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Dr_Strangelove posted:Having lived at Loring AFB for three years while in elementary school, I can confidently say that the B-52G* was loud as hell. B-52s are loud, but not nearly as loud as the C-5 with the original engines.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:B-52s are loud, but not nearly as loud as the C-5 with the original engines. Back when I ran, decades ago, in the suburbs south of Omaha, I saw one departing Offutt AFB. The noise was impressive.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:B-52s are loud, but not nearly as loud as the C-5 with the original engines. The TF33 powering the B-52H, while shrieky as all hell and extremely loud by today's standards, is positively quiet compared to the J57. I'm not sure how the old BUFFs would compare with an old Galaxy.
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From a local YKA Facebook Group:  FB caption says this was a water bomber conversion that crashed in 1960. Other comments say it was a crop duster. Now located at the museum of flight in Seattle.
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mexecan posted:FB caption says this was a water bomber conversion that crashed in 1960. Other comments say it was a crop duster.
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stealie72 posted:I know we used to be a lot more cavalier with pesticides, but that thing would be crop dusting a county. Yeah that was Operation Ranch Hand.
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stealie72 posted:I know we used to be a lot more cavalier with pesticides, but that thing would be crop dusting a county. There were Constellations converted as Sprayers too.
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Jul 3, 2023 02:58
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Godholio posted:The TF33 powering the B-52H, while shrieky as all hell and extremely loud by today's standards, is positively quiet compared to the J57. I’m sticking with what I know. The pre-H B-52s were horrific.
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Jul 3, 2023 03:13
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mexecan posted:From a local YKA Facebook Group: Cool, this plane was in the movie Memphis Belle, portraying at least two different B-17s. https://www.museumofflight.org/exhibits-and-events/aircraft/boeing-b-17f-flying-fortress
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Warbird posted:Saw what looked like a slightly weirdly shaped passenger plane way above us while golfing and stayed to my partner that it sort of looked like a C-17. Pulled up my tracker app and lo and behold it was. 10 out of 10 would golf again. I spotted a C-17 taking off from PER the other month and it was reporting on ADS-B so I could confirm it. 
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Jul 3, 2023 04:28
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:There were Constellations converted as Sprayers too.  So were those doing things like spraying entire national parks or something? I can't imagine the economics of crop dusting with something that large.
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Jul 3, 2023 12:47
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stealie72 posted:
Judging by this, you're not far off: Geoff Goodall posted:Aircraft Specialties Inc based at Mesa-Falcon Field, Arizona operated Constellations as sprayers on various tasks, including annual deployments to Canada to spray forests for bud-worm infestations. N608AS was a surplus USAF VC-121B https://www.goodall.com.au/photographs/constellation-usa70/70sconstellations.html
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Conifair in Quebec was another company with Constellation budworm sprayers, they also had DC4s and 6s.
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Dr_Strangelove posted:Also, video: Holy loving poo poo that live fire demo! "Yeah were going to drop some napalm, perform an air to air intercept, maybe a couple of strafing runs." "Hmm, what kind of crowd control will we need to make sure no one gets injured wandering into the wrong area? We expect a couple of thousand visitors." "Good point, lets put out some garbage cans in front of the bleachers. That should do it."
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Dr_Strangelove posted:Also, video: that low altitude formation napalm drop at the end was sick
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This is a question that's likely to be unanswerable, mostly due to foggy memories from ~25 years ago. Back in summer 1999 when traveling to Montana/Wyoming, I flew from DTW to MSP to make the connection. Upon either landing at MSP or taking off from MSP, my memory is that I saw an SR-71 near one of the runways, perhaps near a hangar, but definitely a fair bit away from the passenger terminals. Wiki tells me that there are both an Air Force Reserve and an Air National Guard units co-located at MSP, but they're both airlift units flying C-130s, nothing that could possibly be confused for an SR-71, even to my mid-teens idiocy at the time in not really knowing any aircraft beyond F-14, F-15, or F-16, and SR-71s. Maybe I'm still an idiot, could easily just be a memory that was mistaken, but I could have sworn being blown away there was an SR-71 just down there. Was the SR-71 doing airshows at that points? That's the only reason one could possibly be at an otherwise unrelated USAF/ANG installation, right? Any other possibilities? (I'm aware that occam's razor is likely in play here, but I'm humoring myself and asking)
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Thats a weird place for an SR-71 to be but emergency landings make anything possible. Still, SR -71s were based either around the pacific, in Europe (England) or at Nellis for obvious reasons. NASA’s research ones would be a candidate for ending up in strange places, but the SR-71 would be pretty far from anywhere it could go supersonic at MSP. NASA did apparently run some experiments related to IRIDIUM which only needed altitude and not speed, but again you’d think that if they needed to test high latitude stuff for some reason they’d head toward Alaska from Dryden which is far from MSP
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Colinrobinson posted:This is a question that's likely to be unanswerable, mostly due to foggy memories from ~25 years ago. Per Wikipedia, only NASA was operating them in 1999 and they'd be retired by the end of the year. Edit: Maybe one was in transit to a museum and stopped at MSP for some reason? Kinda struggling to come up with plausible scenarios. EasilyConfused fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jul 3, 2023 |
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Cool video of a Wright model B look-a-like built such that it can actually be flown today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN9JzxzDXU0
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pik_d posted:Cool video of a Wright model B look-a-like built such that it can actually be flown today Actually flown legally, any sufficiently accurate replica of a Wright Model B can be flown.
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pik_d posted:Cool video of a Wright model B look-a-like built such that it can actually be flown today I wonder if Glenn Curtiss was still alive when ailerons got cut into that Model B. Might have been the smuggest man on the planet that day.
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EasilyConfused posted:Per Wikipedia, only NASA was operating them in 1999 and they'd be retired by the end of the year. If an SR-71 landed at MSP they'd have to also fly in a tanker from Edwards or Beale or something just to get it off the ground again. Maybe its engines could run on Jet-A if they weren't going to go super high? idk e: dunno why I didn't just look this up first. the Minnesota ANG museum had an A-12 on display at that time, and they're located at MSP. It isn't visible there anymore or listed on their site because it has now been moved to the CIA headquarters.  https://www.thesr71blackbird.com/Aircraft/Blackbird-Aircraft/a-12-blackbird-06931-128 e2: further research indicates that the J58 engine could indeed run on JP-5 and similar regular jet fuels, just with a Mach 1.5 speed limit. Amazing what you can learn on the internet Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jul 4, 2023 |
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Sagebrush posted:e: dunno why I didn't just look this up first. the Minnesota ANG museum had an A-12 on display at that time, and they're located at MSP. It isn't visible there anymore or listed on their site because it has now been moved to the CIA headquarters. That's awesome, thank you! I should have done more searching on the other variants like the A-12. And it certainly makes sense for a final resting place for that specific airframe.
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Dang Sagebrush, nice digging.
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Colinrobinson posted:Was the SR-71 doing airshows at that points? That's the only reason one could possibly be at an otherwise unrelated USAF/ANG installation, right? Any other possibilities? (I'm aware that occam's razor is likely in play here, but I'm humoring myself and asking) There's a museum there and they had an A-12 there at that time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Air_National_Guard_Museum
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MisterOblivious posted:There's a museum there and they had an A-12 there at that time. Post / username combo
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Sagebrush posted:e2: further research indicates that the J58 engine could indeed run on JP-5 and similar regular jet fuels, just with a Mach 1.5 speed limit. Amazing what you can learn on the internet LMAO that mach 1.5 is the "limp home mode" equivalent for the SR 71. What a ridiculous plane/engine.
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Carth Dookie posted:LMAO that mach 1.5 is the "limp home mode" equivalent for the SR 71. What a ridiculous plane/engine. Oh there’s so much fun in the declassified flight manual https://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/manual/ e.g. normal rotation is at 180 KEAS during take off and liftoff at 210 KEAS. Normal climb is 400 KEAS until Mach 0.9. Nominal approach speed is 185 KEAS, landing 165. Max weight landing is 221 and 191.
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In hypersonic flight, only like 20% of the thrust comes out the back of the engine; 80% is from nature abhorring the vacuum it’s pulling in front :0
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pik_d posted:Cool video of a Wright model B look-a-like built such that it can actually be flown today What does it run on? Mogas? I mean, the original predates tetraethyllead and that that low‐compression charm, so it would be a shame to use 100LL. It might have to if it makes visits to other airfields though. e: Oh boo it uses an engine first produced in 2009. High‐compression, requires 100 octane, can’t even get an STC to run mogas. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jul 4, 2023 |
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SR-71 chat? Always good timing to post and read this again: https://jalopnik.com/that-time-an-sr-71-made-an-emergency-landing-in-norway-1765436508 Pictures: http://www.sr71.us/bodo.html
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HookedOnChthonics posted:In hypersonic flight, only like 20% of the thrust comes out the back of the engine; 80% is from nature abhorring the vacuum it’s pulling in front :0 Yeah, that's one thing the Top Gun sequel kinda got *right*, and it was corroborated by Brian Shul in that "outrunning a Libyan SA-5" story that the if/when you pushed the Blackbird too hard, she could accelerate out of her envelope in a manner that could be hard, if not impossible to stop, and that if you weren't careful, the plane would keep accelerating until it ripped itself apart.
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This Curtiss was built by an airline pilot (that's him in the cotton shirt). Filmed at at the Millville (NJ) Car & Air Show in 2006. The chassis, at least, is a bit closer to the original.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6W-gngIKcw (Apologies for the bouncing around. This was a video-disc camera with zero image stabilization & I had no tripod.) PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jul 4, 2023 |
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Unmuffled flat six? I bet that made a noise. Probably twice as much power as the original too!
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Arson Daily posted:Unmuffled flat six? I bet that made a noise. Probably twice as much power as the original too! probably like 4-6x, the original was ~25hp and even the smallest Continental flat sixes put out ~115.
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That’s a C125, an immediate predecessor of the O-300. 125hp from 282ci.
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wanna see that curtiss pull a hammerhead turn
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PainterofCrap posted:This Curtiss was built by an airline pilot (that's him in the cotton shirt). Filmed at at the Millville (NJ) Car & Air Show in 2006. The chassis, at least, is a bit closer to the original. Brings back memories of this bird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya9rY3ijqq4 Hopefully they'll find an opportunity to put her on display someday.
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I wonder if the Flyer would be controllable if it had two engines and lost one of them.
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