usually don't have any sort of large-scale outward-facing media presence, they're just living their lives and their pastor's Facebook posts about local food drives don't go viral. Meanwhile there are plenty of Fundamental Independent Baptist congregations that do nothing but show up at city council meetings to advocate for LGBTQ genocide in order to get on the local news, and then go back to their strip mall to preach to 15 people. And the larger bigoted institutions have their own media empires where they can advocate for sodomy laws and "freedom from vaccines" all they want with zero pushback. It sucks rear end but that doesn't mean scolding more-tolerant Christian individuals for not "doing something about it" is the way to start fixing it.
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as someone who was raised in a liberal Catholic family, the most galling thing to me is how many modern Christians seem to be people of good will in their day to day lives in many ways, yet go into the polling place and pull the GOP lever in election after election. They help the poor, are ok with the gay people they know, don’t love guns, etc yet are unable to confront what the GOP has become or how antithetical it is to most of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ. I guess it is the abortion issue that keeps them there.
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predicto posted:as someone who was raised in a liberal Catholic family, the most galling thing to me is how many modern Christians seem to be people of good will in their day to day lives in many ways, yet go into the polling place and pull the GOP lever in election after election. They help the poor, are ok with the gay people they know, don’t love guns, etc yet are unable to confront what the GOP has become or how antithetical it is to most of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ. I guess it is the abortion issue that keeps them there. That's my MIL, she literally pulls kids off the street and gives them a place to stay. Doesn't judge a single one, despite their background. But, can't vote for a democrat who would actually support and fund her efforts, because she doesn't agree with "all this trans stuff!" Though recently she had a small crisis of faith and thought, "maybe these Republicans aren't tell the whole story". Baby steps I guess.
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predicto posted:as someone who was raised in a liberal Catholic family, the most galling thing to me is how many modern Christians seem to be people of good will in their day to day lives in many ways, yet go into the polling place and pull the GOP lever in election after election. They help the poor, are ok with the gay people they know, don’t love guns, etc yet are unable to confront what the GOP has become or how antithetical it is to most of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ. I guess it is the abortion issue that keeps them there. It's this. There is no introspection as to which politicians and platforms best align with their belief system. There is no thought about how the Bible literally condemns the idea of praying publicly to show how "Christian" you are to everyone (according to my evangelical relatives, it's just a thing you have to do if you want to win an election). And the sheer hatred for the "other" that lurks beneath the surface of some folks in the evangelical wing of my family is a sight to behold (it's never directed at anyone they know personally, just those people, you know the ones). And yet their church does great things, and they help people on a regular basis through the church. Though, admittedly, they did leave the Methodist church recently specifically because it didn't hate gay people enough, so there is that (I haven't had much contact with them since they went way off the deep end with COVID and anti-vax stuff). I would argue that it's very different than condemning Muslims for supposedly not speaking out about 9/11, or ISIS, or whatever. Muslims are not a significant power bloc in the US. On the other hand, Christians, in very large numbers, are pulling the levers of government to vote for regressive assholes. Right-wing politicians run on the idea of how Christian they are like it's some sort of purity competition. Christianity and pandering to Christians is thoroughly baked into our political system. Christians speaking out against that poo poo in large numbers can absolutely make a big difference, and if Christianity can divorce itself from right-wing politics, that would be a massive win for the country, and, frankly, for the religion.
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https://twitter.com/variety/status/1673350699348893696?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA Not a huge shock there
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Watters specializes in that Fox-speak that Carlson mastered: "We all agree on this common sense idea, right? Now watch me fire the goalpost from a cannon: We all remember the fable of the ant and the grasshopper, right? Well, the grasshopper is doing fentanyl using your tax dollars while your kids are taught to grow up to be like them! Where have all the ants gone? We need a new queen, just not a drag queen."
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Dirk the Average posted:I would argue that it's very different than condemning Muslims for supposedly not speaking out about 9/11, or ISIS, or whatever. Muslims are not a significant power bloc in the US. On the other hand, Christians, in very large numbers, are pulling the levers of government to vote for regressive assholes. Right-wing politicians run on the idea of how Christian they are like it's some sort of purity competition. Christianity and pandering to Christians is thoroughly baked into our political system. Christians speaking out against that poo poo in large numbers can absolutely make a big difference, and if Christianity can divorce itself from right-wing politics, that would be a massive win for the country, and, frankly, for the religion. I don't understand why being smaller or less powerful is an excuse, and if Christians were a smaller group voting for bigots still wouldn't be okay. Religion should not have a place in government. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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I remember a piece Watters did on O'Reilly's old show where he went to Chinatown and mocked residents who didn't speak English. He was destined for big things at Fox.
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Jun 26, 2023 18:31
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I don't understand why being smaller or less powerful is an excuse, and if Christians were a smaller group voting for bigots still wouldn't be okay. Yeah, that would reek of a form of apologism for christianity. At the end of the day if you're voting for the bigot and don't care about what the actual performance of that person is going to be despite their façade of being a christian being false then they're assisting in hurting other people and can't complain when they're called out on that front. Grassroots organizing is great and all but it's not actually representative of the sheer scale of influence of christianity in hurting other people, and it's quite frankly kind of insulting that some folks think Christianity should get a free pass for literally stripping human rights and safety away from people just because a far less influential part of it lives up to it's ideals by community organizing. Just imagine putting out the whole "But we're community organizers and we can't be expected to stand against everything!" line to a trans woman who lost her job due to discrimination laws being repealed, ending up homeless, and then having to rely on the charity of anyone who will take them. Like, my dude, you may be personally nice but at a greater national level other far more influential denominations of your faith put that person out on the street, even if you don't personally agree with the reasoning of the denomination that did it. Trying to equate this to acts of terrorism in the Muslim community or whatever also ignores the fact that in the US politics is tied to religion due to the southern shift. Archonex fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:https://twitter.com/variety/status/1673350699348893696?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA Why do all male fox presenters look like they are made of plasticine?
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Pookah posted:Why do all male fox presenters look like they are made of plasticine? To be serious about the question: Because Fox News had/has an entire arm finding the most efficient way to sell and launder right wing propaganda to voters and that manufactured look appeals to older viewers and alt right types. Keep in mind that as they figured out what worked and didn't work they went from having actual actors playing the role of their interviewees way back when to the angry suited jackasses that are on now. In fact, the Five was allegedly designed around what they'd learned up to that point to sell a show as efficient at seeming fair and balanced while not actually being so. They're basically primped and designed like a factory output from failed celebrities that never made it big or (In the case of Watters and Gutfield) failed comedians who were also willing to sell their decency for a massive paycheck and the fame (really infamy) they never would have gotten otherwise. The whole aesthetic of making them all so similar creates an artificial look overall however when you start to see some of them together. Especially if they open their mouths during separate recordings, too. That reveals how self referential a lot of their propaganda is, and how it's all one big loop meant to keep folks tuned in and angry. Normally this could create long term problems as the negatives of employing people obsessed with fame or wealth become apparent since genuinely awful people in a forward facing PR position tend to make for inevitably awful hires. But Fox News has it's viewership so utterly disconnected from reality and morality that the constant rumors and proof of rampant sexual abuse or the constant slew of employees getting caught and outed for racism or whatever awful thing they've done in a given quarter just whooshes straight over their heads. Couple that with the management's ruthlessness in cutting loose their larger and popular personalities when they become too much of a liability and so far they've managed to inure themselves from the reaping part that comes after sowing. Archonex fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Jun 26, 2023 19:03
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i mean atleast the male Phenotype have more variety than the female ones.
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They're all literally smirking. Is that the face of journalism to the elderly? A smirk?
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Jesus III posted:They're all literally smirking. Is that the face of journalism to the elderly? A smirk? Looking like you're constantly about to say "heh, oh yeah, I just went there" is incredibly important to boomers all over the country.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Looking like you're constantly about to say "heh, oh yeah, I just went there" is incredibly important to boomers all over the country. "What's the matter, lib? Did I just offend you?"
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Looking like you're constantly about to say "heh, oh yeah, I just went there" is incredibly important to boomers all over the country. Explains the prevalence of Dreamworks Face
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Looking like you're constantly about to say "heh, oh yeah, I just went there" is incredibly important to boomers all over the country. The question I have is how we got to the point where this sort of edgy teenager crap is somehow mainstream for a sizable element of the elderly. I mentioned it's mostly an act up above, but it's surprising there's that many people in the boomer generation that that still appeals too. Archonex fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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