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Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!

ilkhan posted:

I... don't understand why you would do this. Im sure there are reasons.

To speak for someone not me:

* It's smaller, so it's easier to move, and you can keep it somewhere smaller.
* it's got better support, through legacy parts and the company itself.
* it's got better parts supply, it is well known, people know the parts, and the company ships fast.
* It's easier to work on, becuase it's an open frame, lighter, and smaller.
* You can print your own replacement parts, as the parts are all released, and often as a gcode file, so you don't even need to slice.
* All the wear parts are generic parts, so if the company can't get you parts, you can get them from a dozen suppliers.
* You're supporting someone who pays back to the community, which helps 3d printing in general.
* You're building yourself into an ecosystem that is continuing to get better, the printers are never really abandoned, there's always upgrade paths, and buying prusa helps everyone else too.
* It has a better extruder.

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ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

You'll be sorry you made fun of me when Daddy Donald jails all my posting enemies!

Nerobro posted:

To speak for someone not me:
Valid reasons. Thanks.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
I got a pack of winsinn fans to replace my hot end's fan dying and they were behaving VERY erractically and insanely loving loud because of it but it turned out the issue was the connectors on the fans. I cut it off and soldered the wires together instead and they're perfect and even a tiny bit quieter than the stock Ender-3 fan.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
I know none of them will be totally clear of course, but what are everyone's favorite transparent PLAs?

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Nerobro posted:

To back this up, this is my "I'm messing around" plastic of choice. It prints well. It's not "good" stuff but it is 100% reliable and good to have on hand.

If I had a plural you that didn't make me sound like I left my brain in texas, I'd use it. This isn't directed ~at you~.

Have you noticed the affinity for the ... Less than rainbow friendly gun groups heavy reliance on dicks and balls as accessories or full on themes for things they handle a lot? I'm saying if you printed a dong gun, you might make a better friend than you may be bargining for. The feds HAVE noticed which I find amazingly funny.

I didn't want to include a link, because it's NSFW as gently caress, but they're gun shaped dildos, presumably for butt stuff. They even come in a rainbow gradient!

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

ilkhan posted:

I... don't understand why you would do this. Im sure there are reasons.


Nerobro posted:

To speak for someone not me:

* It's smaller, so it's easier to move, and you can keep it somewhere smaller.
* it's got better support, through legacy parts and the company itself.
* it's got better parts supply, it is well known, people know the parts, and the company ships fast.
* It's easier to work on, becuase it's an open frame, lighter, and smaller.
* You can print your own replacement parts, as the parts are all released, and often as a gcode file, so you don't even need to slice.
* All the wear parts are generic parts, so if the company can't get you parts, you can get them from a dozen suppliers.
* You're supporting someone who pays back to the community, which helps 3d printing in general.
* You're building yourself into an ecosystem that is continuing to get better, the printers are never really abandoned, there's always upgrade paths, and buying prusa helps everyone else too.
* It has a better extruder.


ilkhan posted:

Valid reasons. Thanks.

Yep, mostly the already listed reasons. The negative comments I do see from Bambu Lab owners is the long lead times on replacement parts (which is funny to say since I'll be waiting 8-9 weeks to even get the kit) and slow communication which they themselves did acknowledge in their anniversary blog post and are at least trying to improve. On top of that, I am not a big fan of forced cloud usage and encryption involved. Yes, I know LAN mode is a thing but you end up cutting some of the feature set that'd be useful because of it.

I'm not going to say Bambu Lab is gonna disappear anytime soon, seems like they're still on their way up and the people that are happy with their printers continue to be happy and kudos to them for even lowering the price on the P1P by a hundred dollars during these weird economic times and the AMS still is a killer feature for them (though personally I would like to see improvements on reducing waste even further). But I'd like to see some changes on the backend before I'd personally use it but in the same breath wouldn't deny their place in the market for people who have different needs than I do.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

Neo Rasa posted:

I know none of them will be totally clear of course, but what are everyone's favorite transparent PLAs?

Do you absolutely have to use PLA? Because PETG is significantly more transparent and nearly as easy to print.

queeb
Jun 10, 2004

m





its been a journey but today was a milestone day!

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Threw the 0.6mm hotend assembly on the X1-C and I'm blown away with how good the quality is.

When I think about larger than 0.4mm nozzles, my old-person-printer brain says "sacrifice a lot of quality for speed".

And yes, while I'm technically limited to 0.18mm layers, even at that quality stuff still looks great.

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

Bambu AMS #2 showed up yesterday, the Hub unit was in the mailbox when I got home today, and P1P #2 is on a UPS truck for delivery right now.

I had originally intended to just buy the second AMS and have one 8-color printer, but then they knocked the price of the P1P down and I ended up ordering another one, so... yeah. Now the conundrum is, do I set one machine up for 8 colors per the original plan, or set each one up with an AMS and then buy a *third* AMS down the road a bit so I still have the...octochromic? capability... I have equally valid reasons to do both, and it's already driving me crazy.

This is really a rhetorical post, I just needed to dump the thoughts. First world problems ahoy!

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums

queeb posted:



its been a journey but today was a milestone day!

Congrats on makin it work, man :hf:

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!
Can you tell me more about the AMS? I have a P1P and was considering one.

How much does multi-color printing slow down the printing process? If you have more than one color on a given layer, I assume it needs to unload/load the print head each time.

And does it waste a ton of filament between color changes?

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
There's a filament cutter in the head. So a filament swap goes:

Cut filament -> retract color X back into AMS -> feed new color Y from AMS into head -> Purge segment of previously cut segment of X until only the new color Y remains(*) -> continue printing

(*) The amount of time it takes to do this is configurable but there's a neat feature where the slicer can auto-calculate it based on the colors currently loaded into the AMS. So swapping from black to white requires much more purge time than for example brown to black.

Filament swapping is never fast but Bambu + AMS is pretty danged reliable and it frankly just works.


e: The filament waste from the purging has some bare minimum it can't go under because there's always a segment inside the head (the part between the cutter and the nozzle) that needs to be pushed out each time. The tradeoff is reliability. Although you can tell it to ignore purging (or purge into support, etc) and just slam on down instead of doing the clean color changes.

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

queeb posted:



its been a journey but today was a milestone day!
I inadvertently looked right past this on mobile earlier, congratulations! That's awesome!

queeb
Jun 10, 2004

m



Thanks all! I'm probably going to expand into my own website and eBay, I bought a laser too so I'm messing around with monetizing that somehow, probably look into non-ttrpg related print things too but so far this is keeping me super busy already, and I imagine the back half of the year is going to be nuts.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Sagebrush posted:

Do you absolutely have to use PLA? Because PETG is significantly more transparent and nearly as easy to print.

I didn't realize it would make a difference I can use PETG, I just figured PLA would be cheaper but looking at the prices now I see it's not a huge difference.

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

PROCEED
The Giantarm Clear PETG was good for me, for what it's worth.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





queeb posted:

Thanks all! I'm probably going to expand into my own website and eBay, I bought a laser too so I'm messing around with monetizing that somehow, probably look into non-ttrpg related print things too but so far this is keeping me super busy already, and I imagine the back half of the year is going to be nuts.

The laser you can make just a ton of poo poo with. There is kind of like two large spaces in the laser market; Wine mom poo poo and nerd poo poo. The glowforge allows wine moms to make and sell wine mom stuff and nerds use higher end lasers to sell stuff to nerds. That being said, there is still a lot of room in those markets, but you have to have a good feel for them. Like you can sell a lot of neat tokens and markers for 40k, especially last edition when there was an infinite amount of special rules and whatnot. 10th edition just came out, so there is limited existing product, so you can get in on the ground floor. The advantage here is you can make cool stuff for yourself too. Lots of times the tokens are acrylic.

The other angle is decorations and wine mom stuff, so you can get a lot of patterns really cheap and just crank out a bunch of jesus things, wine things, or hell, even Trump things. Sometimes I go out to the farmers markets in rural Oregon and sell punisher Trump skulls and maga poo poo and sell out every time. You should try and find a good small item that you can make to cut out of all the scrap wood. I am helping with a car show later this year and so all my laser projects that have big blank spots and whatnot are getting keychain things cut out of them. TockoRoko makes a ton of cool patterns but they can be a bit of a work until you get your process down. Another thing you can do with the laser is just prototype patterns. You have the laser so you can see if they will work, so just make a bunch of different patterns or files or whatnot and sell them instead of the finished product. Sure, it won't be a whole lot of income, but the only work is designing the pattern. You never have to mail something out. So you could get a little income passively after you develop a pattern library.

I also make pornographic christmas ornaments and have the local adult store sell them during the holidays. Those sell pretty good. I also make a bunch of weed related ornaments and have a local weed store that sells them but they only give me product for em, but it works out.



https://www.etsy.com/shop/TockoRoko?ref=shop-header-name&listing_id=1402220113

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007

Not too stupid

Neo Rasa posted:

I didn't realize it would make a difference I can use PETG, I just figured PLA would be cheaper but looking at the prices now I see it's not a huge difference.

Yeah PETG is naturally transparent. If it wasn't for the mechanics how how printing works would be as clear as a bottle, which is PET.

PLA is naturally a yellow white color

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

Bambu suscks abllt, gently caress them in their fcking faces

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




AlexDeGruven posted:

Threw the 0.6mm hotend assembly on the X1-C and I'm blown away with how good the quality is.

When I think about larger than 0.4mm nozzles, my old-person-printer brain says "sacrifice a lot of quality for speed".

And yes, while I'm technically limited to 0.18mm layers, even at that quality stuff still looks great.

I will continue to stamp my feet about how 0.6mm should be the standard nozzle size
The difference in quality is fairly negligible, the difference in speed and toughness is worth the super minor tradeoff

queeb
Jun 10, 2004

m



Selecting the .6 nozzle on bambuslicer usually gives me longer print times compared to the .4, I'm guessing that is flow rate limited?

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

queeb posted:

Selecting the .6 nozzle on bambuslicer usually gives me longer print times compared to the .4, I'm guessing that is flow rate limited?

Could be, 0.6mm nozzles do get flow rate limited at much lower speeds. It’s a 50% increase in nozzle diameter, but more than doubling the area of the opening material flows through. Could also be that Bambu didn’t bother tuning their 0.6mm profile very well. They wouldn’t be the only ones, Prusa slicer’s default 0.6 settings aren’t great either IMO

Saw some statistics from a poll that most 3d printer users never use anything but 0.4mm nozzles, putting too much effort into other nozzle sizes is probably a waste of effort on the company’s part, as it’s a tiny slice of the market and people who care enough to swap nozzles probably care enough to tune their profile anyway.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Acid Reflux posted:

Bambu suscks abllt, gently caress them in their fcking faces

You feeling ok, friend?

queeb posted:

Selecting the .6 nozzle on bambuslicer usually gives me longer print times compared to the .4, I'm guessing that is flow rate limited?

I'm going to hazard a guess that it's model dependent, as well. Something that would benefit from wider lines, and therefore fewer lines should see better times. Now you've got me wanting to try some different models and see how they compare.

At least with the speeds this thing spits out prints, I'm finally putting a dent in my filament stash.

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008
The biggest change for me with . 6 was layer height. Simply swapping nozzles but changing nothing else gave me the exact same times.

I'm sure walls, etc can go down faster, but super slicer did not show any improvement simply adding a new nozzle size

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

AlexDeGruven posted:

You feeling ok, friend?
Apparently I was not, and I have no idea why or even how I posted that. I was in bed at like 9PM last night because I'm old and feeble.

It's a bit concerning to be honest, I don't have any history of sleepwalking or sleep talking, or sleep posting, or anything like that.

Sorry my crazy brain spilled out into here.

BadMedic
Jul 22, 2007

I've never actually seen him heal anybody.
Pillbug

queeb posted:

Selecting the .6 nozzle on bambuslicer usually gives me longer print times compared to the .4, I'm guessing that is flow rate limited?

You should be lowering the number of perimeters, or yeah the speed up will barely exist. A 0.6 is wider than a 0.4, so you only need 2 perimeters for every 3 you had with 0.4

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

Acid Reflux posted:

Apparently I was not, and I have no idea why or even how I posted that. I was in bed at like 9PM last night because I'm old and feeble.

It's a bit concerning to be honest, I don't have any history of sleepwalking or sleep talking, or sleep posting, or anything like that.

Sorry my crazy brain spilled out into here.

Spooky!

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Acid Reflux posted:

Apparently I was not, and I have no idea why or even how I posted that. I was in bed at like 9PM last night because I'm old and feeble.

It's a bit concerning to be honest, I don't have any history of sleepwalking or sleep talking, or sleep posting, or anything like that.

Sorry my crazy brain spilled out into here.

Yeek. I should talk about the time we couldn't find the key fob for the van. Checking everywhere in the house that would make sense. Finally found it on top of a kitchen cupboard where only I can reach, so it would definitely only have been me. But I have zero recollection of putting it there or any sensible reason to have done so.

The brain is weird sometimes.

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

I think what's bothering me the most is that I would never have intentionally said anything like that. I really like my Bambu stuff!

At any rate, apologies again for whatever the hell that was all about.

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




AlexDeGruven posted:

Yeek. I should talk about the time we couldn't find the key fob for the van. Checking everywhere in the house that would make sense. Finally found it on top of a kitchen cupboard where only I can reach, so it would definitely only have been me. But I have zero recollection of putting it there or any sensible reason to have done so.

The brain is weird sometimes.

A lady was staying over my house for the first time
In the morning I asked her if she had cooked in the middle of the night, because my canister of couscous was open, and also had a bottle of vape juice in it?
Walked into my bathroom to find the lid to the canister sitting on the sink and a look in the mirror revealed I had shaved down from a full beard to just a single mutton chop
The real kicker is that sleepwalking me had cleaned up the beard trimmings better than awake me ever has

Humans are wild

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Are you taking Ambien or any other sleep products? I suffer from insomnia and was prescribed an Ambien like drug, Lunesta. Well it helped me sleep so I thought that was good. A couple weeks in to using it I woke up one morning and was reading my emails like I normally do, but noticed a strange email from a car dealership. It was in my primary inbox not my promotions/ads box, so I originally thought it was just a new marketing ploy to bypass those filters. I open the email and find out that is not the case, I had actually used my American Express's car dealership perk and arranged to buy a Subaru Crosstrek in Royal Moore, an area in West Portland. I had been thinking about purchasing the car for a while as I was driving a Nissan Sentra at the time and I was getting more into skiing and Winter sports and wanted a Crosstrek. Between the Amex perk and the pricing they had, I got a really good deal, so I went and picked up the car when it arrived, but it was drat odd to arrange the purchase of a car with no recollection whatsoever. I stopped taking Lunesta and just use Zzzquil or Unisom now.

mewse
May 2, 2006

i 3d printed a guitar body in 8 pieces and used CA glue to stick it together - definitely my biggest print ever, used like 1.2 rolls of filament



got the design from here:

https://www.printables.com/model/317570-voronoi-stratocaster-3d-printed-electric-guitar-bo

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums

IncredibleIgloo posted:

The laser you can make just a ton of poo poo with. There is kind of like two large spaces in the laser market; Wine mom poo poo and nerd poo poo. The glowforge allows wine moms to make and sell wine mom stuff and nerds use higher end lasers to sell stuff to nerds. That being said, there is still a lot of room in those markets, but you have to have a good feel for them.

That's something I know I lack -- there's a fellow I only got to sort-of know as an acquaintance/colleague and he just had a real feel for this kind of stuff that I could tell I lacked. I was always really impressed by his ability to (apparently) effortlessly just dial into what people would like to buy and how much they'd pay.

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




Kind of losing my mind at this point

I sold a friend my Prusa Mini. I delivered it with a fresh print still on the build plate as proof that it was working fine.
It did get jostled a little bit in transit and the pinda had shifted, so a valuable learning experience as I taught him how to adjust the Z and what a good first layer looks like and we sliced and printed his first Benchy and everything was grand!

He's trying to print a split ergonomic keyboard now, which is fairly ambitious for having just started printing, imo, but whatever.
First side printed totally fine, though the support settings were a little off, whatever. Pretty drat good for his fifth or sixth print.


Suddenly, it's underextrusion city.




Were it anyone else I'd be running through "oh yeah just up the temp a little bit" "make sure the spool isn't tangled"
all of that

But this is a Prusa Mini that's been dilligently serving me for over 3 years, using the Prusa default profiles, with no major issues, and suddenly this.
I loaded this spool in fresh when I gave him the printer and he absolutely has not unloaded it, so it's not kinked.
It's polymaker PLA so it's good filament that should have no issues printing at normal recommended temps
The spool holder I gave him isn't the best but that shouldn't be causing issues like this

Gave him a silly test to see if it was directly related to a certain Z height but that looks fine


Now, of note, if he bumps the table it's sitting on real good, the Z shifts a bit, so something is loose. The PINDA has been cranked the gently caress down so that's not the problem. Could there be some sort of slippage in the Z screw??

I'm at my wit's end trying to diagnose this
Please give me ideas, goons

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


I'm over this printer. It was powering on and all the parts were moving and I thought I was good to go

I asked it to preheat, screen goes black and I'm back to having no life.

At this point I've replaced the hot end and the main board and the psu in the last month and a half. And of course everything I Google that almost sounds like it could answer my question is a reddit link that's private because they're still having a temper tantrum.

Is there something in the price range of the ender 3v2 that isn't this thing? I'm over dealing with it and want to make it go away

Edit: I have life when I unplug everything except the cr touch. So I guess just plug poo poo back in and see what happens?

Len fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jul 1, 2023

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





The Eyes Have It posted:

That's something I know I lack -- there's a fellow I only got to sort-of know as an acquaintance/colleague and he just had a real feel for this kind of stuff that I could tell I lacked. I was always really impressed by his ability to (apparently) effortlessly just dial into what people would like to buy and how much they'd pay.

I don't necessarily have a feel directly for what people would buy, but I do go to craft fairs, farmer's markets, and look around on etsy at what is selling the best. You don't have to do too much work to figure out what works for other people. And GOP folks have an extremely close relationship with their politics, self definition, and purchases, so they will always be a market. You don't even have to try hard with them. A minion with a speech bubble that says "Lets Go Brandon" doesn't sound like it would sell, but I made a dozen fridge magnet sized ones and they all sold. Word of warning though; the more rural you go to sell Trump merch the more money you can make, but it can be pretty uncomfortable sometimes. Also, if you are not a white person, that market might not work out for you.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Len posted:

I'm over this printer. It was powering on and all the parts were moving and I thought I was good to go

I asked it to preheat, screen goes black and I'm back to having no life.

At this point I've replaced the hot end and the main board and the psu in the last month and a half. And of course everything I Google that almost sounds like it could answer my question is a reddit link that's private because they're still having a temper tantrum.

Is there something in the price range of the ender 3v2 that isn't this thing? I'm over dealing with it and want to make it go away

Edit: I have life when I unplug everything except the cr touch. So I guess just plug poo poo back in and see what happens?

I had good luck introducing my sister and father to 3D printing with the Elegoo Neptune series. I think that would be a good way to go.

Off the top off my head, if we assume the power supply is good, the main board is good, and we are still encountering problems I would wonder if there is a thermistor or temperature detector not working right and signaling a thermal overload condition and shutting the printer down.

Just so I understand, are you saying that when you plug in the printer and set it to print you lose power to the printer and other things on that circuit? Or just the printer?

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums

IncredibleIgloo posted:

I don't necessarily have a feel directly for what people would buy, but I do go to craft fairs, farmer's markets, and look around on etsy at what is selling the best. You don't have to do too much work to figure out what works for other people. And GOP folks have an extremely close relationship with their politics, self definition, and purchases, so they will always be a market. You don't even have to try hard with them. A minion with a speech bubble that says "Lets Go Brandon" doesn't sound like it would sell, but I made a dozen fridge magnet sized ones and they all sold. Word of warning though; the more rural you go to sell Trump merch the more money you can make, but it can be pretty uncomfortable sometimes. Also, if you are not a white person, that market might not work out for you.

Serving that particular market's definitely not for me, but good points about surveying what works for other people and follow that.

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Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


IncredibleIgloo posted:

I had good luck introducing my sister and father to 3D printing with the Elegoo Neptune series. I think that would be a good way to go.

Off the top off my head, if we assume the power supply is good, the main board is good, and we are still encountering problems I would wonder if there is a thermistor or temperature detector not working right and signaling a thermal overload condition and shutting the printer down.

Just so I understand, are you saying that when you plug in the printer and set it to print you lose power to the printer and other things on that circuit? Or just the printer?

I turned the printer on and asked it to print and the printer shut off. Everything else on the circuit is still on and working. I plugged the hot end back in and asked it to preheat the hot end and it successfully did. I got summoned by my other half before I could reconnect the bed and check it

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