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Nodosaur posted:anyone else dislike how they've mickey-mousified Classic Sonic? Like he has all his edges filed off and is just a cute mascot? I dunno. I think they pushed it a bit too much, but I do like the idea of setting apart classic and modern Sonic by having classic sonic be a little bit more whimsical? But like, Sonic 1-3, his very much on those title screens giving a cool look and wagging his finger. Like, maybe classic sonic should be more like "rascal/trickster" like, ruin eggmans plans and laugh at him.
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Pants Donkey posted:If you have a PC and don’t mind doing the legwork, every game on Origins has a fan-made port with a mind-boggling amount of options before even getting into mods. If you just want an easy way to spend a nostalgic weekend and aren’t the kind of Sonic nerd that knows poo poo like “roll locking”, then Origins is perfectly fine. It just falls way short of what a true compilation of the Retro games could have been, and sega didn’t give the team enough time to work on Sonic 3&K so it can be a bit buggy but more akin to Robotnik’s deadly speed traps than an unplayable mess like ‘06 or Boom. I would like to play them on my Deck and I don’t really care to get those fan made ports working on it. I will think about it
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Jul 2, 2023 01:38
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sonic has always been cute
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Jul 2, 2023 01:57
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Dabir posted:He was blue, like the gamecube Listen, I'm not slow or anything. He wasn't that dark. But he was a dark blue. Like, weirdly dark compared to the Genesis era stuff. I googled the art I was thinking of, and he was still darker on that compared to Modern Sonic. But yeah, the figure I had made him even darker than that. That's why I got confused. I thought they based it on the weird art colors since it was all the same year or so. 
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Nodosaur posted:anyone else dislike how they've mickey-mousified Classic Sonic? Like he has all his edges filed off and is just a cute mascot? I dunno. I don’t think Classic Sonic has had enough games to really say one way or another. Hesse’s shorts keep that spirit as he teases his enemies, but the actual games were not exactly big on story. Being a mute doesn’t help either.
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Hesse's Sonic is the perfect balance, he's simultaneously adorable and has a sassy attitude.
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Hrist posted:Listen, I'm not slow or anything. He wasn't that dark. But he was a dark blue. Like, weirdly dark compared to the Genesis era stuff. I googled the art I was thinking of, and he was still darker on that compared to Modern Sonic. But yeah, the figure I had made him even darker than that. That's why I got confused. I thought they based it on the weird art colors since it was all the same year or so.    
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The sprite comparisons made me realise I really like Sonic 3’s shoes. They’re cute.
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MechaSeinfeld posted:The sprite comparisons made me realise I really like Sonic 3’s shoes. They’re cute. They guy who did the character sprites for S3&K also did the character sprites for Sega's Mickey/Donald sprites, and it's hard not to notice the feet/shoes and walk cycles being more Disney than the earlier games.
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Jul 2, 2023 13:23
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I hate those flat flipper rear end shoes all my homies hate the sonic 2 shoes My sonic wore big chunky soaps
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flavor.flv posted:I hate those flat flipper rear end shoes all my homies hate the sonic 2 shoes Dreamcast Sonic was my first Sonic too, so I just want the hog to have good arch support. I always saw Sonic as very definitively blue in the Adventure games, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some locations in Adventure 1 that maybe made him come across as indigo-ish. I feel like that game had pretty hardcore lighting sometimes.
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ArfJason posted:decided to overlay some of the sprites to check Sonic 3 still has the best sprite IMO. Friendly smile, less rigid pose, and they shaded his spikes so they don't look like the cursed mohawk design. Mania's shading looks even more like a mohawk. flavor.flv posted:I hate those flat flipper rear end shoes all my homies hate the sonic 2 shoes Sonic's shoes in 1 and 2 look like those medieval shoes where they had to tie the tips to their shins. I'm glad they gave Oshima some flying jester to ruin instead. That Fucking Sned fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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Jul 2, 2023 16:26
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i gotta admit i was never ever a fan of the american sonic mohawk poo poo
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I don't even care about Mickey Mouse but what they did when they brought him into colour is worse than anything they've done to Sonic. Oh, you thought those were his pupils? No, they're his whole eyes. It wasn't great when the DIC cartoons made Sonic's pupils blink but at least they didn't change the whites to flesh coloured. E: Oh man, they did exactly that with that baby Sonic design in Underground, huh. I found another screenshot that looks OK though.  
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ArfJason posted:i gotta admit i was never ever a fan of the american sonic mohawk poo poo I think Tails (and maybe Knuckles in Underground) were the only characters that weren’t altered that much for the cartoons. I never understood why they couldn’t just use Robotnik’s game design either
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Larryb posted:I think Tails (and maybe Knuckles in Underground) were the only characters that weren’t altered that much for the cartoons. I never understood why they couldn’t just use Robotnik’s game design either you only see his ingame sprite pretty briefly and at weird angles, while the american cover art for sonic 2 is basically what the cartoons used. likely just referencing that official art
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That loving Sned posted:I don't even care about Mickey Mouse but what they did when they brought him into colour is worse than anything they've done to Sonic. Excuse you, that's not Sonic. That's actually Robotnik's Fake Hedgehog Baby. It also messily explodes on screen, because what the gently caress is Sonic Underground.
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I had that toy and the head broke off and now my severed Sonic head is a prized possession of mine
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Endorph posted:you only see his ingame sprite pretty briefly and at weird angles, while the american cover art for sonic 2 is basically what the cartoons used. likely just referencing that official art Its pretty wild there were 3 different versions of Robotnik until the Sonic Adventure redesign. The classic game version even had plenty of official art of him in the early 90's so it can't be lack of references. Wonder what prompted Sega to design two more versions of him.
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Palmtree Panic posted:Its pretty wild there were 3 different versions of Robotnik until the Sonic Adventure redesign. The classic game version even had plenty of official art of him in the early 90's so it can't be lack of references. Also were all 3 cartoons made by DiC? Because they basically use the same Robotnik design between them aside from some changes to the arms and head. The AOSTH design did have the yellow cape in an early test pilot though (which you can see footage of in the ending credits) but not in the show itself for some reason Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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Palmtree Panic posted:Its pretty wild there were 3 different versions of Robotnik until the Sonic Adventure redesign. The classic game version even had plenty of official art of him in the early 90's so it can't be lack of references. Even after...
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Eh, that was specifically for the Sonic Adventure adaptation in the UK comic, which was the last story before it went into just printing re-runs before it's cancellation. StC Robotnik was weird, in that he started off looking like game Robotnik (just with black voids for eyes instead of sunglasses) and later 'regenerated' into the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog design. And props to the StC artists for making the design from the silly cartoon actually look menacing most of the time. For the Sonic Adventure story, he just put on a new coat!
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Veotax posted:Eh, that was specifically for the Sonic Adventure adaptation in the UK comic, which was the last story before it went into just printing re-runs before it's cancellation. Which makes it even weirder that the Archie version killed him off only to later replace him with a counterpart from another dimension
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a counterpart who initially looks the same as the original except all blue/black who gets blown up and downloads himself into a backup body
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So why exactly did Archie bother with all that when they could have just given the original Robotnik a change of clothes (his head shape’s also different but I’m sure they could have figured something out)?
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Jul 2, 2023 19:20
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Ken Penders wanted to keep him killed off forever
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Dabir posted:Ken Penders wanted to keep him killed off forever Surely even he knew that Sega would never allow that and that the character would appear in more games that the comic would eventually have to adapt Also, did the other Robotnik bodies shown in storage during the issue that introduced the modern design ever get used for something?
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Larryb posted:Surely even he knew that Sega would never allow that and that the character would appear in more games that the comic would eventually have to adapt No, and no Ken Penders was and is a lunatic egomaniac, and those other bodies were a one-off joke. One of them is just Hulk Hogan in a red jumpsuit
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Dabir posted:No, and no Ah, so Penders was always a nutcase even back then (kind of a pity they didn’t get rid of him sooner)
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Karl Bollers wrote those issues.
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Who are we to judge the only man who used “original character, do not steal” in court and wonThe Bee posted:Excuse you, that's not Sonic. That's actually Robotnik's Fake Hedgehog Baby. It also messily explodes on screen, because what the gently caress is Sonic Underground. Thank you for reminding me. I can’t believe I forgot the only other memorable thing that happened in Sonic Underground
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ken penders killed robotnik and considered it one of his finest stories. he then went off to work on the knuckles series and made everyone else deal with what to write without the main antagonist. karl bollers, penders' hated nemesis, was one of the few writers at the time to have actually read other people's stories and so pulled on an old alternate dimension robotnik thread from years before because having a sonic comic without eggman is loving stupid
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Wasn't killing off Robotnik slightly more reasonable in the context of everyone assuming the comic was ending at around issue #50 and it going on way longer than that? Like everything that's been said is all true but still.
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Larryb posted:So why exactly did Archie bother with all that when they could have just given the original Robotnik a change of clothes (his head shape’s also different but I’m sure they could have figured something out)? the explanations for why sonic, robotnik, and amy's appearances change just in time for the sonic adventure adaptation are all really funny though
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Looper posted:the explanations for why sonic, robotnik, and amy's appearances change just in time for the sonic adventure adaptation are all really funny though And then for Tails and Knuckles they just changed their eye color with zero explanation Speaking of Amy, did the Fleetway comic adapt her Adventure look as well?
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Larryb posted:And then for Tails and Knuckles they just changed their eye color with zero explanation IIRC, they changed her 'hair'style to match Adventure, but not her outfit. StC Amy is another character design oddity, having kind of 'upturned' spikes.  Because the only art they had to go off when they introduced her, was this key art from Sonic CD, and they misread how her spikes worked. So that stuck until Adventure 
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I love how Archie, SatAM, and STC both completely misunderstood the design sensibility behind Eggman's machines
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Nodosaur posted:I love how Archie, SatAM, and STC both completely misunderstood the design sensibility behind Eggman's machines Ironically the one that came the closest to the tone of the games was the more comedy focused AoStH (right down to Robotnik being a giant manchild who had yet to fully conquer the planet and Tails having some mechanical ability) Also I kind of like Fleetway Amy’s design and still think it would have made for a good Super/Hyper Amy look in Origins Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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One thing behind StC's adaptation of Robotnik is that they got informed that both the AoSTH and SatAM cartoons were coming to the UK, but were never given any instruction on which, if either, they were supposed to align the comic's canon with. So they sort of split the difference and had Robotnik do the egg regeneration thing to match AoSTH's look for him, and did the time travel takeover thing to make Robotnik rule over Mobius, but didn't introduce any other elements from the cartoons because no one ever said they needed to. Sega played pretty fast and loose with Sonic's brand identity in those days.
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