Bob Ross Nuke Test posted:

*Glances nervously at the doomsday econ thread, chuckles*

Hubbert posted:

all threads in cspam will eventually converge into this one

celadon posted:

cspam seconds before instrumentality

celadon posted:

cspam seconds before instrumentality

Hubbert posted:

I know, I know I've let you bdown ...

Perry Mason Jar posted:

If that's the sole cause it would suggest aerosols took 3 years to fall from the atmosphere, which is inconsistent with what we know about them. Not only did this anomalous heating not occur in 2020, 2021, or 2022, the anomaly heated up in a very short 3-week period. I don't think there's any particularly satisfying explanations?

FlapYoJacks posted:

He single handedly had a major role in

TheDarkFlame posted:

How far back can we trace the understanding of man-made climate change, and the efforts to manipulate or minimise what got reported? I know the answer to both of those things is going to be "earlier than I think" but I'm wondering if anyone has like, good examples or specific years.

This thread has some incredible brains, so I'm sure someone will just happen to have something ready to post that was originally comissioned for a coal baron in the 40s or something.

Microplastics posted:

Mola Yam posted:

https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1673655480671956996?t=CVSvWRnnMoa3ESVhXWYfXQ&s=19

hm I do not think this is happening merely by chance

Elderbean posted:

I just know the climate is going to be blamed on some vague sense of moral decay.

The crops would grow if it weren’t for those trans people and commie perverts

Mola Yam posted:

https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1673655480671956996?t=CVSvWRnnMoa3ESVhXWYfXQ&s=19

hm I do not think this is happening merely by chance

quote:

Trump’s Cock

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You big boss man fire me
Tie me to your tree and stretch me
Make me scream mon petit carrot cake
Swim on me
Breast stroke all over me
Drive me on your beautiful golf course
Take me into your tower
My sweet coming billionaire
My gorgeous orgasmic El Presidente
Oh, Dongaldo, Dongaldski, Dongaldez,
Chongfu! Povtoreniye! Repetir!

A Bad King posted:

We can trace it back to the guy who isolated and identified the innate properties of "carbonic acid," back in the 19th century. There were blurbs in papers back then about the heat trapping properties of the newly discovered molecule, about how we're dumping a million tons a year, and this might be a problem in a hundred years!

We've known. For over a century.

Here's a contemporary source.

celadon posted:

also lol, lmao

tuyop posted:

Eunice Foote’s experiments demonstrating greenhouse gases predate that by like 60 years.

of course, John Tyndall, who may have stolen Foote’s work after she was barred from presenting it due to being a woman, gets all the credit.

quote:

The record heatwave roiling parts of Texas, Louisiana and Mexico was made at least five times more likely due to human-caused climate change, scientists have found, marking the latest in a series of recent extreme “heat dome” events that have scorched various parts of the world.

A stubborn ridge of high pressure has settled over Mexico and a broad swath of the southern US over the past three weeks, pushing the heat index, a combination of temperature and humidity, to above 48C (120F) in some places.

More than 40 million people in the US, including those living in the Texas cities of Houston, San Antonio and Austin, have been placed under excessive heat warnings, raising fears over the health of people vulnerable to the heat and placing Texas’s energy grid under strain from surging air conditioner use.

The heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and oceans by the burning of fossil fuels made the extreme heatwave at least five times more likely, according to a recent analysis by Climate Central, a climate science non-profit. The punishing heat, which is forecast to linger further throughout the week in Texas, is creating “stressful conditions for millions of people”, according to Andrew Pershing, vice-president for science at Climate Central.

Speaking to the Guardian on Monday, Andrew Dessler, a climate scientist at Texas A&M University said the university’s campus at College Station has had a string of days above 37C (100F), when it usually doesn’t hit such peaks until August. “It’s depressing to think we’re not even in July and we are getting this sort of heat,” he said. “When it’s this hot you are a prisoner in your own house, you are a prisoner to air conditioning.”

Dessler said that the southern part of Texas will probably have one of its hottest Junes ever recorded as it is most acutely affected by the heat dome that has its epicenter in Mexico – the Mexican cities of Monclova and Chihuahua have set all-time record temperatures of of 46C (115F) and 41C (107F), respectively.

This heat dome, one the strongest ever recorded, was formed by a high-pressure atmospheric system that created a sinking column of warming air that trapped latent heat already absorbed by the landscape, like a sort of lid. Such events typically occur without rain and are cloudless, allowing the sun to bake the surface unhindered, causing temperatures to spike.

“The heat evaporates water and then just heats up the land,” said Dessler. “If you have this sort of high-pressure system sitting stationary over a region, you can have these really impressive heatwaves.”

Heat domes have long existed in Texas, and elsewhere, and there is some conjecture among scientists as to whether or not climate change is causing more “blocking events” where patches of high pressure are held in place by alterations to a jet stream that normally pushes weather systems from west to east.

“But when these heat domes do happen, they are getting worse, that’s for certain,” said Michael Wehner, a climate and extreme weather expert at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who estimated that the Texas heatwave was made around 2.7C (5F) hotter by human-caused global heating.

Extreme heat dome events have caused heightened temperatures across the world in recent times, such as the record heat and wildfires seen in May in western Canada, or the historic heat experienced in locations as varied as Puerto Rico and Siberia earlier this month.

The record warm winter experienced by many countries in Europe earlier this year, as well as a separate heatwave that scorched the continent last summer and resulted in thousands of deaths, have also been blamed, in part, upon heat domes that refused to budge.

One of the harshest heat domes on record settled over the US north-west, a place used to more temperate climes, in the summer of 2021, causing temperature records to be shattered and dozens of people to die. Last week, Oregon’s most populous county sued major oil and gas companies for billions of dollars in damages for their role in fueling the heatwave.

Scientists have calculated that the climate crisis made that heatwave 150 times more likely, with heat domes becoming ever more dangerous as the planet heats up. Limiting global heating to 1.5C (2.7F) above pre-industrial times, instead of 2C (3.6F), would halve the number of people exposed to the sort of severe heat dome conditions that caused such distress in 2021, a study has found.

Local authorities can help counter heat domes by setting up cooling centers and providing warnings and shelter to those most affected by the heat, such as the sick and the elderly, but scientists say the global heating already set in motion by the untrammeled combustion of oil, coal and gas will continue to have escalating impacts.

“It’s clear that we are way outside natural variability here,” said Wehner. “Dangerous climate change is here, now. If you don’t recognize that, you’re just not paying attention. Every summer now there’s some devastating heatwave somewhere in the world.”

Mola Yam posted:

also you don't really see coordinated industry pushback until the 1960s at the earliest, with the ecology movement and rising awareness among the general public.

...
it's remarkable because the mainstream scientific messaging on the time frames involved in 1980 were still on the order of hundreds of years before things would get really serious. and API are just like "we've got like 80 years tops at this rate", way closer to the truth as we understand it now.

Unless posted:

oh, and re: age of climate change, I found this in one of my community’s magazines from 1960



full size

Zeta Taskforce posted:

I salute this truth in advertising. If anything they underpromised and over delivered. Way to go corporations!!!

Wheeee posted:

Glaciers are sweaty, ice weak, rains are heavy
The gulf stream is collapsing already, heat waves deadly

kyojin posted:

[Biosphere Collapse] Death by sununu

TehSaurus posted:

ok the other thing that makes me really sad is the posters friend from somewhere up thread that just keeps his place at 65 all the time. Not because it is wasteful. well, not just because of that. but because in a catastrophic heat wave that person will live longer than someone who uses less energy because they have additional thermal capacity in their dwelling that has to be eaten through before they die. reality selects for the worst psychopaths and then puts you in a prisoners dilemma game with them. I hate it

TehSaurus posted:

ok the other thing that makes me really sad is the posters friend from somewhere up thread that just keeps his place at 65 all the time. Not because it is wasteful. well, not just because of that. but because in a catastrophic heat wave that person will live longer than someone who uses less energy because they have additional thermal capacity in their dwelling that has to be eaten through before they die. reality selects for the worst psychopaths and then puts you in a prisoners dilemma game with them. I hate it

SKULL.GIF posted:

We can defeat capitalism if we unite with our working-class allies Chet and Stryker, right after they finish retweeting the June 2018 Greta tweet about humanity being killed by climate change if we don't severely brake our use of fossil fuel within 5 years. They'll come to our rescue any time now . . .

Just a Moron posted:

You get to dab on the people that died before you

Zeta Taskforce posted:

If I follow your line of reasoning, someone who keeps their place at 65 is a psychopath, and in the event of a catastrophic heat wave it is unfortunate that they live because their heat removal capacity is greater than the rate their dwelling absorbs ambient heat?

Elderbean posted:

I just know the climate is going to be blamed on some vague sense of moral decay.

The crops would grow if it weren’t for those trans people and commie perverts

A Bad King posted:

hey what happens when we have 400+ million climate refugees from the global south trying to not die from the hell we created?

A Bad King posted:

hey what happens when we have 400+ million climate refugees from the global south trying to not die from the hell we created?

TehSaurus posted:

almost. I’m assuming in a power failure it takes them longer to die of heat stroke, because their starting conditions are 65 instead of whatever reasonable temperature

edit: writ large, consuming as many resources as you can, as quickly as you can, confers a survival advantage, discouraging pro social behaviors like sharing