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Blockhouse posted:I feel like this is the third or fourth time someone's come out and said "Spike sucks" and everyone just collectively kind of forgets about it until the next time it comes up I've always remembered because she would periodically take runs at my buddy Chris Sims when he worked at Comic Alliance for stuff he said on his personal blog when he was young and stupid that he had since apologized for and never done again.
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Ugh, that sucks to hear. I've backed a lot of projects they've put out. I've heard about the lovely things they did in like the early 00's, but figured it being "stupid kid" poo poo. But their campaigns now are centered on paying creators their dues.
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Is that related to the stuff that they posted on their twitter? https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/1668496867552813056?s=20 EDIT: Seems to be different but related drama, but it's interesting that in this thread from an ICC editor (quoted by Spike) he confirms that they're underpaid and that there are other "serious problems" https://twitter.com/kellhound/status/1668309778819596288?s=20 Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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What do you mean she cofounded the Burned Furs? Oh gently caress this. Why is real life so weird?!? I know that was long-rear end time ago and people change but that represented a huge split in the community. I’d love to hear her side of the story on that one. Edit: hmm https://twitter.com/obliviousally/status/1669106204239450114 SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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Without getting too much into the weeds, what was the Burned Furs?
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The Burned Fur were from the start thinly veiled anti-LGBTQ garbage and always a little collective of Nazi furs  there was never a point when they weren’t pure poo poo so to go “oh she only wrote their entire manifesto” is a galaxy brained takeDawgstar posted:Without getting too much into the weeds, what was the Burned Furs? Back in like the early 00s it was a group of furries who got mad about more and more queer people becoming furries. They claimed they were against lewdness but it was always targeted at queer display and sexuality to the point they routinely threatened to kill people and even attempted to sabotage furry con events they deemed bad. Most the members, to the shock of no one, were eventually exposed to be big Nazi furs Dr. VooDoo fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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^^^ way better explanation It goes back into the mid-late 90s even. Furry conventions were one of the precious few places LGBTQ folks were accepted and could be openly affectionate. The Burned Furs tried to frame it as adults being sexually inappropriate in public where minors might see, an attitude that carried over into early internet - I hazard to guess it influenced these forums as well. So a gay couple kissing in a hotel lobby turned into “they’re forcing their fetish on the public!”
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This is referring to this essay? https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/This_Sordid_Little_Business
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Dr. VooDoo posted:The Burned Fur were from the start thinly veiled anti-LGBTQ garbage and always a little collective of Nazi furs
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Fangz posted:This is referring to this essay? https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/This_Sordid_Little_Business
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Is that related to the stuff that they posted on their twitter? I'm feeling like I've seen that avatar before with a reference to drama in the past. but it's been a while and I can't remember for what, or if it was here or twitter.
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Anora posted:I'm feeling like I've seen that avatar before with a reference to drama in the past. but it's been a while and I can't remember for what, or if it was here or twitter. I think they were pretty notorious for not paying artists. Like just ignoring invoices and stuff. Could be thinking of a different rear end in a top hat though.
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Years ago I backed a few of their Kickstarters and there was a lot of hoopla over stretch goals to increase artist pay rate, multiple updates encouraging people to pledge for that reason.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Years ago I backed a few of their Kickstarters and there was a lot of hoopla over stretch goals to increase artist pay rate, multiple updates encouraging people to pledge for that reason. Yeah, every stretch goal is to increase pay for the artists. I think I got one that had a bonus for the backers (fancier cover). That's why I back a lot of their projects, seemed like they were good for the artists. I mean, I like the books, but I read anthologies like once.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:^^^ way better explanation And they try to get it going again every year during convention season. A few years back, they tried getting FurSquared kicked from their venue with fabricated accounts of public sex in the lobby.
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DantetheK9 posted:And they try to get it going again every year during convention season. A few years back, they tried getting FurSquared kicked from their venue with fabricated accounts of public sex in the lobby. Yup, but they go/we’re going under a new group name called Furry Raiders that was basically the same burned furs people but this time their private chats got leaked and they were all exposed as literal Nazis. People talk poo poo about furries but unlike a lot of online communities they run out Nazis without hesitation once they’re found out instead of turning a blind eye and letting them fester
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The username 'Iron Spike' seems familiar. Was she involved in some MRA stuff a while back?
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Darth Walrus posted:The username 'Iron Spike' seems familiar. Was she involved in some MRA stuff a while back? I doubt it unless she was on the receiving end.
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So, huh... https://twitter.com/mrmarkmillar/status/1674304172869427200 https://twitter.com/mrmarkmillar/status/1674305954626584576 Has he always been like this? Cause da fck
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Millar, the exploding incest womb guy, a weirdo chud? The guy whose entire oeuvre consists of "cruelty is rad" has bad takes? Unthinkable!
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Squidster posted:Millar, the exploding incest womb guy, a weirdo chud? The guy whose entire oeuvre consists of "cruelty is rad" has bad takes? Unthinkable! I know, I know. It still has caught a lot of people off guard that he's saying this.
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I remember that Millar was pro-Brexit, and it's not like reactionary political takes are that much of a surprise from the dude who brought us Ultimate Captain America, but this does mark a new low for the man. To paraphrase something I said earlier in the thread about Bill Willingham, I already knew Millar was a shithead, but I wasn't aware he was also an idiot. Bonus round: our old buddy Mike S. Miller, the Electronic Tigers guy, is popping up in a few threads on Twitter in defense of Millar and RFK Jr.
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I think Joe Rogan podcasts may emit a special sonic frequency that makes brains melt.
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Shageletic posted:gently caress Hey at least it's fake, as opposed to yet another comics dude being a piece of poo poo. I mean there's a 100% chance there's yet another comics dude being a piece of poo poo, but this isn't one of those times.
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Joe Fisto posted:https://twitter.com/nebsgoodtakes/status/1674289953013104641?s=46&t=2Vl5mZOAuXyv2LbW1v-6cQ poo poo like this sucks on so many levels. Falsely accusing someone is bad enough for that person of course but it really hurts people that have legitimate claims as well. This piece of poo poo did a lot of harm. And for what? Because they didn't like a story. That's so hosed up.
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we finally found him, the one Inhumans fan, unfortunately he seems to have been driven insane by the isolation
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The Last Call posted:I know, I know. It's caught me off guard, and I used to be a regular on Millar's forums. Sad that he's contracted brainworms - he was never as bad as the edgelording would make you think.
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Jedit posted:It's caught me off guard, and I used to be a regular on Millar's forums. Sad that he's contracted brainworms - he was never as bad as the edgelording would make you think. It does seem that eventually the irony leads to full-throated endorsement for some, for others they back off in absolute horror that people actually believe the poo poo.
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The thing with Millar that I always respected is that he apparently got his co-creators paid for their work when it hit big on TV or movies. There’s sadly no guarantee of big writers doing that. The fact he has lovely politics isn’t all that surprising just based on his work though. Extreme edgelord energy.
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I admit, I thought Millar was a fake dumbass for money. I'm pretty sure he's not a Trump dumbass, and I thought was wasn't a Brexit dumbass. Being an RFK-Joe Rogan dumbass is a new and unusual type I've never encountered or really heard about.
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StumblyWumbly posted:I admit, I thought Millar was a fake dumbass for money. I'm pretty sure he's not a Trump dumbass, and I thought was wasn't a Brexit dumbass. Being an RFK-Joe Rogan dumbass is a new and unusual type I've never encountered or really heard about. RFK dumbasses are 'left' or livertarian people who are convinced they are Very Smart and want to shake up the system and intend to do it by voting for the anti-vax right wing scion of a political dynasty. Joe Rogan appeals to similar types who mistake being contrarian with having a brain.
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Musk/Rogan/RFK and even Peterson all seem to partly appeal to people who are only superficially interested in politics or don’t engage much with social media, at least not enough to know much about how these people really are. I’m not saying that Millar can’t be a a terrible person, I’m just not ruling out that he is completely ignorant instead.
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Oasx posted:Musk/Rogan/RFK and even Peterson all seem to partly appeal to people who are only superficially interested in politics or don’t engage much with social media, at least not enough to know much about how these people really are. I am, because those dudes are pretty open about their abhorrent beliefs. Millar would have to be extremely stupid to believe RFK's figleaf of running as a Democratic. And the figleaf isn't just for RFK, but also for his followers. They aim for the 'Independents' who are just GOP conservatives temporarily embarrassed by the party (until it is time to vote anyways).
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Blockhouse posted:literally all I can think of when I think of Mark Millar is that time Grant Morrison said if they ever saw Millar crossing the street they'd run him down in their car. quote:Q: He still lives in Glasgow, is there a chance of bumping into him?
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Kchama posted:I am, because those dudes are pretty open about their abhorrent beliefs. Millar would have to be extremely stupid to believe RFK's figleaf of running as a Democratic. And the figleaf isn't just for RFK, but also for his followers. They aim for the 'Independents' who are just GOP conservatives temporarily embarrassed by the party (until it is time to vote anyways). I see people who don't live in America not understanding the details of who popular figures are. Though I also wouldn't have an opinion about foreign leaders without digging into those details.
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I remember Millar throwing support behind someone awful a year or two but then he was like "whoops didnt realize they were awful" a few days later, does anyone know what the hell I'm talking about
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