June Current Events: We all died in a cheap-ass submarine.

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Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

Tuberville's bullshit is gonna potentially leave the Marines' without a commandant.

https://twitter.com/tlcplmax/status/1673006760205115393

Stultus Maximus posted:

Challenger was also 100% preventable and NASA and Contractor leadership was like "we have a schedule to keep, STFU engineers."

The worst part was reading about the conference call the night before and the engineer essentially hearing NASA cosign that crew to death despite him and his company telling them what was likely going to happen.

# ? Jun 25, 2023 18:47

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 19:09

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

I have a cousin who was hired by NASA as a metallurgical engineer just before Challenger. One of his first assignments was to work hospitality for the families and escort them around on launch day.

He spent some time in counseling afterward.

# ? Jun 25, 2023 19:01

Mustang: Jun 18, 2006; “We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

Handsome Ralph posted:

Tuberville's bullshit is gonna potentially leave the Marines' without a commandant.

https://twitter.com/tlcplmax/status/1673006760205115393

The worst part was reading about the conference call the night before and the engineer essentially hearing NASA cosign that crew to death despite him and his company telling them what was likely going to happen.

We did not do enough to the South at the end of the Civil War, these hicks still find ways to gently caress poo poo up for the rest of the country.

# ? Jun 25, 2023 19:04

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Mustang posted:

We did not do enough to the South at the end of the Civil War, these hicks still find ways to gently caress poo poo up for the rest of the country.

And all this because Jeff Sessions made His President have a sad.

# ? Jun 25, 2023 19:08

stackofflapjacks: Apr 7, 2009; Mmmmm

Y'all seen this r/Genealogy post about the ancestor of Stockton Rush aka Richard Stockton Rush III, CEO of Ocean gate? One Robert F. Stockton, who through hubris, bluster and bullshittery, built a cannon that killed the Secretary of State, Sec. Navy and 4 others in 1844..

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comments/14h9x7r/oceangate_ceo_stockton_rush_kept_reminding_me_of/

quote:

OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush kept reminding me of an obscure historical figure, Captain Richard F. Stockton, who in 1844 was responsible for a similar maritime disaster that killed 6, including U.S. Secretary of State Abel Upshur. I looked into their family tree, and they're actually related.
EDIT: Despite all my proofreading I somehow still typo'd the title, which should say "Robert F. Stockton" instead of Richard. Too many dang Richards in this family so I didn't realize I'd put the wrong name, but it wouldn't be a proper reddit post without a mistaken and unfixable title. Thank you to u/toadog for noticing.

I can't post this in r/history because it involves events from the past 20 years, and I can't post this in r/todayilearned because there's not a single specific source to link to, as I had to do the research myself, so hopefully you guys will welcome this here in r/genealogy, as r/findareddit suggested.

So, uh, I'm a naval history nerd. And I kept hearing all this stuff about the "Titan" submersible disaster online, the poorly tested new design without responsible engineering to back it up, and the careless safety attitude towards experimental equipment, and when I heard the guy in charge was named "Stockton Rush" I was like "Wow... that's gotta be the most ironic name ever for a guy that puts some experimental poorly tested device out to sea without due diligence, invites a bunch of very rich and influential people to go on a pleasure cruise with him to show it off, and then gets them killed when it fails catastrophically." The whole incident seemed really weirdly reminiscent of a historical disaster I have a personal fascination with, the explosion on the U.S.S. Princeton in 1844, which involved a certain "Robert F. Stockton." And I didn't think anything of it beyond that for a couple days because of course it had to be my nerd brain making silly nerd connections and finding meaningless coincidences funny.

But of course everybody has continued to talk about the disaster, and eventually I came across some reddit commenters talking about how "Stockton Rush" is actually named Richard Stockton Rush III and comes from old money and is super privileged... and I was like 'wait, wait... they can't actually be related, can they?' So I started doing some searches with both their names, and got nothing about it in the news or on pages about either individual. And Wikipedia has articles for both people and some of their relatives, but doesn't have a complete family tree. But they were both repeatedly claimed by reputable looking sources to be descended from U.S. founding father and signer of the Declaration of Independence Richard Stockton. So I found a dang gravesite locator and a U.S. history genealogy map and manually sketched out their relations and corroborated it with multiple sources, and holy carp they are in fact cousins! First cousins five times removed, meaning Robert F. Stockton was the first cousin of Stockton Rush's Great Great Great Grandfather.

So what happened in 1844 on the U.S.S. Princeton involving Robert F. Stockton? Well, the U.S.S. Princeton was a state of the art vessel, the United States Navy's first major screw-driven warship, designed and constructed by Swedish engineer John Ericsson, inventor of the marine propeller and future ironclad pioneer, with the political backing of the powerful Stockton family, due to the personal attention of Captain Robert F. Stockton, who was very interested in cutting edge naval technologies. Not to be outdone by Ericsson, Captain Stockton used his wealth and influence to design and construct an oversized cannon- named the "Peacemaker"- to overshadow Ericsson's other armaments for the Princeton, not understanding the principles that Ericsson's advanced weapons were built with, and without properly test firing the cannon before mounting it. Captain Stockton then invited a large party of Washington D.C. dignitaries, including President John Tyler and his cabinet, on a Potomac river pleasure cruise to tour the vessel. During the tour the Peacemaker was repeatedly test fired as a demonstration, and on the last firing the cannon exploded, showering the deck in burning metal and killing six men:

Secretary of State Abel Upshur

Secretary of the Navy Thomas Walker Gilmer (A cabinet level position at the time)

Captain Beverley Kennon, Chief of the Bureau of Construction, Equipment and Repairs (Later called the Bureau of Ships)

Armistead, a slave who was President Tyler's valet

David Gardiner, a New York lawyer and politician

Virgil Maxcy, a Maryland attorney and politician

Accounts of other injuries range from 16 to 20 people. President Tyler was below deck when the explosion happened and was unharmed. Tyler was a widower and had been courting David Gardiner's daughter, Julia, who was present on the cruise and collapsed at her father's death. Tyler's comfort to her in her time of mourning ended up being decisive in him winning her acceptance of his marriage proposal, and Tyler became the first U.S. President to marry while in office. The disaster ended up having numerous after effects that rippled through U.S. politics for decades.

Captain Robert F. Stockton escaped injury, but his pet ship project had become a political disaster and he was now the subject of an official inquiry. Using the influence of his family, he was able to shift blame onto Ericsson, saving his own career at the cost of destroying Ericsson's relationship with the U.S. Navy and denying Ericsson payment for most of his work on the Princeton. Nearly twenty years later during the Civil War, when the Union was desperate for an Ironclad to counter the Confederacy's Ironclad project, it became a very difficult matter to convince Ericsson and the U.S. Navy to be willing to work together again, but the feat was managed and the U.S.S. Monitor was the result.

So if I had a nickel for every time a descendant of Declaration of Independence signer Richard Stockton irresponsibly took a bunch of very wealthy and influential people on a cruise to show off some experimental technology they had designed themselves and not tested properly and then got those wealthy people killed, I'd have ten cents, which wouldn't make me wealthy, but it's really drat weird that it happened twice.

# ? Jun 25, 2023 19:28

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Mustang posted:

We did not do enough to the South at the end of the Civil War, these hicks still find ways to gently caress poo poo up for the rest of the country.

Any sort of reconciliation with the planter class was a huge mistake on lincoln's part

# ? Jun 25, 2023 19:52

ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

Supposedly when Octavian (aka the first* roman emperor, Augustus) was advised to treat his defeated enemies as magnamously as his pretend father Ceasar had, instead of murderously like the temporary dictator Sulla would, he responded "Sulla died in his bed".

# ? Jun 25, 2023 20:29

Discussion Quorum: Dec 5, 2002; Armchair Philistine

FrozenVent posted:

Reminder that there was a procedure for Return to Launch Site abort, but it was never tested.

I think someone managed to do it in a simulator, once.

RTLS was included in "anything less," many astronauts were pretty morbid about it in practice. Said it was something to keep you too busy to worry about your impending demise.

I had it in my head it was nicknamed Rotate To Lose Shuttle although I may have dreamed that up.

# ? Jun 25, 2023 20:30

Hyrax Attack!: Jan 13, 2009; We demand to be taken seriously

Mustang posted:

We did not do enough to the South at the end of the Civil War, these hicks still find ways to gently caress poo poo up for the rest of the country.

When the dumbass confederate senators left congress during secession they were able to pass previously obstructed legislation like the transcontinental railroad & land grant colleges.

# ? Jun 25, 2023 22:15

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Found in the WaffleImages thread:

# ? Jun 26, 2023 01:07

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Found in the WaffleImages thread:

our troops

# ? Jun 26, 2023 01:14

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Found in the WaffleImages thread:

There is so much going on in this image I don't even know where to start

# ? Jun 26, 2023 01:36

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

E: doublepost due to radium code

# ? Jun 26, 2023 01:37

90s Solo Cup: Feb 22, 2011; To understand the cup
He must become the cup

Handsome Ralph posted:

Tuberville's bullshit is gonna potentially leave the Marines' without a commandant.

https://twitter.com/tlcplmax/status/1673006760205115393

The worst part was reading about the conference call the night before and the engineer essentially hearing NASA cosign that crew to death despite him and his company telling them what was likely going to happen.

We had a perfectly good senator but no, we had to pick the ex-football coach to be our replacement Roy Moore.

fake edit: Sherman did nothing wrong.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 03:21

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Good to see how much the Republicans love the military and national defense to let this bullshit happen.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 04:06

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Handsome Ralph posted:

OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush kept reminding me of an obscure historical figure, Captain Richard F. Stockton, who in 1844 was responsible for a similar maritime disaster that killed 6, including U.S. Secretary of State Abel Upshur. I looked into their family tree, and they're actually related.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comments/14h9x7r/oceangate_ceo_stockton_rush_kept_reminding_me_of/

California named a city after the guy who killed two cabinet secretaries.

Handsome Ralph posted:

Tuberville's bullshit is gonna potentially leave the Marines' without a commandant.

https://twitter.com/tlcplmax/status/1673006760205115393

The worst part was reading about the conference call the night before and the engineer essentially hearing NASA cosign that crew to death despite him and his company telling them what was likely going to happen.

Dang. This guy destroys every defense institution he touches.

Platystemon fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Jun 26, 2023

# ? Jun 26, 2023 09:09

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

https://twitter.com/K9Dug/status/1673015769746079745?s=20

# ? Jun 26, 2023 10:25

Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Platystemon posted:

Dang. This guy destroys every defense institution he touches.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 10:57

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Found in the WaffleImages thread:

Gonna need some context here because :dogbutton:

# ? Jun 26, 2023 12:53

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Meanwhile, in Texas, woman in a city on the border calls Uber, murders her driver because she saw signs with directions to Mexico and thought she was being kidnapped.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 14:37

ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

Cythereal posted:

Meanwhile, in Texas, woman in a city on the border calls Uber, murders her driver because she saw signs with directions to Mexico and thought she was being kidnapped.

Reading this gives me the same facial expression as your Potoo av

# ? Jun 26, 2023 14:57

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Cythereal posted:

Meanwhile, in Texas, woman in a city on the border calls Uber, murders her driver because she saw signs with directions to Mexico and thought she was being kidnapped.

what the gently caress

# ? Jun 26, 2023 14:58

Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Cythereal posted:

Meanwhile, in Texas, woman in a city on the border calls Uber, murders her driver because she saw signs with directions to Mexico and thought she was being kidnapped.

quote:

Copas - who is from Kentucky but was visiting her boyfriend - is alleged to have then called the emergency number 911, took a photo of the driver and texted it to her boyfriend.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 15:18

ob21: Aug 21, 2017

Crab Dad posted:

Good to see how much the Republicans love the military and national defense to let this bullshit happen.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/bor..._term=TNY_Humor

# ? Jun 26, 2023 18:18

Wasabi the J: Jan 23, 2008; MOM WAS RIGHT

Cythereal posted:

Meanwhile, in Texas, woman in a city on the border calls Uber, murders her driver because she saw signs with directions to Mexico and thought she was being kidnapped.

loving horrid.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 18:35

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Cythereal posted:

Meanwhile, in Texas, woman in a city on the border calls Uber, murders her driver because she saw signs with directions to Mexico and thought she was being kidnapped.

An armed society is a f*cking stupid society.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 19:47

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

So she had a gun and didn't even think to ask? You get answers if you produce a gun! At least wave the drat thing around or something first. You're probably in the back seat right? I've never taken an uber. There were a lot of flaws in her logic before she got to this step mind, but goddamn if you're that loving prone to mortal panic you probably shouldn't have a gun.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 20:56

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Milo and POTUS posted:

So she had a gun and didn't even think to ask? You get answers if you produce a gun! At least wave the drat thing around or something first. You're probably in the back seat right? I've never taken an uber. There were a lot of flaws in her logic before she got to this step mind, but goddamn if you're that loving prone to mortal panic you probably shouldn't have a gun.

Yeah that whole incident is really disgusting.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 21:04

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

howl's moving castle doctrine

# ? Jun 26, 2023 21:16

TheKingslayer: Sep 3, 2008

"An armed society is a polite society" :downsgun:

# ? Jun 26, 2023 21:16

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

Milo and POTUS posted:

So she had a gun and didn't even think to ask? You get answers if you produce a gun! At least wave the drat thing around or something first. You're probably in the back seat right? I've never taken an uber. There were a lot of flaws in her logic before she got to this step mind, but goddamn if you're that loving prone to mortal panic you probably shouldn't have a gun.

all of this brilliant conflict resolution skill and she's a Social Worker

# ? Jun 26, 2023 21:19

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

Zamujasa posted:

howl's moving castle doctrine

# ? Jun 26, 2023 21:24

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

shame on an IGA posted:

all of this brilliant conflict resolution skill and she's a Social Worker

similar to foster parents, it's a field that attracts some incredibly compassionate people and some of the most staggeringly broken people who should never be around people in crisis

# ? Jun 26, 2023 21:40

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Zamujasa posted:

howl's moving castle doctrine

# ? Jun 26, 2023 22:31

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

shame on an IGA posted:

all of this brilliant conflict resolution skill and she's a Social Worker

# ? Jun 26, 2023 22:44

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Herstory Begins Now posted:

similar to foster parents, it's a field that attracts some incredibly compassionate people and some of the most staggeringly broken people who should never be around people in crisis

Does this apply to MH professionals too or has it just been my luck of the draw with VA Psychiatry residents. Like can I co-sign them onto this poo poo too please or is it invalid?

# ? Jun 26, 2023 22:45

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

Herstory Begins Now posted:

similar to foster parents, it's a field that attracts some incredibly compassionate people and some of the most staggeringly broken people who should never be around people in crisis

This is why I am looking to be a therapist.

I'm staggeringly broken and should never be trusted with anyones mind

# ? Jun 26, 2023 23:12

Soylent Pudding: Jun 22, 2007; We've got people!

It's a pretty well known joke that people study psychology to figure out how they're broken.

Also

Zamujasa posted:

howl's moving castle doctrine

# ? Jun 26, 2023 23:38

Lemniscate Blue: Apr 21, 2006; Here we go again.

TheWeedNumber posted:

Does this apply to MH professionals too or has it just been my luck of the draw with VA Psychiatry residents. Like can I co-sign them onto this poo poo too please or is it invalid?

Yeah about half (generously) of people who go into psychology start taking psych classes to better understand what's wrong with themselves.

Not saying that's necessarily a sign of a bad MH professional - if you can understand your own issues and how they impact your thinking you can work to keep that away from your analysis of your patients' issues - but it's a thing.

My dad got hosed up for years by a family therapist who projected her own daddy issues onto him, and blamed all our family's problems on him. He believed her for a long time.

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bulletsponge13: Apr 28, 2010

Friendly reminder that MH providers are a relationship; not all clients and providers are compatible, and you might have to go through a few.

# ? Jun 26, 2023 23:55

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