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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He pumped up SHIELD, initiated the Helicarrier and project Insight programs, started a new group to assess alien threats, and created the "Iron Patriot" program. Now I really want to know more about the MCU 2016 election. Ellis must've had primary challengers. There's no way Clinton didn't have a go, unless the situation for the Dems was so dire she knew none of them would have a chance after the Democrat president built flying aircraft carriers for nazis that exploded over Washington DC. Which makes Trump's success interesting. I wonder if that context changed the policies he ran on. Finding out that the government had been infiltrated by HYDRA would certainly give an outsider candidate some more appeal.
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Gripweed posted:Now I really want to know more about the MCU 2016 election. Ellis must've had primary challengers. There's no way Clinton didn't have a go, unless the situation for the Dems was so dire she knew none of them would have a chance after the Democrat president built flying aircraft carriers for nazis that exploded over Washington DC. Personally I'm about 90% sure we're living in a simulation and our 2016 and later reality is actually the comic book, the real version is much more boring and far less terrifying
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Barry Convex posted:...you're saying that a six-episode series would blow through its biggest plot twists and reveals in its first episode? I'm not saying I'm expecting anything that would have that huge an impact on the broader MCU, but come on now. I'm saying a premiere needs a hook, and this had absolutely nothing. The skrulls are all nobodies. Give us one established minor character who has been a skrull for a while. Hint at something beyond just a terror cell. I know what the plot is supposed to be, 99% of their audience doesn't. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Aphrodite posted:I'm saying a premiere needs a hook, and this had absolutely nothing. that's a perfectly fair criticism, I just don't see how it logically follows from that that there won't be bigger reveals about the Skrulls in the remaining five episodes (which is not to say that any such reveals will make the series significantly better or worth sticking around for, to be clear)
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live with fruit posted:But now Fury will take the Skrull terrorists he came down from space to investigate and was pursuing when Hill died in the line of duty seriously. He was doubting himself and his ability to take on the threat. It was the motivation he needed to shut out any self doubt and press forward. It’s a fridging, she was narratively killed to motivate him.
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It was a gently caress up. He was already motivated, people die in this genre. Just because someone will react to something doesn’t mean it’s a fridging.
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Klungar posted:It’s on Disney+ in the US, at least. Blah, you are correct. Stupid streaming services.
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You think Trump got snapped? And when he blipped back he was sitting in the toilet eating a burger? I liked SI enough, but I agree that there is no specific stakes setup. I can't see Coleman without thinking about her in Hot Fuzz.
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twistedmentat posted:You think Trump got snapped? "Many people have said that I was blipped, but I wasn't. It's fake news. Crazy Thanos is a Democrat hoax"
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Ok, I watched episode one and I don't know what people are talking about. I thought it was exciting, and did a good job of establishing everything and setting the stakes
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My biggest issue with Secret Invasion is that it's not weird enough. The coolest thing about the comics was Super Skrulls with RNG based power combinations, like Combo-Man reborn, and "whoa they were Skrulls all along" moments But the TV show seems kinda like a fairly bog standard espionage thriller, just with aliens
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OnimaruXLR posted:My biggest issue with Secret Invasion is that it's not weird enough. The coolest thing about the comics was Super Skrulls with RNG based power combinations, like Combo-Man reborn, and "whoa they were Skrulls all along" moments There was also the storyline in Hercules where the gods of Earth worked together for once and sent a team to attack and kill the Skrull gods.
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It may also be harder to introduce the idea of diverse super Skrulls before they’ve ever shown the Super Skrull
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I can’t believe they didn’t do all the stuff I wanted to see in the first episode. I’m apoplectic with rage and I am done with the MCU.
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Joe Fisto posted:I can’t believe they didn’t do all the stuff I wanted to see in the first episode. I’m apoplectic with rage and I am done with the MCU. I haven't seen all of the MCU shows, but none of the ones I watched got better over the course of their run. Wandavision got worse, but all the others just kinda kept to an even keel based off the quality of the first episode. EDIT: this is all academic because no one will know if Secret Invasion gets any better https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1673768511447900175?s=20 Gripweed fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Gripweed posted:I haven't seen all of the MCU shows, but none of the ones I watched got better over the course of their run. Wandavision got worse, but all the others just kinda kept to an even keel based off the quality of the first episode. I thought Hawkeye started pretty good and got better, same with Loki. I agree with you on Wandavision though. Falcon and Winter Soldier was just okay the whole way through, I think having Falcon not wanting the shield and title Captain America was a mistake. When Steve gave him the shield in the comics it was an instant "I need to live up to the example of this guy."
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Gripweed posted:
Oh people will know. It seems people can’t stop themselves from watching things they don’t enjoy just so they can complain about it.
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Hawkeye got better when her girlfriend showed up and obviously she hulk hit top form in the finale
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I feel the quality of Ms. Marvel dropped precipitously as it went. It started out in the first two eps as maybe the best MCU show but was sub-CW Arrowverse in quality by the end in my estimation. Anyway, hope Secret Invasion can turn it around and build a larger audience by turning in some great and thrilling episodes. Get some word of mouth going like Andor.
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Joe Fisto posted:Oh people will know. It seems people can’t stop themselves from watching things they don’t enjoy just so they can complain about it. Didn't know 1 million haters watched the show
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Joe Fisto posted:Oh people will know. It seems people can’t stop themselves from watching things they don’t enjoy just so they can complain about it. You can’t really be all “if you hate it so much why are you watching it?” about MCU stuff. A major part of the whole MCU concept is that every movie and Tv show is part of an ongoing story and things introduced in one part will show up in other stuff later. You’re supposed to watch it all. Like how a lot of people who watched Hawkeye didn’t care about Hawkeye but knew it was setting up stuff that would be important in Echo.
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Really want to meet the huge number of people watching Hawkeye for Echo
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Gripweed posted:You can’t really be all “if you hate it so much why are you watching it?” about MCU stuff. A major part of the whole MCU concept is that every movie and Tv show is part of an ongoing story and things introduced in one part will show up in other stuff later. You’re supposed to watch it all. No one is forcing people to watch. I just see so much bitching and whining (mostly elsewhere) about the stuff, and people could just not watch it. Want to know what happened? Read a summary before the next movie. Life is too short to spend time consuming media that’s not enjoyable. That’s why I stopped watching Snyder movies. Wasn’t enjoying them and I valued my time over knowing what Cyborg was up to.
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It's absolutely possible to just not watch things you don't care for. I'm a weirdo in that I'm not a big fan of the Guardians movies. I've not seen the Christmas special or the third one. I saw the second one once in the theater and never rewatched it. You don't have to watch things you don't care for. It's pretty easy in fact!
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I hope the reason we haven't gotten more Yelena yet is Pugh was too busy filming Dune part 2. Man now I'm sad that she could have been in secret Invasion.
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AngryBooch posted:I feel the quality of Ms. Marvel dropped precipitously as it went. It started out in the first two eps as maybe the best MCU show but was sub-CW Arrowverse in quality by the end in my estimation. Ms Marvel is great in kinda the same way the Watchmen TV show was great in that a poo poo ton of people who had no idea about a historical atrocity were suddenly made aware of it (The India/Pakistan partition and the Tulsa Massacre respectively). It's sad how much we need to have superheroes to learn about history.
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Endless Mike posted:Really want to meet the huge number of people watching Hawkeye for Echo Hawkeye would have absolutely failed without the 7 Echo fans watching
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X-O posted:It's absolutely possible to just not watch things you don't care for. I'm a weirdo in that I'm not a big fan of the Guardians movies. I've not seen the Christmas special or the third one. I saw the second one once in the theater and never rewatched it. You don't have to watch things you don't care for. It's pretty easy in fact! But how will you understand what’s going on if you haven’t seen every second of content?
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Joe Fisto posted:But how will you understand what’s going on if you haven’t seen every second of content? And I'm probably one of the only big Adam Warlock fans as well but I still skipped it. I'll continue to live and breath. For a while at least.
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X-O posted:And I'm probably one of the only big Adam Warlock fans as well but I still skipped it. I'll continue to live and breath. For a while at least. He is very much tacked onto the movie so definitely not worth watching just for him. I personally loved Guardians 3 and I'm not gonna lie I cried like a little baby throughout it
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What the hell, why is everyone here so down on Echo?
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Joe Fisto posted:I can’t believe they didn’t do all the stuff I wanted to see in the first episode. I’m apoplectic with rage and I am done with the MCU. Generally speaking, it behooves you to put some of the good stuff in early on, even just a hint, to entice folks to keep watching Instead this felt like 24 with aliens, except even slower paced. I'm willing to give it another shot, but poo poo better start getting weird soon! Although there is also the inverse of this phenomenon, where a show will blow it's load by having a super kickass first episode, then slow down precipitously, with the hope that things will pop off again being the main motivation to keep watching
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I would say there's a difference between being down on echo and being a little skeptical of the idea that a lot of people were watching Hawkeye to be prepared for the echo show
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Gripweed posted:What the hell, why is everyone here so down on Echo? I think people were mostly making fun of the idea that tons of people were only tuning in to Hawkeye (which has many famous cast members, is about a character from the Avengers, and featured the return on Vincent D'onofrio as The Kingpin) to keep up with what Echo was doing (played by by an unknown actor and a character that the average person has never heard of). Nobody really knows anything about how Echo will be, but she was definitely not more famous/drawing more people than Hawkeye/Kingpin/Black Widow.
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site posted:I would say there's a difference between being down on echo and being a little skeptical of the idea that a lot of people were watching Hawkeye to be prepared for the echo show It’s all bad anti-Echo vibes as far as I’m concerned.
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Joe Fisto posted:No one is forcing people to watch. I just see so much bitching and whining (mostly elsewhere) about the stuff, and people could just not watch it. Want to know what happened? Read a summary before the next movie. Life is too short to spend time consuming media that’s not enjoyable. That’s why I stopped watching Snyder movies. Wasn’t enjoying them and I valued my time over knowing what Cyborg was up to. People can be excited or interested in a show, watch the show, not like the show, then talk about the show and why they don't like it.
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X-O posted:And I'm probably one of the only big Adam Warlock fans as well but I still skipped it. I'll continue to live and breath. For a while at least. I'm guessing you wouldn't have liked this Adam warlock.
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Mr Hootington posted:People can be excited or interested in a show, watch the show, not like the show, then talk about the show and why they don't like it. First episode sure. It’s when people continue to watch that’s ridiculous.
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Joe Fisto posted:First episode sure. It’s when people continue to watch that’s ridiculous. 1 episode has aired and you have been yelling about people who do not exist yet in bss.
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