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Broken promises will just be another stick for the media to beat them with if they do get into power, further expediting the return of an even more right-wing Conservative Party. At least if they formally retract it that’s one less thing, not that there’s really a shortage of things.
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Granted, this is a big ask, given the state of british journalism, but if just one person made a catalogue of all these loving nonsense policies and retractions, I feel like you could just air that as a party political broadcast and it would make them look like absolute loving morons. It's not like anybody has ever accused labour of being inconsistent and full of infighting. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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History Comes Inside! posted:Broken promises will just be another stick for the media to beat them with if they do get into power, further expediting the return of an even more right-wing Conservative Party. Can't break promises if you're just continuously shedding them like ablative armour. :kieth_rollsafe.gif: Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Jun 28, 2023 14:03
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Darth Walrus posted:Exactly. They're the party of sober... Not with Keir at the helm.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:12
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Being so turbo late stage capitalist with your debt loading and asset plundering that you manage to go bust when you own a monopoly utility for every single person in the whole of London and beyond is actually quite impressive work
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smellmycheese posted:Being so turbo late stage capitalist with your debt loading and asset plundering that you manage to go bust when you own a monopoly utility for every single person in the whole of London and beyond is actually quite impressive work Yeah I'm kinda baffled how they managed it. They have one of the most reliable sources of income possible but they still managed to gently caress up basic budgeting.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:28
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OwlFancier posted:I would call that "showing weakness" if it were in response to criticism but given that they appear to be just retracting them unprompted it verges more into "having an argument with yourself" territory. It's the "no such thing as bad publicity" mindset for politics.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:32
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Mega Comrade posted:Yeah I'm kinda baffled how they managed it. They have one of the most reliable sources of income possible but they still managed to gently caress up basic budgeting. The objective is not to run the company it's to maximise value extraction from the legal fiction of the company in the shortest amount of time. Asset strippers just buy a company, load it with the debt from buying it, pay themselves a massive bonus, then declare bankruptcy. It's not mismanagement because it's not even management, it's deliberately collapsing companies for personal gain.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:35
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You left out the bit where they sell and leaseback all the assets to get money for those dividends.
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Mega Comrade posted:Yeah I'm kinda baffled how they managed it. They have one of the most reliable sources of income possible but they still managed to gently caress up basic budgeting. They’ve robbed it blind OP, looted it for every last penny while letting turds flood into the water. And you’re not allowed to oppose this insanity because that means your a filthy communist
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Jun 28, 2023 14:43
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Guavanaut posted:People pay more attention to New New Labour when they abandon policies than when they create them, so they've found a cheap way of staying in the social media news. The problem with Starmerism is eventually you run out of policies to abandon.
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Skull Servant posted:The problem with Starmerism is eventually you run out of policies to abandon. Easily solved by making new policies (and then abandoning them)
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Skull Servant posted:The problem with Starmerism is eventually you run out of policies to abandon. 
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smellmycheese posted:They’ve robbed it blind OP, looted it for every last penny while letting turds flood into the water. And you’re not allowed to oppose this insanity because that means your a filthy communist
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Jun 28, 2023 15:05
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Zalakwe posted:Asset stripped by Macquarie you say? Better nationalise those losses pronto so we can sell it on and start the whole process again. How dumb is it that water companies are not publicly owned? Because water is an essential element to life so it's a perfect profit opportunity
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Jun 28, 2023 15:20
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OwlFancier posted:What I don't understand is why bother announcing and retracting things. I keep saying this, but they don't want to win. They want nice safe opposition jobs where they can sit on their arses, get paid and don't have to do anything except say oh dear this is awful look at those naughty Tories. That the Tories are still managing to gently caress up badly enough to give them a poll lead is horribly hilarious, but never fear! They'll just make a few promises then break them a couple of weeks later! Nobody would possibly vote for them after that! 
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The argument about capitalism being the most efficient way (or even more efficient way) of organising resources lost even its veneer of truth in the 00s when people started loving around with bullshit that allowed companies to profit from debt.
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I often wish I was Cary Grant.
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Dead Goon posted:I often wish I was Cary Grant. dead for the last 30 years? same
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OwlFancier posted:I would call that "showing weakness" if it were in response to criticism but given that they appear to be just retracting them unprompted it verges more into "having an argument with yourself" territory. Two theories 1. Noonoo Labour exist outside linear time, so they think by announcing and retracting a policy, they can win over both lefties and centre-melts, not realising that the later announcement cancels out the earlier one, because they have no concept of "earlier" or "later" 2. Lunar Suite posted:It's the mark of Serious Adults™ to make Tough Decisions™ like "Sorry, we simply cannot afford to let you have a better life that would also generate a lot of tax income for us". Kieth is literally Vincent Adultman
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He just wasn’t feeling it
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Jun 28, 2023 16:59
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Transphobia so thoroughly rots your brain that it's got Dick Dorkins siding with the creationists. https://twitter.com/2damntrans/status/1671811263649783809
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I scrolled too far down in youtube the other day and it recommended me some thing with dick dorkins and ricky gervais about how "being honest" is amazingly brave and I have never rushed to hit "do not show me this" so fast in my life.
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https://twitter.com/ft/status/1674034674715197440?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q Mmm, feel that warm, reassuring sensibleness.
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Guavanaut posted:Transphobia so thoroughly rots your brain that it's got Dick Dorkins siding with the creationists. He's turned into a gobshite, another decent intelect gone forever. 
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Jun 28, 2023 17:30
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Dorkin's one useful contribution to the discourse was "nothing is designed to do anything, there's no divine natural order of anything". He could have gone the David Graeber route with that and ended up at something close to "the ultimate, hidden truth of the world is that it is something that we make, and could just as easily make differently." Instead, like a lot of 90s pop-intellectuals, he decided that the world back then was fine by him and instead threw his one good point in the bin to make weak owns about gametes.
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Just Another Lurker posted:He's turned into a gobshite, another decent intelect gone forever.  , he was never a decent intellectual
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Jun 28, 2023 17:52
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Can't bring up Dick Dawksterdly without the classic indie headline: British scientists don't like Richard Dawkins, finds study that didn't even ask questions about Richard Dawkins
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It's also more proof that all transphobia is lazily recycled homophobia. I can remember the fundie line of "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, they can't reproduce so they go against God's design" and people like Dick did a reasonable job of addressing that one, only to 20 years later fall for the exact same poo poo dressed up in GCSE biology language instead of church newsletter language.
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So I found out something interesting about the 'people thought Corbyn wrote that Shelley poem' thing: apparently Corbyn and McCluskey are publishing an anthology of poetry by other people to be published in November. Bonus points for making it a book which is both red and little. https://twitter.com/brokenbottleboy/status/1674024558536409090?t=BsJfdODh9ipHFHsDEQhIRQ&s=19 Unfortunately this has angered Hadley Freeman, who has used brain-jutsu to somehow read this collection of poems about class struggle and the working class as an attack on the working class.
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cat botherer posted:
Eh, some of his work on evolution (Selfish Gene, Climbing Mount Improbable) was pretty good as far as I can remember.
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this is the only good thing he ever did https://twitter.com/richarddawkins/status/448240882710757376?lang=zh-Hant
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Unfortunately this has angered Hadley Freeman, who has used brain-jutsu to somehow read this collection of poems about class struggle and the working class as an attack on the working class. Corbyn and McCluskey will probably do for poetry what they did for the Labour Party though, they will encourage people to write their own poetry and people like Badly Peeman will scour them all for one misplaced word that proves that the whole thing was written by Hitler.
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OwlFancier posted:I scrolled too far down in youtube the other day and it recommended me some thing with dick dorkins and ricky gervais about how "being honest" is amazingly brave and I have never rushed to hit "do not show me this" so fast in my life. I got this one in my recommendations too, from I channel I'd previously blocked. Unfortunately Youtube only seems to block channels for an arbitrary time before checking to see if you've changed your mind about not being an alt-right misogynistic terf.
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Mine's usually fine but if you keep scrolling it gets visibly desperate to get you to watch something so it starts throwing up weirder poo poo you wouldn't click on.
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Nuclear Spoon posted:this is the only good thing he ever did Wrong. He has never topped this. Possibly one of the greatest tweets of all time. https://twitter.com/richarddawkins/status/389432783304548352?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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Nuclear Spoon posted:this is the only good thing he ever did I fully believe that Dawkins paid Epstein to visit an even Littler St. James island where dogs 69
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OwlFancier posted:Mine's usually fine but if you keep scrolling it gets visibly desperate to get you to watch something so it starts throwing up weirder poo poo you wouldn't click on. Mine is mostly garbage based on whatever I last watched since, I've filtered out all the channels I subscribe to from the home page. I recently watched a retro review of a game called Revs, so I'm getting lots of 10-second videos of people filming their car's tachometer while they rev the engine. But I refreshed a couple of minutes ago and got this winning combo. 
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