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Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Cthulu Carl posted:

One of our... I think he's a sys admin precovid would be spotted in sandals and a bathrobe a lot. He's switch to sandals in the middle of the day (Leaving his socks on) and apparently used the bathrobe instead of a hoodie for when he was cold - also maybe for naps because sometimes he'd come in at night to do some changes that had to be done off-hours.

Back in college I was this weirdo - a bathrobe on top of whatever outfit I was wearing. It was like a cozy lab coat that also had the side effect of torpedoing any semblance of social credibility I had left.

I either had the good common sense, or lack of spine, to discontinue wearing it upon joining the working world.

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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Idk what you are bragging about, you transitioned right into being a goon.

like the rest of us

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
My university had a dressing gown society who would go out drinking wearing them. Nice enough kids if you could get past them being incredibly attention hungry.

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Blue Moonlight posted:

Back in college I was this weirdo - a bathrobe on top of whatever outfit I was wearing. It was like a cozy lab coat that also had the side effect of torpedoing any semblance of social credibility I had left.

I either had the good common sense, or lack of spine, to discontinue wearing it upon joining the working world.

I do this at home, but my GF's family apparently thinks I'm a 4XL, so they bought me this MASSIVE flannel lined plaid shirt/hoodie/jacket thing, which serves the same purpose with the benefit of being acceptable public wear.

frest
Sep 17, 2004

Well hell. I guess old Tumnus is just a loverman by trade.
Company hired another consulting firm to conduct D&I surveys, but with a twist- now the last 1/3 of the survey centers around "are you actively considering leaving the company".

also another supervisor gave notice today. no one has been hired since the last time i complained about this in the thread. I actually thought institutional breakdown would be ok really, because without adequate supervision... when the cats away the mice can play. instead no, they have doubled-down on the monitoring, just without any understanding of what the work is or why we do it.

"hey why did this analysis take 10 hours and this one take 10 minutes?"
"did you read either of them?"
"no, but i need to know what you're working on."

repeat every 2 hours

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

Our office did an 'anonymous' D&I survey. Through our HR portal. So everyone's response (about disability, sexuality, gender identity...) was tied to their hr record. And then hr forwarded the responses to the survey authors with the hr record removed, so it was totally anonymized! Why wouldn't you trust hr with this information?

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost
Customer has been having constant trouble with our products, but the issue presents itself erratically and unpredictably. It's gotten to the point that the customer gave us an entire piece of equipment back to test in the lab. My boss has taken the position that since he can't see how it can happen, it's not our problem to fix. So the customer's stuff has been sitting outside under lock and key, untouched for weeks. Skip boss is now asking me why nothing is being done. The guy with the keys is out for a week.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Salami Surgeon posted:

Customer has been having constant trouble with our products, but the issue presents itself erratically and unpredictably. It's gotten to the point that the customer gave us an entire piece of equipment back to test in the lab. My boss has taken the position that since he can't see how it can happen, it's not our problem to fix. So the customer's stuff has been sitting outside under lock and key, untouched for weeks. Skip boss is now asking me why nothing is being done. The guy with the keys is out for a week.

Capitalism is the most efficient and well-oiled machine out there

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Killingyouguy! posted:

Our office did an 'anonymous' D&I survey. Through our HR portal. So everyone's response (about disability, sexuality, gender identity...) was tied to their hr record. And then hr forwarded the responses to the survey authors with the hr record removed, so it was totally anonymized! Why wouldn't you trust hr with this information?

Oh I have had long discussions about the difference between anonymous and merely pseudonymized data - and this is especially bad since those are categories that are explicitly called out in the GDPR.

Are you, by any chance, in a GDPR country? Because your local Data Protection Agency should in theory have opinions on this.

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

Computer viking posted:

Oh I have had long discussions about the difference between anonymous and merely pseudonymized data - and this is especially bad since those are categories that are explicitly called out in the GDPR.

Are you, by any chance, in a GDPR country? Because your local Data Protection Agency should in theory have opinions on this.

Alas, I am not, and this was years ago anyway

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

When we did an employee survey last year, my boss said he could tell which comments were mine just from the writing style, but also that mine were now where near the worst comments.

I have no plans to change, if they want to fire me because I told them we need raises that keep place with inflation and that we can't pay our rent with free soft serve on Fridays, then so he it.

Ravus Ursus
Mar 30, 2017

Last job I had that tried the anon surveys hounded me asking why I hadn't done mine.

I'm not sure the penny ever dropped for them, despite pointing out the obvious.

I mean, I bailed and my exit interview was an e-form that I filled out while drunk. It did nothing, but if was cathartic.

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

Ravus Ursus posted:

Last job I had that tried the anon surveys hounded me asking why I hadn't done mine.

Lmao

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
We've had those. I think the idea was they tracked your clicking on the unique link, but this was decoupled from the subsequent form uid. So they would know if you had started it, but not which one was you.

Obviously this is trivially countered using event timecodes, or just not decoupling the ids.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




My boss knows which survey response is mine because it’s the one that just has PAY US MORE written in every single fillable field.

I answer all the dumbass “least agree-most agree” things accurately but if you give me a text box I know what I’m writing.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies
Our last job evaluation form asked us how we felt about our supervisor. I actually have an awesome boss, so I wrote a really glowing review of him. Then when it came time for the in person discussion, he was all ‘thanks very much for your comments about me, that was very nice’. While it would have been a lot worse if I had said bad things, why the hell would HR show him that? How are people supposed to answer honestly if they’re just going to tell the person what you said?

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost
When I had to do surveys, the group shared a login so I think it was mostly anonymous. Most people waited until the last minute to get them in, so everyone was constantly bombarded with emails from boss all the way up to VP level to get them done. One year we had over 100% participation. The next year I know I didn't do mine and we had 100% participation. :iiam: I started saving my answers to see if they'd show up in the results, but we stopped doing them shortly after that.

Domus posted:

Our last job evaluation form asked us how we felt about our supervisor. I actually have an awesome boss, so I wrote a really glowing review of him. Then when it came time for the in person discussion, he was all ‘thanks very much for your comments about me, that was very nice’. While it would have been a lot worse if I had said bad things, why the hell would HR show him that? How are people supposed to answer honestly if they’re just going to tell the person what you said?

Knowing that your boss sees your responses ensures that you will answer accurately: that everything's fine and nothing needs to change

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

History Comes Inside! posted:

My boss knows which survey response is mine because it’s the one that just has PAY US MORE written in every single fillable field.

I answer all the dumbass “least agree-most agree” things accurately but if you give me a text box I know what I’m writing.

Lmao the first survey at my job I made every single free text field some variation of 'this would be fixed by our insurance covering therapy'

Our insurance covers therapy now!!

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

History Comes Inside! posted:

My boss knows which survey response is mine because it’s the one that just has PAY US MORE written in every single fillable field.

I answer all the dumbass “least agree-most agree” things accurately but if you give me a text box I know what I’m writing.

Nice.

I get tons of surveys from various 'support organizations' and every field is a variation of 'We need more funding because you won't let us use your funding to administrate the spending of your grant, so we can't afford to spend your money and thanks to your time-consuming bullshit system we also can't afford to fundraise for the necessary funds.'

If that makes absolutely no sense and sounds extremely stupid, congratulations, you exceed the maximum intelligence threshold to work for a funding agency.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

Salami Surgeon posted:

I started saving my answers to see if they'd show up in the results, but we stopped doing them shortly after that.

I was doing that, with ours, then they stopped publishing all the free text comments because it was too obvious which managers were being slagged off by their entire team and it was upsetting them.

MonkeyHate
Oct 11, 2002

Dance, monkey, dance!
Taco Defender
Former company made different departments compete against each other so there was huge pressure to make your product the best and most profitable.

In practice that turned into groups spinning up their own ad-hoc marketing departments with no oversight which resulted in customers getting overwhelmed by separate marketing campaigns from us for every different product we made and multiple ads and pop ups everywhere that clashed with each other. If you installed software you’d likely get pestered to install at least one browser toolbar for something we made.

It also meant departments would try to sabotage each other and each others’ products and employees. Stuff like unnecessarily tying up IT, or server rack space, or pushing to get successful people in other groups fired.

Interdepartmental meetings often ended in screaming and throwing furniture and at least two lawsuits.

Because of all this, what was an innovative company with some cool tech was universally hated by nerds for like 10 years even after they stopped that nonsense.

Back then I never told techy people where I worked.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




lol that has unlocked a memory from my time in middle management. I had to lead a team in tandem with a team in another department who we had a very childish and fraught relationship with, and at the end of the project all the staff filled in surveys which got sent to their own management teams and someone from the other dept wrote “History Comes Inside was constantly playing on his phone during meetings which I find very disrespectful, and I don’t know why his boss tolerates it” in the verbatims.

The problem was there was only one meeting, at the start of the project, which I chaired and presented for the entire duration of, severely hindering my ability to be playing with my phone at the same time.

My boss knew this and thought it was hilarious, so he spent the rest of the year telling me to put my imaginary phone away any time we had to go to an event with that team present.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

MonkeyHate posted:

Former company made different departments compete against each other so there was huge pressure to make your product the best and most profitable.

In practice that turned into groups spinning up their own ad-hoc marketing departments with no oversight which resulted in customers getting overwhelmed by separate marketing campaigns from us for every different product we made and multiple ads and pop ups everywhere that clashed with each other. If you installed software you’d likely get pestered to install at least one browser toolbar for something we made.

It also meant departments would try to sabotage each other and each others’ products and employees. Stuff like unnecessarily tying up IT, or server rack space, or pushing to get successful people in other groups fired.

Interdepartmental meetings often ended in screaming and throwing furniture and at least two lawsuits.

Because of all this, what was an innovative company with some cool tech was universally hated by nerds for like 10 years even after they stopped that nonsense.

Back then I never told techy people where I worked.

There's too many places where it seems like this could apply and I hate that.

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

Killingyouguy! posted:

Lmao the first survey at my job I made every single free text field some variation of 'this would be fixed by our insurance covering therapy'

Our insurance covers therapy now!!

The insurance might not have enough providers in network that have openings any time soon. My insurance only has 1 psychiatrist in my area that still takes new patients. Their first opening was in September when I called them in May. This is actually an sneaky insurance issue.

I’m guessing you’re in the US since this is one of the serious issues with US health care any time someone needs to see a specialist. People need to start filing complaints more often since a lot of insurance companies have settled our lost lawsuits for this kind of bullshit and their workaround is time consuming bullshit that most PCPs just don’t want to do.

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

Thankfully, not US, networks aren't a thing here. They just only covered therapists with one very specific degree which excluded nearly all the therapists in town. Now there's more degrees that qualify!

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
No surveys, but i was supposed to have a meeting with my two bosses like Dec. 21st to discuss my role, where our fledgling small company is heading etc...

still waiting for that meeting as of today. im the one at the company who seriously can't get hit by that bus. borderline game over, overnight, if the bus gets me.

hate to make a post like this but like................i seriously owe this thread some words when im done at this place (which could literally be any minute)

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020

20 Blunts posted:

No surveys, but i was supposed to have a meeting with my two bosses like Dec. 21st to discuss my role, where our fledgling small company is heading etc...

still waiting for that meeting as of today. im the one at the company who seriously can't get hit by that bus. borderline game over, overnight, if the bus gets me.

hate to make a post like this but like................i seriously owe this thread some words when im done at this place (which could literally be any minute)

are you sure you don't wanna go quit right now and tell us all about it???

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017

ben shapino posted:

are you sure you don't wanna go quit right now and tell us all about it???

it would be a premature evacuation, im waiting for the good nut. just for you guys of course.

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




Found out today that upper management wants to pivot away from fire drills (dealing with all the stupid poo poo at the last minute of projects) and encourage people to try and get ahead of issues.

On of the senior PMs hit the nail on the head with the note that fire drills get everyone’s attention. When he has a smooth sailing project, directors and VPs have no idea who he is. But when a PM has a dumpster fire of a project that they manage to bring to completion, everyone knows who they are and is congratulating that person.

Also doesn’t help that there is no particular incentive for other departments to help get ahead of or identify issues before they crop up.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


MonkeyHate posted:

Former company made different departments compete against each other so there was huge pressure to make your product the best and most profitable.

In practice that turned into groups spinning up their own ad-hoc marketing departments with no oversight which resulted in customers getting overwhelmed by separate marketing campaigns from us for every different product we made and multiple ads and pop ups everywhere that clashed with each other. If you installed software you’d likely get pestered to install at least one browser toolbar for something we made.

It also meant departments would try to sabotage each other and each others’ products and employees. Stuff like unnecessarily tying up IT, or server rack space, or pushing to get successful people in other groups fired.

Interdepartmental meetings often ended in screaming and throwing furniture and at least two lawsuits.

Because of all this, what was an innovative company with some cool tech was universally hated by nerds for like 10 years even after they stopped that nonsense.

Back then I never told techy people where I worked.
Hewlett-Packard?

Sad King Billy
Jan 27, 2006

Thats three of ours innit...to one of yours. You know mate I really think we ought to even up the average!
I used to work at a fairly well known company in the Access Control industry. A anonymous staff satisfaction survey happened to coincide with the end of a fraught rework project where we recovered hundreds of malfunctioning products.

We all got pizza afterwards. I was happy to have the pizza but also like most of my colleagues, would have preferred a decent payrise, rather than one tied to the rate of inflation.

Most people mentioned their desire for a payrise in the survey. Our CEO mentioned in our feedback session that one person complained that, ' Pizza was condescending for adults!'

We never got pizza again.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Bored posted:

The insurance might not have enough providers in network that have openings any time soon. My insurance only has 1 psychiatrist in my area that still takes new patients. Their first opening was in September when I called them in May. This is actually an sneaky insurance issue.

We went around this by going with a therapy-provider that does online appointments. It's convenient, easy, and their whole network is available to everyone. There's an in-person option, but I haven't heard of anyone using it.

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020

Sad King Billy posted:

I used to work at a fairly well known company in the Access Control industry. A anonymous staff satisfaction survey happened to coincide with the end of a fraught rework project where we recovered hundreds of malfunctioning products.

We all got pizza afterwards. I was happy to have the pizza but also like most of my colleagues, would have preferred a decent payrise, rather than one tied to the rate of inflation.

Most people mentioned their desire for a payrise in the survey. Our CEO mentioned in our feedback session that one person complained that, ' Pizza was condescending for adults!'

We never got pizza again.

Hope you all learned a valuable lesson about gratitude.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

ben shapino posted:

Hope you all learned a valuable lesson about gratitude.

Yeah, drink six beers and make sure your gratitude ends up in the boss's gas tank.

Buttchocks
Oct 21, 2020

No, I like my hat, thanks.
There's this software that we're supposed to use for filing and indexing emails, project files, file transfers, etc. that's supposed to make searching for stuff easier. Most of us don't use it because:

1) our company provided next to zero training on it
2) all the filing has to be done manually and can't be automated, which makes it more hassle to use than Windows
3) the Outlook plug-in broke Outlook and had to be removed from most of our computers
4) even when the plug-in is working correctly, by design it stores filed emails in the trash bin (wtf??)
5) it has the ugliest user interface I have seen since Hot Dog Stand. It is seriously painful to look at.

And because most people don't use it, it's purpose as a universal indexing and search tool is only useful for your own stuff that you already had access to. And each of our company's divisions have different software versions, so we wouldn't be able to search each others files anyway. I can only imagine how much money is being spent on this software. We even have a designated person specifically to administrate this one program.

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

MonkeyHate posted:

Former company made different departments compete against each other so there was huge pressure to make your product the best and most profitable.

In practice that turned into groups spinning up their own ad-hoc marketing departments with no oversight which resulted in customers getting overwhelmed by separate marketing campaigns from us for every different product we made and multiple ads and pop ups everywhere that clashed with each other. If you installed software you’d likely get pestered to install at least one browser toolbar for something we made.

It also meant departments would try to sabotage each other and each others’ products and employees. Stuff like unnecessarily tying up IT, or server rack space, or pushing to get successful people in other groups fired.

Interdepartmental meetings often ended in screaming and throwing furniture and at least two lawsuits.

Because of all this, what was an innovative company with some cool tech was universally hated by nerds for like 10 years even after they stopped that nonsense.

Back then I never told techy people where I worked.

Sears style management.

We all know how successful that is.

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost

Volmarias posted:

There's too many places where it seems like this could apply and I hate that.

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Hewlett-Packard?


I've heard Sony was that way, except you had no idea if anyone else was working on a competing project or not. They'd even pick teams in separate countries or on separate continents to constantly keep everyone in the dark.

e: not trying to guess the company, just reinforcing there are too many places like this

Salami Surgeon fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jun 28, 2023

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I had perfect team review scores last year so I spent weeks dodging other department heads because why would I waste my time telling you how to listen to feedback, as per your survey results.

Pyrtanis
Jun 30, 2007

The ghosts of our glories are gray-bearded guides
Fun Shoe

Buttchocks posted:


4) even when the plug-in is working correctly, by design it stores filed emails in the trash bin (wtf??)

working as designed

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Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Salami Surgeon posted:

I've heard Sony was that way, except you had no idea if anyone else was working on a competing project or not. They'd even pick teams in separate countries or on separate continents to constantly keep everyone in the dark.

e: not trying to guess the company, just reinforcing there are too many places like this

That sounds like Google, except it's entirely by accident, not design.

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