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Jedit posted:He's intimidating because no matter how many times you thwart him or even kill him, you haven't stopped him.
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Rappaport posted:Ohh, I see. I'm sorry, I misread you, my bad No problem at all, we're just talking about comic book movies/shows! Everyone posted:It really wasn't. The problem Eternals had was that it was simultaneously too short and too long. You had a 2.5+ hour movie about these new but really old super-duper powered beings (who couldn't be arsed to do a single loving thing when Thanos rolled up to wreck the planet/galaxy/universe). But then you also had a little over 2.5 hours to do 10-12 origin stories spanning thousands of years of human history and tell a story of poo poo that's relevant to "right now" in the MCU involving these people. The thing probably should have been a 12 hour series with each hour introducing a different Eternal and then hours 11-12 cover the main conflict among them. I mean, I have specific gripes: - Sersi's actress, Gemma Chan, was wooden as hell, and everything she did on screen was terrible. Most of the cast came off as pretty awful, but then, I realize they're working with green screens, so I get that they're set up to fail. Nanjiani was really amusing. Kit Harrington's Black Knight is interesting, but Harrington had like 2 minutes of screen time. - The only Eternal's character (character (e.g., a personality) being different than powerset) I found even mildly intriguing was Gilgamesh, so, naturally- yeah. - A lot of the CGI was pretty bad, especially for the deviants; the deviants were generic, pointless, and added absolutely zero tension to any scene they were in. - There was no time for the audience to have a reason to give a poo poo, which is a perfectly valid criticism - if your movie has too many moving pieces to do a story justice, then your movie doesn't really work. - The climax has zero tension, because you know this movie isn't going to upset the status quo, and we also have no reason to be upset if someone we like dies, because we don't actually like any of these characters. I could go on, but it really should have been a miniseries. A well written series that develops each Eternal over an episode or two that weaves in heroes we know would've turned out significantly better than the mess we got. An hourlong episode about Kingo's ruse would be interesting, especially if you show some crossover with the other MCU folks.
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Yeah, it is a dream job, just not what Jen originally wanted. The show's thematic just revolves around Jen having different dreams, or having to accept new ones, like being a super-hero (Bruce's big speech in the first episode) and all the silliness that comes with it.
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Sockser posted:I legitimately do not remember a single thing about Eternals, other than I didn't enjoy it The thing with Black Knight and Blade is the best part of the movie, and that's not saying much.
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live with fruit posted:At some point, they're going to have to acknowledge the giant stone alien sticking out of the ocean. "It's an island in the middle of the ocean. We handle it by not handling it," said somebody from Wakanda, probably.
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Red posted:Most of the cast came off as pretty awful, but then, I realize they're working with green screens, so I get that they're set up to fail. Zhao shot the majority of the movie on location. So there might've been some digital enhancements, but it wasn't the typical Marvel shot in a parking lot in Atlanta with big blue sheets everywhere
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Eternals also had an overly ambitious ending, splitting them up and introducing Harry Styles. Just assumed people would care.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:the deviants are easily the worst of an already very mcu homework movie Why wouldn’t they ally with the Eternals who want to save Earth from the Celestials? No, instead we get a dumb fight in a dark cave
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Parkingtigers posted:Calling it now, Echo will be a show that gets middling to low reviews and I will somehow adore it and will be starting forums drama with people who think is sucks. I really like Eternals, which improves massively on a second viewing (as all long and slow films do) where the pacing comes across as just right.
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Gonz posted:Kang, so far, is infinitely beatable and is an infinite chump. Before Infinity War Thanos was a giant loser who sat around doing nothing while his underlings betrayed him and lost Infinity stones.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Before Infinity War Thanos was a giant loser who sat around doing nothing while his underlings betrayed him and lost Infinity stones. True. Thanos was a big ol’ chump at first. But he also didn’t get killed in every single appearance leading to Infinity War.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Before Infinity War Thanos was a giant loser who sat around doing nothing while his underlings betrayed him and lost Infinity stones. The one person we see openly defying Thanos before Infinity War received nothing but threats that didn't matter, even.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Everything with them in the movie was pointless And in the comics, aren't Deviants like...more sentient? I think Thanos is actually a Deviant? But the movie reduced them to "weird monsters that look like they're made of ropes"
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DrBouvenstein posted:And in the comics, aren't Deviants like...more sentient? I think Thanos is actually a Deviant? But the movie reduced them to "weird monsters that look like they're made of ropes" Some are just crazy alien guys who generally become warlords or whatever in space. Some are monsters (the Mole Man's Giganto, for example) who just kind of end up somewhere. Skrulls are technically deviants, too.
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Secret invasion spoilers: Why should we take this skull revolution seriously? Why wouldn't they just live openly on earth? There is a colony from Thor just living already with humans, and some of them shapeshift as seen in she hulk. So who cares if the skrulls want to live at Chernobyl? Just let them, seems like a win win for everyone. Only seen half of the first episode so maybe this is already answered ahead.
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Tragicomic posted:Secret invasion spoilers:
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FlamingLiberal posted:They haven’t really given a good explanation for this That's okay, I'll just keep cursing at the screen as I keep watching then
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live with fruit posted:Eternals also had an overly ambitious ending, splitting them up and introducing Harry Styles. Just assumed people would care.
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Tragicomic posted:Secret invasion spoilers: It doesn't seem like a stretch to think that a bunch of green aliens with pointy ears would have a different experience than beautiful humanoid Asgardians. And do they want to live at Chernobyl or is that the only place that they can have their own space?
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live with fruit posted:It doesn't seem like a stretch to think that a bunch of green aliens with pointy ears would have a different experience than beautiful humanoid Asgardians. And do they want to live at Chernobyl or is that the only place that they can have their own space? They aren't affected by radiation, so it's a safe space for them.
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In the second episode Talos says he invited all Skrull refugees to Earth, with about a million on their way. Asgardians were also a known commodity with Thor as their representative, a guy who literally saved Earth a number of times. They also showed up after half the population of Earth disappeared, so there was probably room and a need as a stabilizing force. On top of all that they sent an army to fight Thanos and bring everyone back. Compare that to the Skrulls who have secretly been around for a while and still aren't a known to the rest of the world at large and oh yeah can change appearence to look like anyone.
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swickles posted:Asgardians were also a known commodity with Thor as their representative, a guy who literally saved Earth a number of times. They also showed up after half the population of Earth disappeared, so there was probably room and a need as a stabilizing force. On top of all that they sent an army to fight Thanos and bring everyone back. They also protected an infinity stone for Odin at the site of New Asgard for centuries.
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I don't know, it just feels weird. Talos says that at 164 he's not even middle aged, so why would a 30 year wait as refugees seem like such an imposition? And Earth needing super strong labor during the snap would've brought infinite employment opportunities for the skrulls during the blip
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I don't think not explaining why characters wouldn't be happy doing hard labor and living in wastelands is a failing of the show's.
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live with fruit posted:I don't think not explaining why characters wouldn't be happy doing hard labor and living in wastelands is a failing of the show's. Nicely put 
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live with fruit posted:I don't think not explaining why characters wouldn't be happy doing hard labor and living in wastelands is a failing of the show's. Surely, if (Ep 2 spoilers) You run the UK, NATO and other parts of the world you can find a tropical island to keep your people happy on instead of hiding on Chernobyl. The whole "nuke everything" plan makes no sense with the grand council on board
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Not So Fast posted:Surely, if (Ep 2 spoilers) You run the UK, NATO and other parts of the world you can find a tropical island to keep your people happy on instead of hiding on Chernobyl. The whole "nuke everything" plan makes no sense with the grand council on board It's a million Skrulls and I don't think there's an island that big that's not already populated... wait. Time to hollow out a Celestial head and hand.
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Maybe I've missed it, but have they explained what exactly the Skrulls have done for Fury/humanity in exchange for their home? I know we've seen a few scenes here and there of Talos and a few other Skrulls working for Sword or some other government organizations in vague ways, showing up and saying things. But it seems a bit hazy beyond that. Just as hazy as what Fury has done to find a home for the Skrulls. I'm not saying they don't deserve their home or anything, but both sides of the argument seem poorly displayed on the show so far. "We've done <insert here> for you, and all you've done for us is <insert here>!" And as the crux of the show, I think that's kind of a problem.
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Teek posted:It's a million Skrulls and I don't think there's an island that big that's not already populated... wait. Time to hollow out a Celestial head and hand. This would solve the complaints that marvel isn't doing anything with the celestial skull. And they could try to set up an X-Men kratoa thing
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I'm sure they will show how these immigrant refugees are evil in some way and don't deserve to live on earth lol
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Ok, so I just looked it up ... The US resettled 120,000 South Vietnamese refugees after the war, and back then earth population was way less. Fury should've just openly integrated the skrulls as part of the avengers project. This whole thing stinks of his own personal fuckup Should've been like, yeah Loki is an alien invader, but we've got these good aliens who are gonna help us out
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People freak the gently caress out everywhere about Earth immigrants. You think aliens are going to be okay? lol "Illegal Aliens" writes itself.
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Fried Watermelon posted:I'm sure they will show how these immigrant refugees are evil in some way and don't deserve to live on earth lol There was that scene with the Council and Gravik where the one councilor who didn't concede to Gravik's coronation said something to the effect that it was the Skrulls who started the Kree-Skrull war. Whether the show will go in the direction of indicting all Skrulls as inherently warlike or veer towards Gravik trying to satisfy a personal vendetta against his absent step-father, we'll see.
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Teek posted:People freak the gently caress out everywhere about Earth immigrants. You think aliens are going to be okay? lol "Illegal Aliens" writes itself. The Skrulls were fine until they learned that Donald Trump's Life Model Decoy would be seeking the Presidency in 2028 so they decided "gently caress it, let's just kill them all."
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Teek posted:People freak the gently caress out everywhere about Earth immigrants. You think aliens are going to be okay? lol "Illegal Aliens" writes itself. Even in universe, Falcon/Winter Soldier was about immigrants getting kicked out after Hulk's snap.
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JazzFlight posted:Ooof, this show is just dire. Well, I'm late, but yeah after finishing episode 2 I'm tying this show to the reported decline in marvel quality. The whole 'rescue the information just to shoot him scene' was literally a waste of air time. The whole tone that Rhodes took was completely unrealistic after a 9/11 level attack (poo poo, even the Taliban was nicer in the immediate aftermath). The writers are the c team on this one? It just feels like a slog. Hopefully it'll tie into the next Capt America somehow. Rhodes speech to Fury was the only good part. Fury definitely deserved to be fired and Rhodes shot down any manipulation Fury tried. Edit: outed as a racist Tragicomic fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jul 4, 2023 |
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