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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
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Total: 404 votes
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Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



DancingShade posted:

Look all the EU needs to produce for the rest of the world's needs is fancy overpriced crockery, wine, fashion items and uh...

Nothing technical comes to mind.

what will the rest of the world do without europe's trailblazing legal innovation in suing the gently caress out of anyone who dares to use the name of some village in bumfuck, france for their cheese?

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sleep with the vicious
Apr 2, 2010
No ukraine... No MOLDOVA... i cant even conceive of a future without them.

Now china, theres an economy i dont want to be connected to

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

hows Kherson looking, crossable yet? did russia refortify the area?

rodbeard
Jul 21, 2005

war is bad

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Bar Crow posted:

Suffering for the sake of suffering

change the thread title

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

rodbeard posted:

war is bad

:wrong:

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bad news for Russia - Ukraine's main force has not been committed yet, and already Ukraine has liberated several settlements from Russian control, including some positions occupied by Russia since 2014.


https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-russia-launches-small-scale-offensives-in-attempt-to-regain-control/

Ukraine war latest: Russia launches small-scale offensives in attempt to regain control
by Asami Terajima
July 3, 2023 12:33 AM
4 min read

Ukraine is attacking Russian forces in the Berdiansk and Melitopol directions in southeastern Zaporizhzhia Oblast, "creating conditions for a speedy advance," Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said on July 2.

Maliar reported fierce fighting across all fronts as Russian forces were pushing back. In the southeastern front, for example, Ukrainian forces are facing "intense enemy resistance, remote mining and redeployment of (Russian) military reserves," according to the official.

The Armed Forces reported that Ukraine made some progress on the southern flank of Bakhmut – one of the axes where Kyiv is launching its ongoing counteroffensive.

The authorities said there was "partial success" on the southern flank near the villages of Klishchiivka and Kurdiumivka. On the northern flank, Maliar said Russia deployed two air assault regiments to prevent a further Ukrainian advance.

Ukraine had more success south of Bakhmut, where more villages like the southwestern Ivanivske are located, rather than in the north – an open field where every movement is easily detected.

The reports of Ukrainian advance in recent days come nearly a month into the long-awaited Ukrainian counteroffensive, raging on the Bakhmut front, the southern part of Donetsk Oblast, and in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

The high-stakes operation, launched in early June, has found limited success so far though the main force has not been committed yet, with several settlements liberated from Russian control, including some positions occupied by Russia since 2014.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

sleep with the vicious posted:

No ukraine... No MOLDOVA... i cant even conceive of a future without them.

Now china, theres an economy i dont want to be connected to

If they want people to genuinely give a poo poo about either of those places they need to build some iphone factories in them.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

fizzy posted:

Bad news for Russia - Ukraine's main force has not been committed yet, and already Ukraine has liberated several settlements from Russian control, including some positions occupied by Russia since 2014.


https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-russia-launches-small-scale-offensives-in-attempt-to-regain-control/

Ukraine war latest: Russia launches small-scale offensives in attempt to regain control
by Asami Terajima
July 3, 2023 12:33 AM
4 min read

Ukraine is attacking Russian forces in the Berdiansk and Melitopol directions in southeastern Zaporizhzhia Oblast, "creating conditions for a speedy advance," Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said on July 2.

Maliar reported fierce fighting across all fronts as Russian forces were pushing back. In the southeastern front, for example, Ukrainian forces are facing "intense enemy resistance, remote mining and redeployment of (Russian) military reserves," according to the official.

The Armed Forces reported that Ukraine made some progress on the southern flank of Bakhmut – one of the axes where Kyiv is launching its ongoing counteroffensive.

The authorities said there was "partial success" on the southern flank near the villages of Klishchiivka and Kurdiumivka. On the northern flank, Maliar said Russia deployed two air assault regiments to prevent a further Ukrainian advance.

Ukraine had more success south of Bakhmut, where more villages like the southwestern Ivanivske are located, rather than in the north – an open field where every movement is easily detected.

The reports of Ukrainian advance in recent days come nearly a month into the long-awaited Ukrainian counteroffensive, raging on the Bakhmut front, the southern part of Donetsk Oblast, and in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

The high-stakes operation, launched in early June, has found limited success so far though the main force has not been committed yet, with several settlements liberated from Russian control, including some positions occupied by Russia since 2014.

This is good news for Ukraine

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Ytlaya posted:

Regardless of whether you think they did it, we know for a fact that they've seriously considered doing it. Which is enough to effectively disprove your idea that they wouldn't be willing to do stuff like this.

didn't Ukraine also shoot HIMARS at it

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
They should really hand over all those bad news for Russia agitprop to the same ai script generating bot cranking out all the but at what cost stuff for China.

Save a buck or two.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bad news for Shenzhen - There are questions about whether their surveillance technologies will improve the quality of inhabitants' lives or just be used to keep a closer eye on them.


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50658538

China is getting smarter - but at what cost?

Thirty years ago, Shenzhen was a fishing village, surrounded by paddy fields.

Then came a plan to build China's first special economic zone to allow foreign investments, and out of the quiet rural landscape grew private businesses and factories which over time transformed into a city.

Now Shenzhen, with a population of 12 million, is just one part of a huge urbanised area running down the Pearl River Delta.

China's smart cities ambitions are among the grandest in the world. But there are questions about whether their surveillance technologies will improve the quality of inhabitants' lives or just be used to keep a closer eye on them.

...

But at a separate event in the city itself, the public are being challenged to consider the speed at which surveillance tech is being rolled out.

Shenzhen's Futian station is hosting Eyes of the City - an exhibition which poses the question: "What happens to people and the urban landscape when the sensor-imbued city is able to gaze back?"

Among the works on show are a facial recognition system that visitors can opt out of by wearing a special mask, and displays that look back at ticket holders, analysing their emotional responses.

"One of the main objectives of the Eyes of the City exhibition is to encourage visitors to take a stance, shunning the dangerous option of neutrality," said the curator Carlo Ratti.


China is creating new cities at an astonishing rate, redefining the urban landscape with plans to create 19 gigantic urban clusters and the world's first super-city with more than 40 million inhabitants.

Urban development on this scale will demand efficiency. Traffic will have to be controlled to avoid weeklong jams, and transport will have to be green to avoid killing everyone with CO2 emissions.

But there will also be a need for citizens themselves to be more efficient. Littering, playing music too loud on a train, running across the road when the lights are red - these will stop being minor indiscretions and become major inconveniences in cities so large.

In 2014, the idea of a social credit system was unveiled. The somewhat Orwellian plan is to reward citizens for good behaviour and punish them for bad. In March this year, millions of discredited travellers were banned from buying train or plane tickets for a range of offences, such as using expired tickets or smoking on a train.

"In China, the whole social scoring experiment is fascinating but I'm glad that I don't have to live through it," said smart cities consultant Charles Reed Anderson.

CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole
Ukraine’s Main Force is going to turn out to be a band or something.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

fizzy posted:

Good news for Ukraine - Kyiv's domestic intelligence agency have identified, captured and charged a traitor within their highest ranks before the traitor could do any further harm to Ukraine.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f08d551cf54cacd

Ukrainian authorities have charged a former top security official with treason, says Kyiv’s domestic intelligence agency
15h ago
13.27 BST

Ukrainian authorities have charged a former top security official with treason, Kyiv’s domestic intelligence agency said on Monday, Reuters reports.

Oleh Kulinich, who headed the security service of Ukraine’s (SBU) Crimea directorate, was arrested last July over accusations of recruiting other Russian-friendly operatives on orders from Moscow.

Investigators said Kulinich was working for Russia’s Federal Security Service and was overseen by other former Ukrainian officials who had defected to Moscow.

“This is a clear signal to all those who work for the enemy: the SBU will definitely find you and make you answer for what you have done,” SBU chief Vasyl Malyuk, who oversaw the operation to detain Kulinich, said in a statement.


If convicted, Kulinich faces up to 15 years in prison.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy last year hailed Kulinich’s arrest as part of a process of “self-purification”.

Ukrainian authorities are also investigating Andriy Naumov, a former head of the SBU’s department of internal security, who turned up in Serbia last year in a car stuffed with cash and emeralds, police said.

lol SBU were the ones that killed the negotiator (from GUR?) for being on the russian side:

crepeface posted:

also lol i just saw this

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-sbu-responsible-killing-banker-russian-intelligence/32235780.html

quote:

KYIV -- Ukrainian security agents were responsible for killing a Ukrainian banker who reportedly served as a crucial information conduit and negotiator with Russia in the run-up to last year's invasion, a top intelligence official said.

The comments, made by General Kyrylo Budanov in an interview with RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service, add further to the mystery surrounding the killing of Denys Kiryeyev, who was reportedly honored for his work four months after his death.

Budanov, who heads Ukraine's military intelligence agency, said "he believes the facts" and that Kiryeyev, who was a full-time employee of the agency, was killed by the Security Service of Ukraine, widely known as the SBU. Budanov did not say how long Kiryeyev had worked for the agency.

The agents killed Kiryeyev in an SBU car as they "conducted an operation" against him, he said.

"It's a fact that he was killed in that car by these operatives," Budanov, whose agency is known as the GUR, said in a January 21 phone interview.

Asked specifically if SBU agents killed "a Ukrainian hero," he told RFE/RL: "This is absolutely true."

Budanov's comments came three days after a Wall Street Journal (WSJ) story that examined the work of Kiryeyev, who had been employed for several Western banks and had developed ties with powerful businessmen in the eastern Ukrainian region of Donetsk who had strong connections to Russia.

even RFERL says ukraine killed their own negotiator. of course they don't delve into why he was killed beyond a vague "WSJ says he was being investigated by the SBU for passing along info!" but it still more than what i expected

so shameful they're now finding kremlin agents from within their own ranks. very troubling.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Ytlaya posted:

Regardless of whether you think they did it, we know for a fact that they've seriously considered doing it. Which is enough to effectively disprove your idea that they wouldn't be willing to do stuff like this.

When did they seriously consider doing it?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Majorian posted:

When did they seriously consider doing it?

there was some high ranking ukrainian guy who said that blowing up the dam was a last resort and they had fired HIMARs at it as a test

edit:

quote:

Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.

The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/

crepeface has issued a correction as of 06:12 on Jul 4, 2023

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022

Majorian posted:

When did they seriously consider doing it?

When they shot artillery at it?

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

crepeface posted:

there was some high ranking ukrainian guy who said that blowing up the dam was a last resort and they had fired HIMARs at it as a test

Someone made a similar claim the other day and when I found the article they were referencing it turned out not to be the case. So I'm gonna call bullshit on this claim too.

BearsBearsBears posted:

When they shot artillery at it?

It would take more than a couple stray shots to create the sort of uncontained meltdown that the more conspiracy-brained goofballs ITT are talking about.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Good news for Ukraine - Multiple Western officials agree and acknowledge that the progress of Ukraine's offensive is justified.


https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/04/europe/ukraine-counteroffensive-slow-progress-intl/index.html

Ukraine’s counteroffensive hasn’t met expectations. Here’s why progress has been slow
By Ivana Kottasová, CNN
Published 12:00 AM EDT, Tue July 4, 2023

... Ukraine’s Western allies are getting nervous about the fact that the progress of Kyiv’s long-awaited counteroffensive is being measured in meters, rather than kilometers. Kyiv’s allies are well aware that Ukraine cannot defeat Russia without their help. But the slower than expected pace of the counteroffensive means their support could become increasingly unsustainable if the conflict drags on.

Many of the countries that are supporting Ukraine’s war efforts are struggling with high inflation, rising interest rates and sluggish growth. Their leaders – some of whom are facing elections in the next year and a half – need to justify the huge amount of resources they’ve poured into Ukraine when their own voters are struggling to make ends meet. That can become difficult if there isn’t much battlefield success to show for it.

For now though, the support appears unfaltering. Multiple Ukrainian and Western officials have admitted that the counteroffensive has so far failed to yield major advances – but most were quick to add that the slow progress was justified.

The front lines in southern and eastern Ukraine have not moved much over the past months, giving Russian troops plenty of time to dig in and prepare for a counteroffensive.

According to an assessment by the Washington-based think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW), some of the most strategic sections of the front line are guarded by multiple lines of defense, making it very difficult for the Ukrainians to break through.

Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said that the pace is not surprising, given that Ukrainian soldiers were fighting “for their life.”

“We are giving them as much help as humanly possible, but at the end of the day, Ukrainian soldiers are assaulting through minefields and into trenches,” he said.

“So yes, sure, it goes a little slow, but that is part of the nature of war,” Milley said at the National Press Club on Friday.

Milley stressed that, while slowly, the Ukrainians were pushing ahead. “(The offensive) is advancing steadily, deliberately, working its way through very difficult minefields … you know, 500 meters a day, 1,000 meters a day, 2,000 meters a day, that kind of thing,” he said.

While Ukraine’s forces work their way through deadly minefields on the ground, they are still lacking air superiority and are under frequent attacks from above.

Legion, a master-sergeant in Ukraine’s 47th Brigade which is involved in the fighting in the south, said it was clear that Russian forces have been preparing for this moment for months.

“They knew that this area is where the main attack will take place, so they prepared thoroughly. They have artillery and aviation here, and both fighters and helicopters are working regularly,” he said.

Legion told CNN the fighting in the area was comparable to “what it was like in Bakhmut during the hottest phase.”

...

Milley urged observers to remain patient, saying he expects the counteroffensive to last as long as 10 weeks.

“What I had said was this is going to take six, eight, 10 weeks. It’s going to be very difficult. It’s going to be very long, and it’s going to be very, very bloody. And no one should have any illusions about any of that,” he said.

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022

Majorian posted:

Someone made a similar claim the other day and when I found the article they were referencing it turned out not to be the case. So I'm gonna call bullshit on this claim too.

It would take more than a couple stray shots to create the sort of uncontained meltdown that the more conspiracy-brained goofballs ITT are talking about.

It wasn't stray shots, it was aimed fire by HIMARS at the floodgates of the dam in order to test the viability of destroying the dam.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/

The Washington posted:

The two bridges were targeted with U.S.-supplied M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems — or HIMARS launchers, which have a range of 50 miles — and were quickly rendered impassable.

“There were moments when we turned off their supply lines completely, and they still managed to build crossings,” Kovalchuk said. “They managed to replenish ammunition. … It was very difficult.”

Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.

The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off.

BearsBearsBears has issued a correction as of 06:26 on Jul 4, 2023

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

BearsBearsBears posted:

It wasn't stray shots, it was aimed fire by HIMARS at the floodgates of the dam in order to test the viability of destroying the dam.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/

Oh whoops, lol I thought we were still talking about the nuclear plant, not the dam. My bad, sorry.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Majorian posted:

Someone made a similar claim the other day and when I found the article they were referencing it turned out not to be the case. So I'm gonna call bullshit on this claim too.

It would take more than a couple stray shots to create the sort of uncontained meltdown that the more conspiracy-brained goofballs ITT are talking about.

see my edit

also no one's seriously mentioned a meltdown for like a month, but if any kind of breach or contamination happens it's definitely going to be called "russian causing possible meltdown" in the media

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Majorian posted:

Someone made a similar claim the other day and when I found the article they were referencing it turned out not to be the case. So I'm gonna call bullshit on this claim too.

It would take more than a couple stray shots to create the sort of uncontained meltdown that the more conspiracy-brained goofballs ITT are talking about.

You keep saying stray shots like they arent intentionally shooting at it.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

crepeface posted:

see my edit

also no one's seriously mentioned a meltdown for like a month, but if any kind of breach or contamination happens it's definitely going to be called "russian causing possible meltdown" in the media

A meltdown's a lot easier to cause than a breach, though. It would take a serious barrage to actually rupture ZPP's containment. That said, I do agree with you that no matter what happens, no matter who is responsible, the media will spin it in Ukraine's favor and against Russia. But media spin is hardly the only factor here. Both Ukraine and Russia want to possess and exploit that territory economically. They won't be able to do that if it's all irradiated.

KomradeX posted:

You keep saying stray shots like they arent intentionally shooting at it.

I don't think either side is shooting at the plant intentionally. I think many of the units on both sides are led by idiots.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Majorian posted:

A meltdown's a lot easier to cause than a breach, though. It would take a serious barrage to actually rupture ZPP's containment. That said, I do agree with you that no matter what happens, no matter who is responsible, the media will spin it in Ukraine's favor and against Russia. But media spin is hardly the only factor here. Both Ukraine and Russia want to possess and exploit that territory economically. They won't be able to do that if it's all irradiated.

Ukraine is led by the equivalent of a coked up CEO with a golden parachute that does not intend to land anywhere near Ukrainian soil, irradiated or otherwise

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

crepeface posted:

Ukraine is led by the equivalent of a coked up CEO with a golden parachute that does not intend to land anywhere near Ukrainian soil, irradiated or otherwise

That's great and all but there are a lot of oligarchs running the country who would very much like to use that area to make money, and they're the ones who make the decisions, not poster boy Zelensky.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
so i take it the ukranians failed to accomplish anything in time for the nato summit?

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Why would you say either side? Why the gently caress would the Russians shoot at themselves? Someone is shooting at these things deliberately, if its not Ukraine who is doing it? Militaires Sans Frontières?

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

KomradeX posted:

Why would you say either side? Why the gently caress would the Russians shoot at themselves? Someone is shooting at these things deliberately, if its not Ukraine who is doing it? Militaires Sans Frontières?

We don't know that someone is shooting at the plant deliberately. Stray shots happen in war.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
i thought the summit isnt till next week like july 11 or whatever

https://twitter.com/NAFO_Firefightr/status/1675961845172297730?s=20

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022

Majorian posted:

That's great and all but there are a lot of oligarchs running the country who would very much like to use that area to make money, and they're the ones who make the decisions, not poster boy Zelensky.

We really have no idea what internal Ukraine politics look like right now. The only things I'm pretty sure about is that Kolomoyskyi is no longer relevant and the SBU has a strong veto power over decisions made in the Kyiv. What I most wonder is how much control the various paramilitaries are under. Prior to the invasion it was clear that Zelensky had very little power over them and they would continue the war against the Donbas republics with or without his support.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Majorian posted:

We don't know that someone is shooting at the plant deliberately. Stray shots happen in war.

so what exactly is next to the plant that the ukrainians keep shooting at but missing?

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Majorian posted:

We don't know that someone is shooting at the plant deliberately. Stray shots happen in war.

So they accidentally shot at the IAEA inspectors on the way to the plant as well? This poo poo is up there with acting like we don't know who blew up Nordstream

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Cerebral Bore posted:

so what exactly is next to the plant that the ukrainians keep shooting at but missing?

I dunno, but if they were aiming at the reactors they're lousy shots:

quote:

Russia's defence ministry said Ukraine fired shells at power lines supplying the plant, while TASS cited Karchaa as saying some storage facilities had been hit by Ukrainian shelling.

He said the shells had been fired near a dry nuclear waste storage facility and a building that houses fresh spent nuclear fuel, but that no radioactive emissions had currently been detected, according to TASS.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

fits my needs posted:

i thought the summit isnt till next week like july 11 or whatever

https://twitter.com/NAFO_Firefightr/status/1675961845172297730?s=20

I thought all octopus imagery was now irredeemably antisemitic?

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

KomradeX posted:

So they accidentally shot at the IAEA inspectors on the way to the plant as well? This poo poo is up there with acting like we don't know who blew up Nordstream

This is the closest thing I could find to the claim that IAEA inspectors were shot at, and it says that the inspectors were delayed by a firefight, which isn't the same thing.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Majorian posted:

This is the closest thing I could find to the claim that IAEA inspectors were shot at, and it says that the inspectors were delayed by a firefight, which isn't the same thing.

The route they were supposed to take was shelled, a route known to both sides and told dont shell here today, so why would the Russians do this?

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Jan 6, 2022

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KomradeX posted:

I thought all octopus imagery was now irredeemably antisemitic?

*angrily tosses doujin collection into a fire*

I just dont want people to get the wrong idea

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

January 6 Survivor posted:

*angrily tosses doujin collection into a fire*

I just dont want people to get the wrong idea

lol

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yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

there's also that whole joint resolution by linsdey graham and richard blumenthal introduced that if russia blows up the nuclear plant, the US will invoke article 5

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