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Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

Randarkman posted:

Yes, but the same argument holds true for Britain and France who hadn't truly began to ramp up rearmament at this time. German rearmament hadn't come as far as it would in 1939, but they still had a headstart on West, whose own rearmament efforts in the time between the Munich Agreement and the invasion of Poland in September 1939 were a very important factor in attempting to close that gap (and the Allies, Britain alone even, were outspending and outproducing Germany in that timeframe).

Yeah, it really can't be stated how much of a benefit Germany had by being just a little bit ahead in terms of organizing and deploying their mechanized and armored forces, even if what they had was sub-optimal in some ways. Britain was making progress but was stuck in the organization phase. France was having trouble getting their army together what with the constant changes in government and the lack of support for a more professional standing army. Communication issues in the Ardennes due to liaison deficiencies, a sudden change in high-level leadership, and France's bizarre radio silence decision were other large contributing factors. There are plenty of more reasons that all add up to a perfect storm of problems.

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Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice

Dr. Quarex posted:

Accuse him of war crimes all you want but he IS Tuvan and that looks Tuvan enough for government work
I'll take your word for it as someone who knows nothing about Tuvan architecture or culture.

Bluemillion
Aug 18, 2008

I got your dispensers
right here

naem posted:

chicken coop

Cope Coop.

appropriatemetaphor
Jan 26, 2006


Girkin Curtain

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Break out the tsarist reserve folks the cope must flow

zone
Dec 6, 2016

wet_goods
Jun 21, 2004

I'M BAAD!

To be fair a ton of officers just farm master’s degrees as a means for promotions

Bluemillion
Aug 18, 2008

I got your dispensers
right here

Don't mock Viktor, he sacrificed his chin for the motherland!

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

wet_goods posted:

To be fair a ton of officers just farm master’s degrees as a means for promotions

It is definitely true that a lot of these degrees are like North Korean medals

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

You know the Victor guy did successfully repel two invasion

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

wet_goods posted:

To be fair a ton of officers just farm master’s degrees as a means for promotions

Could you go into this if you're not being sarcastic? Do they actually do the work to earn the masters or is it a degree mill situation, and what's the reasoning behind it?

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009

wet_goods posted:

To be fair a ton of officers just farm master’s degrees as a means for promotions

Maybe it’s how a lot of jobs look at degrees: having one doesn’t provide much relevant experience, it just proves that you’re intelligent enough and had your poo poo together enough to earn that particular degree.

celewign
Jul 11, 2015

just get us in the playoffs

OPAONI posted:

Could you go into this if you're not being sarcastic? Do they actually do the work to earn the masters or is it a degree mill situation, and what's the reasoning behind it?

I'm pretty confident the General in charge of NATO with a Masters in Aero engineering from ER is probably not degree farming.

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




the real qualification is that you're skilled in min/maxing, the most important command skill

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


zone posted:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1673668704737845253
Along with 3 NATOs, 3 Zelenskys, The whole Fellowship of the Ring, 2 Death Stars, 10 Starship Enterprises, and the entire Jedi Council. :lol:

55 HIMARS
55 BRADLEYS
55 ABRAMS
55 LEOPARDS
100 MORTARS
100 JAVELINS
100 PATRIOTS
100 MRAPS

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006


big ol bell in russia. biggest bell ever made, according to the half drunk soviet brained tour guide that was talking to us. broke in forging, philadelphia laughs at this feeble attempt at liberty

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
to be fair people in moscow are probably nicer than philly

and people in moscow are dour mfs

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.
That's not a bell. It's a failed attempt.

"Hey, Comrade George...how much you pay for the new guy?"

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Alan Smithee posted:

to be fair people in moscow are probably nicer than philly

and people in moscow are dour mfs

when i lived in moscow i had a gopnik in a club offer to sell me, in his words, bootleg research chemicals, and when i was hesitant another gopnik materialized behind me and i realized how knockoff research chemicals could really enhance my day to day life really quickly.


e: ive also taken a megashot in a bar where my head was lit on fire (i was wearing a red army helmet) and then hit with a baseball bat by the bartender

Lifespan
Mar 5, 2002

Decrepus posted:

55 HIMARS
55 BRADLEYS
55 ABRAMS
55 LEOPARDS
100 MORTARS
100 JAVELINS
100 PATRIOTS
100 MRAPS

:lol:
LET ME ATTACK UKRAINE I'M DOING SOMETHING

Lifespan fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jun 28, 2023

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Sashimi posted:

I'll take your word for it as someone who knows nothing about Tuvan architecture or culture.
I started listening to Huun-Huur-Tu in the 1990s and it all spiralled from there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHyFwLfgmvs

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

HonorableTB posted:

e: ive also taken a megashot in a bar where my head was lit on fire (i was wearing a red army helmet) and then hit with a baseball bat by the bartender
This is the Way

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


HonorableTB posted:

when i lived in moscow i had a gopnik in a club offer to sell me, in his words, bootleg research chemicals, and when i was hesitant another gopnik materialized behind me and i realized how knockoff research chemicals could really enhance my day to day life really quickly.


e: ive also taken a megashot in a bar where my head was lit on fire (i was wearing a red army helmet) and then hit with a baseball bat by the bartender

So, Philly

Ches Neckbeard
Dec 3, 2005

You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

HonorableTB posted:

when i lived in moscow i had a gopnik in a club offer to sell me, in his words, bootleg research chemicals, and when i was hesitant another gopnik materialized behind me and i realized how knockoff research chemicals could really enhance my day to day life really quickly.


e: ive also taken a megashot in a bar where my head was lit on fire (i was wearing a red army helmet) and then hit with a baseball bat by the bartender

How are their battery throwing arms?

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:

Serious question- is there a saying or a proverb or something in Russia that more or less equates to "If you think what I did was dumb, it is you who are stupid" or something like that?

I'm not really even sure why it popped into my head, but it would kind of explain some things

No idea. The only russian proverb I know is:

Everything is poo poo, except piss.

The Wurst Poster
Apr 8, 2005

Literally the Wurst...

Seriously...

For REALSIES.

Decrepus posted:

55 HIMARS
55 BRADLEYS
55 ABRAMS
55 LEOPARDS
100 MORTARS
100 JAVELINS
100 PATRIOTS
100 MRAPS

and a partridge in a pear treeeeee!

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Strikes in south ukraine as part of the ongoing counteroffensive, lots of strikes have been concentrated at Tokmak especially. That seems to be the focal point they're going to try a breakthrough at


https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1673921351793483776?s=20



https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1673920014573789184?s=20



:lmao:

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1673605328452108288?s=20

This is an interesting thread about an especially corrupt part of the Russian MIC, the National Defense Control Center.

e: threadreader if you dont wanna twitter

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1673605328452108288.html

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Jun 28, 2023

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird

Is there any point in reporting official casualties from either side any more? They tell us exactly nothing about what's going on.


Countdown to the entire haul getting stolen by the driver

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

HolHorsejob posted:

Is there any point in reporting official casualties from either side any more? They tell us exactly nothing about what's going on.

Yes actually, you can determine a few things from these even if the numbers themselves are imprecise. The important thing is to look at the amounts of which categories are talked about. That will tell you the types of operations being conducted. For example, in pre-offensive shaping actions, you would want to focus on a lot of special equipment (electronic warfare, counterbattery radars, etc), logistics (transport trucks, unarmored vehicles) and artillery. Compare this operational need against the corresponding rise of claimed casualties in those areas in the past month. In defensive actions you would see a lot more air defense work, reflecting in a higher amount of downed cruise missiles, drones, etc that we saw over the winter and spring.

If you're asking if there's any value in reporting these from the belligerents then the answer is still yeah because it if nothing else lets you get a free morale dunk on your enemy to keep your population bolstered on a daily basis. Those casualty reports and things like it are probably responsible for more than a little international support and pro-Ukrainian sentiment especially among the people on the fence who were sure that Ukraine couldn't possibly stand up to mighty Russia. Changing those peoples' minds got Ukraine a lot of the advanced western tech, so it does play a purpose at the end of the day. Plus the militaries involved will be tracking these numbers anyway as a matter of course (even Russia), there wouldn't be an army on the planet that would be unable to tell you at least to a close approximation how many casualties it's taken in a war.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Jun 28, 2023

zone
Dec 6, 2016
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1673941608532787201
+2 NASAMS to the air defense network.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

HolHorsejob posted:

Is there any point in reporting official casualties from either side any more? They tell us exactly nothing about what's going on.

Countdown to the entire haul getting stolen by the driver

you insult the FSB by suggesting they haven't taken all the bands they could carry

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

I'd rather score...

... but I'll grind it good for you

HolHorsejob posted:

Is there any point in reporting official casualties from either side any more? They tell us exactly nothing about what's going on.

Countdown to the entire haul getting stolen by the driver

Considering the state of corruption and institutionalized cruelty in the Russian military, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a sudden surge of supply in the organ black market

BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011
I don't think Sweden will be joining NATO any time soon.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1673986017898946561

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen

quote:

Russian General Knew About Mercenary Chief’s Rebellion Plans, U.S. Officials Say

A senior Russian general had advance knowledge of Yevgeny Prigozhin’s plans to rebel against Russia’s military leadership, according to U.S. officials briefed on American intelligence on the matter, which has prompted questions about what support the mercenary leader had inside the top ranks.

The officials said they are trying to learn if Gen. Sergei Surovikin, the former top Russian commander in Ukraine, helped plan Mr. Prigozhin’s actions last weekend, which posed the most dramatic threat to President Vladimir V. Putin in his 23 years in power.

General Surovikin is a respected military leader who helped shore up defenses across the battle lines after Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year, analysts say. He was replaced as the top commander in January but retained influence in running war operations and remains popular among the troops.

American officials also said there are signs that other Russian generals may also have supported Mr. Prigozhin’s attempt to change the leadership of the Defense Ministry by force. Current and former U.S. officials said Mr. Prigozhin would not have launched his uprising unless he believed that others in positions of power would come to his aid.

If General Surovikin was involved in last weekend’s events, it would be the latest sign of the infighting that has characterized Russia’s military leadership since the start of Mr. Putin’s war in Ukraine and could signal a wider fracture between supporters of Mr. Prigozhin and Mr. Putin’s two senior military advisers: Sergei K. Shoigu, the minister of defense, and Gen. Valery V. Gerasimov, the chief of general staff.

Mr. Putin must now decide, officials say, whether he believes that General Surovikin helped Mr. Prigozhin and how he should respond.

On Tuesday, the Russian domestic intelligence agency said that it was dropping “armed mutiny” criminal charges against Mr. Prigozhin and members of his force. But if Mr. Putin finds evidence General Surovikin more directly helped Mr. Prigozhin, he will have little choice but to remove him from his command, officials and analysts say.

Some former officials say Mr. Putin could decide to keep General Surovikin, if he concludes he had some knowledge of what Mr. Prigozhin had planned but did not aid him. For now, analysts said, Mr. Putin seems intent on pinning the mutiny solely on Mr. Prigozhin.

...

General Surovikin spoke out against the rebellion as it became public on Friday, in a video that urged Russian troops in Ukraine to maintain their positions and not join the uprising.

“I urge you to stop,” General Surovikin said in a message posted on Telegram. “The enemy is just waiting for the internal political situation to worsen in our country.”

But one former official called that message akin to “a hostage video.” General Surovikin’s body language suggested he was uncomfortable denouncing a former ally, one who shared his view of the Russian military leadership, the former official said.

There were other signs of divided loyalties in the top ranks. Another Russian general — Lt. Gen. Vladimir Alekseyev — made his own video appeal, calling any actions against the Russian state a “stab in the back of the country and president.” But hours later, he surfaced in another video, chatting with Mr. Prigozhin in the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don, where Wagner fighters seized military facilities.

“There were just too many weird things that happened that, in my mind, suggest there was collusion that we have not figured out yet,” Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia, said in a phone interview.

“Think of how easy it was to take Rostov,” Mr. McFaul said. “There are armed guards everywhere in Russia, and suddenly, there’s no one around to do anything?”

...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/russian-general-prigozhin-rebellion.html

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

I'd rather score...

... but I'll grind it good for you
Lol, letting Russian backed neo-nazis sabotage their own geopolitical goals is peak :sweden:

:dumbbravo:

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Turkey is weird, you’d think considering they were founded essentially to be a state to get away from religious government mixing and interference, would logically be all in favor of free speech protests against religion. I mean I get that they are picking and choosing here but it seems sort of antithetical to their own foundational tenets.

Splorange
Feb 23, 2011

Toxic Mental posted:

Turkey is weird, you’d think considering they were founded essentially to be a state to get away from religious government mixing and interference, would logically be all in favor of free speech protests against religion. I mean I get that they are picking and choosing here but it seems sort of antithetical to their own foundational tenets.

Short sighted domestic politics for retaining power, trumps principles every time. When you have bad economic policies you can always go for the angry nutter vote.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Toxic Mental posted:

Turkey is weird, you’d think considering they were founded essentially to be a state to get away from religious government mixing and interference, would logically be all in favor of free speech protests against religion. I mean I get that they are picking and choosing here but it seems sort of antithetical to their own foundational tenets.
Turkey under Erdogan is getting further and further from its foundational tenets under Ataturk.

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Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Reminds me of some other country that I can’t quite think of right now

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