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Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

freebooter posted:

I don't have the statistics to prove anything but my gut feeling is that the problem with our hosed housing market is more to do with investors and less to do with empty nest boomers hanging on to their PPOR.

Stamp Duty. Kill it and give everyone a 20 year land tax.


ACT is half way there I think.

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freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Even aside from the boomers stamp duty feels incredibly outdated for the needs and wants of younger generations. My partner and I scrimped and saved to buy a 2-bedroom unit in the 600-700 range and got our first homebuyer's exemption, but if we were to move house to a place of equal value (again: a 2-bedroom unit) we'd be on the hook for about 35k, or basically what it would take both of us two years to save up for. Two years of joint savings on nothing but a relocation tax is nuts.

I would much rather be shelling out a few hundred bucks in land tax to the government every year in perpetuity than have to pay a mind boggling amount of money simply for the privilege of moving house. It feels like something that hasn't been updated for inflation in house prices since the 1990s when anybody paying 650k for a home was buying a 4-bedroom house in Kew, as opposed to a clapboard 1970s unit where the windows all rattle every time I gently close an interior door.

Going past a financial sense to an ideological one, stamp duty also feels outdated in that seems rooted in a mid-century era when people bought their ~First Home~ in their 20s and stayed put forever instead of getting divorced, changing jobs, having to move back to their home state to care for a dying parent etc. It is not the 1950s and people should not be penalised for being (often unwilling) rootless cosmopolitans.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

freebooter posted:

I don't have the statistics to prove anything but my gut feeling is that the problem with our hosed housing market is more to do with investors and less to do with empty nest boomers hanging on to their PPOR.
it's both really (and many more issues far beyond that)

property speculation and investment are heavily encouraged to a degree that's caused a property bubble over the last 20 years or so, and downsizing is also not encouraged and all the speculative investment nonsense probably helps encourage the elderly to hang onto their larger homes so their kids can inherit them and so on

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

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freebooter posted:

While I fundamentally agree with this...

https://twitter.com/surlygopher/status/1659210211306123267

...I also think people who've lived in the house they raised their kids in 40 years earlier should be able to live out their retirement and die there if they want.

But the families with kids should also be entitled to be able to afford an actual house with space. And this was generally possible for all generations (of most income bands) to be living in up until about 15 years ago.

I don't have the statistics to prove anything but my gut feeling is that the problem with our hosed housing market is more to do with investors and less to do with empty nest boomers hanging on to their PPOR.

Pretty much my feelings on the subject. It's also a massive own goal to attack these people as a priority because they are an easy example for the real villains to put up as martyrs to deflect any real criticism.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
i personally think we can solve this problem by blowing up the nuclear family with hydrogen bombs

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
the answer lies somewhere in the middle

nuke investment properties

Konomex
Oct 25, 2010

a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...
I think living in the same house you raised your kids in until you die sounds nice and cheery, and used to be realistic in a smaller world that didn't have such a focus on continuous population growth. But we realistically don't have the space for it anymore, not unless you want to pop out a few more million plus sized cities around the coast.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
What’s the go with that inland rail project.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
berejiklian found to be corrupt by icac

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

lih posted:

berejiklian found to be corrupt by icac

And no charges on her whatsoever.


Crime pays well if your rich.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Comstar posted:

And no charges on her whatsoever.


Crime pays well if your rich.

Same with the investigation into the corrupt lawyer and the cops, prosecutor refusing to press charges against anyone.

EDIT:
The treasurer, Jim Chalmers, denies Australia’s first budget surplus in more than a decade comes at the expense of under-pressure households as the cost of living rises, AAP reports.

gently caress you Jim Chalmers.

hooman fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Jun 29, 2023

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

hooman posted:

Same with the investigation into the corrupt lawyer and the cops, prosecutor refusing to press charges against anyone.

EDIT:
The treasurer, Jim Chalmers, denies Australia’s first budget surplus in more than a decade comes at the expense of under-pressure households as the cost of living rises, AAP reports.

gently caress you Jim Chalmers.

It would have been a deficit if not for blind luck on ore prices.

Tbh you can say "[any statement about Australia going to poo poo financially] if not for blind luck on ore prices" and be correct most of the time

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Konomex posted:

I think living in the same house you raised your kids in until you die sounds nice and cheery, and used to be realistic in a smaller world that didn't have such a focus on continuous population growth. But we realistically don't have the space for it anymore, not unless you want to pop out a few more million plus sized cities around the coast.

I'm not personally sold that continuous population (read: "economic") growth is necessary, but if it is, then Australia has plenty of scope to decentralise.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

Comstar posted:

And no charges on her whatsoever.


Crime pays well if your rich.

the findings against her were about her failing to report suspicions she should have had about maguire & failing to manage the conflict of interest caused by their relationship. bad certainly but not criminal

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

lih posted:

berejiklian found to be corrupt by icac
Technically found 'Corrupt As gently caress'.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

freebooter posted:

I'm not personally sold that continuous population (read: "economic") growth is necessary, but if it is, then Australia has plenty of scope to decentralise.

Why do we want economic growth? Because it theoretically leads to quality of living growth.

Anyway, time to tank quality of living to grow the economy.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
This was all over a function hall for a clay pigeon shooting club and was not a financial success:


quote:

The $5.5 million Wagga Wagga gun club “function centre” project at the heart of the probe that felled Gladys Berejiklian as NSW Premier has turned out to be a taxpayer disaster — and even a financial albatross for the club itself.

None of the major conferences flagged in an “updated business plan”— used to get the highly-contentious grant over the line — has materialised in the five years since the 1000-person function centre opened its doors.

Analysis of the Australian Clay Targets Association’s annual reports show that since opening in early 2018, the sprawling, 2,200 sqm facility has notched-up $823,793 in depreciation.

That’s more than double the entire revenue the facility has brought in over the five years — before deducting any costs.

...

The director of the NSW Office of Sport Michael Toohey has said business case — prepared by consultancy GHD at taxpayer expense — was “deficient” and “flimsy”, with “imaginative” claims of community benefit.

The project did not meet the “NSW Government’s own standards and policies”.

Former NSW Sport executive director Paul Doorn has said his department didn’t consider the project “stacked up” – and he was “surprised” to hear it had been approved.

Nigel Blunden, a senior advisor to then NSW Premier Mike Baird, summed up his thoughts in an email to Baird in late 2017: “sometimes you gotta say WTF”. His recommendation: “oppose”.

...

The project was to create “up to 91 FTE (full-time equivalent) and 86 resident jobs”; deliver over $2m a year to the local economy; and provide “international promotion of the City of Wagga Wagga, regional Australia and Australia as a whole”.

It was to host four 400-person conferences and two 800-person conferences each year.

Instead, demand for the facility has been so low that the project’s not only a woeful deal for the NSW taxpayer — it’s a financial burden for the club, which received the $5.5m in free money.

Over its five years of operations the average annual revenue of the function centre — which all up cost $6.8m, according to the accounts — has been just $97,000 a year.

Taking out operating costs including catering and maintenance and that figure falls to $53,700 a year.

Take out overheads such as electricity, water, gas, insurance, security and licensing — which the club does not individually apportion to the facility in its annual reports — and the results are worse again.

In 2019 the gun club hired an events coordinator for the facility — named The Range Function Centre — but she resigned in 2020 and appears not to have been replaced.

...


I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Imagine writing this unironically

quote:

The project was to create “up to 91 FTE (full-time equivalent) and 86 resident jobs”; deliver over $2m a year to the local economy; and provide “international promotion of the City of Wagga Wagga, regional Australia and Australia as a whole”.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Imagine writing this unironically

Technically 1 job falls within "Up to 91"

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

sometimes you gotta say WTF

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Come have your event in Wagga Wagga, only a short 5 hour drive from Melbourne/Sydney

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

The news is eulogising Gladys as a great person that just made a mistake, but she didn't financially benefit, so it's all good, don't forget her hard work, btw feel bad for her for having has this hanging over her head for two years and getting away with it.

E: are you telling me that Wagga Wagga of all places doesn't have its own international air port???

Resident Idiot
May 11, 2007

Maxine13
Grimey Drawer
Air port? We won't rest until Wagga Wagga has a blue water sea port.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Resident Idiot posted:

Air port? We won't rest until Wagga Wagga has a blue water sea port.

Wagga Wagga beach resort and casino, coming soon!

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Returning to a story from earlier today, and disgraced war veteran Ben Roberts-Smith was filmed leaving the offices of a bankruptcy lawyer in Perth on Thursday morning, less than an hour after a Sydney court learnt he had agreed to pay the costs of his failed defamation action

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-29/covid-clinics-melbourne-close-funding-cut-victorian-government/102532120

quote:

Six respiratory clinics in Melbourne will close as state government funding dries up, in a move some doctors fear will put staff and patients at risk

GPs are being told if they are not already seeing COVID-positive patients face-to-face, they will soon have to do so

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

do we have specific influenza clinics? Trying not to be inflammatory here but I think this is bringing it line w other illnesses now

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
Covid's death toll was 7500% higher than influenza last year.

On track to be a smaller number this year, but still many times higher than the flu. Covid's not going to be in line with the flu for a long while.

But anyway, yes, the article says there are still 17 clinics, so honestly it probably does make sense to close a few.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Mola Yam posted:

Covid's death toll was 7500% higher than influenza last year.

On track to be a smaller number this year, but still many times higher than the flu. Covid's not going to be in line with the flu for a long while.

But anyway, yes, the article says there are still 17 clinics, so honestly it probably does make sense to close a few.

And its just going to be a total coincidence that the ones that are shut just happen to be in the lower socio economic areas.

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
hey when do we have to vote for the voice? or is it not up to the people vote for it stage yet?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Non Compos Mentis posted:

hey when do we have to vote for the voice? or is it not up to the people vote for it stage yet?

Yeah it's at that stage, it passed parli last sitting. No date but it will be in September by the sounds of things.

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:

Non Compos Mentis posted:

hey when do we have to vote for the voice? or is it not up to the people vote for it stage yet?

September has been floated a lot.

Certainly likely to be in spring. The referendum has to be held between two and six months time from the 19th of June (the date the bill enabling it passed) so it’s going to fall between late August and early December.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

NPR Journalizard posted:

Which is why we need an incentive to get them to move hth

Pension benefits based on total income and assets.


Can't bring myself to care about some boomer whinging about the price of their meds when they're living in a property worth north of a million dollars.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Pension benefits based on total income and assets.


Can't bring myself to care about some boomer whinging about the price of their meds when they're living in a property worth north of a million dollars.

Aged pension is already means tested, including PPOR.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The family home is the kind of thing that works when you have multigenerational families, not when you're expected to leave the home and start over- which was only remotely sustainable when you had shitloads of cheap housing specifically to enable that lifestyle. (for white people) The housing market is fundamentally incompatible with the ways people are forced to live, and something has to give.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Hobart City Councillor Louise Elliot, who owns short-stay accommodation, said it felt like the Tenants' Union's report was "targeting individuals", which she said was a disturbing trend.

"I had a call yesterday from a lady in tears who was begging me to tell her how she can give her short stay permit back," she said.

"She's had horrible graffiti spray painted outside her property saying 'f*** your Airbnb' and she was literally in tears from this and she hasn't even started operating as an Airbnb or as a short-stay property.

"There's a big assumption that just because someone has put in to apply for a permit, it doesn't mean that they have an intention to use short-stay in the near future or even at all, a lot of people are getting permits just in case."

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Pension benefits based on total income and assets.


Can't bring myself to care about some boomer whinging about the price of their meds when they're living in a property worth north of a million dollars.

I can.

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

"She's had horrible graffiti spray painted outside her property saying 'f*** your Airbnb' and she was literally in tears from this and she hasn't even started operating as an Airbnb or as a short-stay property.

uh-huh.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Nah I’ve seen the photo, the graffiti was real.

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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Ms Elliot said it would not be hard to have a property portfolio worth over $2 million.

"$2.6 million isn't actually a lot of money in this setting given our house prices have exploded," she said.

"So I don't think that's a fair measure at all because there's a big difference between equity and actual cashflow.

She said short-stay was only a small part of the housing situation and "an individual owner is a tiny part of that".

"I understand people are concerned about short-stay accommodation and the impact it has on our housing crisis and that's a valid point and one should be addressed," she said.

"But that should be argued at the right level, not by investigating individuals."

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