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international iron ore and coal shipments would likely end too in the event of that conflict.
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production is bad ackstually, says the vetaran thread cope
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Doesn't that leave them awfully vulnerable, being located in such close proximity to your peer competitor, in case of a war though? Can they really count on Japan and Korea to remain in the U.S. sphere of influence?
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Doesn't that leave them awfully vulnerable, being located in such close proximity to your peer competitor, in case of a war though? Can they really count on Japan and Korea to remain in the U.S. sphere of influence? Nah, basic aoe4 tactics. Build your production right next to the enemy's base as the time to travel is >> than the time of production. That holds for shipbuilding, yeah?
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Palladium posted:production is bad ackstually, says the vetaran thread cope my assumption is that nearly all (most everything but autarky) production dependent on marine trade ends if the US and China are at war.
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ah yes russia also ran out ammo in a week and cant build them anymore
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Bar Ran Dun posted:my assumption is that nearly all (most everything but autarky) production dependent on marine trade ends if the US and China are at war. in that case maybe you should look up where exactly the world's iron ore comes from, because as a little hint it definitely isn't japan and south korea
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Bar Ran Dun posted:my assumption is that nearly all (most everything but autarky) production dependent on marine trade ends if the US and China are at war.
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I'm pretty sure Japan is rich in resources and good at winning wars
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The us and allies will win the war in one shattering blow that destroys the Chinese will to fight
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Slavvy posted:The us and allies will win the war in one shattering blow that destroys the Chinese will to fight All it'll take is one swift kick to bring the whole crumbling house down
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Slavvy posted:The us and allies will win the war in one shattering blow that destroys the Chinese will to fight You might even say this one battle would be decisive
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you seem to have forgotten someone... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgrhTE7Tw0w
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Its actually really funny that this would be impossible today because modern capitalism sees production as getting in the way of making money https://youtu.be/iaJ9QZp-DJo
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Cerebral Bore posted:in that case maybe you should look up where exactly the world's iron ore comes from, because as a little hint it definitely isn't japan and south korea yes correct, this is an everybody assertion. Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Why? The demand for goods will still be there and the prices will go probably go up. because the ships will be sunk. The global ocean going merchant is like 50-60 k vessels. Look at WWII. The Germans sunk a bit shy of 5000 UK merchant vessels and a thousandish US vessels. that’s not having superiority mostly subs. Blue water superiority looks like what eventually happened to Japan, which is basically all of their merchant fleet went down. That’s in an environment where states didn’t know where all the ships were. states know where all the ships are now. there hasn’t been a war where international trade by vessel has been actively targeted really since WWII. a real conflict between the US and China would entail that. flagging doesn’t work the way it used to. I would anticipate FOCs being targeted too. KomradeX posted:All it'll take is one swift kick to bring the whole crumbling house down everybody’s house. remember we are up to the shoulder in each other’s rear end’s trade wise, everybody’s manufacturing is global. a real US / China war in the future cuts everybody off at the shoulder all at once.
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now somebody is going to no it’s 100,000 , that’s all vessels over 1000 GRT. 50-60k is the vessels that matter.
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wasnt there like some maritime insurance poo poo that was a big loving deal during sanctions or whatever bullshit and were totally gonna destroy russia, but then india or russia or whatever just made up their own insurance?
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no it was and still it a very big deal.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:yes correct, this is an everybody assertion. or maybe the country that has been investing heavily in overland infrastructure links to some of the world's largest iron producers would get through this better than the country that has to import everything by sea?
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Cerebral Bore posted:or maybe the country that has been investing heavily in overland infrastructure links to some of the world's largest iron producers would get through this better than the country that has to import everything by sea? I'm sure America will be able to get its domestic steel production going again in no time in case of war. It'll totally happen and than all the South Korean and Japanese ship yards can churn out Liberty ships with American steel
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Cerebral Bore posted:or maybe the country that has been investing heavily in overland infrastructure links to some of the world's largest iron producers would get through this better than the country that has to import everything by sea? it takes a large number of trains to be equivalent to one ship. most steel manufacture is on bodies of water for a reason. you can look at them on Google maps. you are going to see slips and piers. particularly blast furnaces.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:it takes a large number of trains to be equivalent to one ship. most steel manufacture is on bodies of water for a reason. is this where i have to explain to an ostensibly grown-rear end adult that something is generally better than nothing?
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KomradeX posted:I'm sure America will be able to get its domestic steel production going again in no time in case of war. It'll totally happen and than all the South Korean and Japanese ship yards can churn out Liberty ships with American steel no once there’s a war that’s it for everybody.
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Cerebral Bore posted:is this where i have to explain to an ostensibly grown-rear end adult that something is generally better than nothing? China is about 71% of global iron ore traffic. we can round down an average years imports to about one billion tons. that’s like 6.7 million rail cars. a bulk train might be 65 to 100 cars. compare that about 13,000 ish vessel voyages. also have you seen where iron ore comes from? that billion is mostly AUS (about 3/4) and BLZ (about 1/4) nobody else really matters.
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up each other’s rear end’s to the shoulder.
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thats weird because china itself produces ~10% of the world's iron ore and india isn't too far behind . almost like you don't know what the hell you're talking about also you keep missing the point here. even if the world's entire merchant navy went to the bottom of the ocean china would be able to import some iron overland and rebuild their merchant shipping eventually, while the us and its vassals very much would not. so who is in a better position here?
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those are import to China figures.
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no they're not ya bargain basement fishmech
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iron ore comes from the ground just dig a hole lol
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Didn't China specifically develop a lot of decentralized iron ore production
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Decentralized steel production even.
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Cerebral Bore posted:thats weird because china itself produces ~10% of the world's iron ore and india isn't too far behind . almost like you don't know what the hell you're talking about Yeah, but China is something like 50% of steel production so those 10% probably don't go that far.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:those are import to China figures. Anytime news that is remotely bad for America comes up, you try to "well aktually..." With appeals to your shipping background as to why America isn't about to rattle apart at the seams. It's very obnoxious, and obviously fueled by copium.
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Bar Ran Dun’s nautical incompetence has probably sank more American tonnage than the Kriegsmarine and you tankies dare criticize him?
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genericnick posted:Yeah, but China is something like 50% of steel production so those 10% probably don't go that far. goes far enough to get a merchant marine up and running at some point, and after that australia isn't that far away
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in summary the us will lose both ww3 and 4 because they've constructed a system where they have to win decisively and with minimal losses every time or they'll be unable to rebuild in any reasonable timeframe
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WW5 is gonna rule tho
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoUWTCQI-mk&t=165s The first part of the video is on another subject, but Sub Brief (which is very pro-American, but also critical of the MIC) had a little overview of America's attempts at expanding its remaining shipyards. Basically, costs have already ballooned 300% and it is unclear when they will be finished and how much they are going to ultimately cost. The big issue with trying to use Japanese/Korean shipyards, isn't just they are close to potential conflict, but both the Korean and Japanese military need their shipyards geared for military use, while the PRC has a ton of dual use shipyards that could be used in either role. If they was an expansion of that capacity it is going to have to take over years. China has already been ramping up domestic iron production, and they still import most of their iron from Australia, but it is clear the game plan is to phase it out over time. China has the 4th largest iron ore reserves, with Russia being 3rd. They don't lack iron, but for years Australia had a much greater economy of scale, and so now the Chinese are going back to their industry. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:35 on Jul 4, 2023 |
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they just make iron in their backyards, I read a book about it China must grow larger
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endocriminologist posted:WW5 is gonna rule tho comcast xfinity ww10
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