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"this weird robot is doing your mom" Feral Integral has issued a correction as of 06:39 on Jul 4, 2023 |
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Tulip posted:one of my favorite academic articles is about the history of baguettes, and in particular how french people had to be trained in the mid 20th century to accept buying bread regularly, since the habit before then was to bake at home (so, not buy) one mega loaf of bread per week that the whole family would just tear apart over the course of the week. If we're going off that 3lbs per day figure (which seems high since that's 3700ish calories), which admittedly is for young men so we should probably norm it down to...lets call it 2lbs per person in a family of 8, that's a nice sexy 112lb loaf. that seems super hard to imagine cause heating an oven up only to cook one bread, 112lb or not, in it is crazy inefficient compared to having a centralized baking system where an oven is kept at high temperatures for a long time to cook many breads
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Jul 4, 2023 06:39
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Those poor pill bugs
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Jul 4, 2023 06:49
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Being forced to work. Roly proleys
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Jul 4, 2023 07:33
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it's a living
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Jul 4, 2023 07:42
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someone toss the bottom half of das kapital's cover on that for me thanks
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Jul 4, 2023 07:50
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Nothus posted:the decry We have no official policy. There's a big divide in higher ed and K-12 between people who consider it cheating across the board and people who see it as a resource like a search engine. The latter recognize that it's here and not going away treat it like a search engine or Wikipedia, which both can point you in the right direction but aren't guaranteed to. I have a mildly wholesome story about GPT in college and a whole lot of cyberpunk dystopia it reminded me of. Feel free to skip everything after the short reveal if you have any faith in humanity left and don't want to lose it, and also CW for violent threats and deaths in the big spoiler block after the /// Recently, a student worker who just graduated admitted that he used ChatGPT to answer a final exam question to encrypt a random string with the key " PALMERSTON." Rather than reporting him for academic dishonesty, I printed a few pages of 5x5 grids and spent 45 minutes of downtime teaching him how the Playfair cipher works and showed him by hand how to use it with the key and random string he was given to encrypt, and he did it by hand, where he got the same result. This sounds like made-up bullshit, but a couple of days after he graduated, I got to work and there was an envelope with "For [my first name]" and "from: [student's name]" written on it taped to the bottom of my desk. There was a 5x5 Playfair grid inside. It only felt right to solve it by hand since that's how I taught him to do it, so it took me an hour. The key was my first and last name written backward, and the decoded message was "THANKYOUIUNDERSTANDITNOW" Now for the dystopian part. I already know that I'm a massive nerd. in retrospect, I shouldn't have let myself get sucked into a game that encourages obsessive behavior and impulsive actions, but the past is the past and I know better now. On the other hand, I'm going to be completely honest because I'm pretty this is the direction AR/VR games are going, and as the technology gets better and less conspicuous (e.g. when Google Glass is just normal glasses and not a Segway for your face), they're going to watch where people go and see what they can do to subtly and transparently influence people to go wherever the maker/provider wants them to go. I can speak to this personally. I'm a huge nerd who learned how to quickly solve a Playfair cipher while playing Ingress, made by Niantic Labs. I was an active player for years. Niantic started as a geospatial satellite mapping company that was on the verge of bankruptcy until they signed some contracts with (CIA venture capital firm) In-Q-Tel for geospatial mapping for use in war zones. In-Q-Tel was later acquired by Google and became Google Maps, and their CEO John Hanke proposed Niantic Labs as a subsidiary when Google, then became a subsidiary of Alphabet. I can't provide direct proof of it, but Ingress was a beta release of the assuredly completely harmless-sounding NEMESIS game engine. On top of the CEO being a publicly known DOD, NSA, and CIA asset, an employee outright admitted in conversation that they wanted to make a completely new kind of game to get people out and moving around, but also used to see how locations in a geolocation-based game could monitor and influence people's movements based on the game and determine whether the reported location of a device was consistent with where the person actually was. As an aside, AI and Machine Learning have been meaningless tech buzzwords for years, but in real business applications, they tend to be more efficient ways to do certain types of math. D-Wave is overhyped because anything Quantum will always be overhyped by people like Michio Kaku who will make asses of themselves with nonsensical claims to get a quote in print or a sound bite or video clip. They actually do have a single-purpose quantum computer that significantly outperforms classical computers for discrete optimization. Taking a set of previous locations/paths and predicting future paths based on those is a discrete optimization problem, which makes it useful for anyone who wants to process a full data set whether you're Google and want to pop up an ad for a sale at a place along that path, or the other major known investor Lockheed and want the DOD to look at the last few places you bombed, known anti-aircraft locations, and where to bomb next, how high or low you need to fly to avoid being shot down, how to get to where you bomb, and average out weather channel and AccuWeather forecasts so you can avoid getting your expensive plane rained on and becoming visible to radar or going all "Poor Freckles, saw water and died" Ingress also had a component involving puzzle solving and reversing intentionally flawed encoding and cryptography, which I was consistently involved in for a few years. That's why I immediately recognized the Playfair cipher and taught it to the student. One of the funniest moments was figuring out the key to a one-time-pad and saying "Ugh, it's just gibberish" then realizing a few minutes later after using the Detect Language feature in Google Translate feature that it wasn't and said "wait, it's not gibberish, it's Dutch! it says [RANDOM NUMBERS FOR PADDING,HERVORMED KERK DANSK,GPS COORDINATES], Daniel, alert everyone local and get them out there ASAP!" /// People also got obsessed and did truly irrational things and had to be rescued for hiking out into blizzards and getting frostbite, sneaking into closed former Soviet Oblasts that were closed due to being chemical weapon production facilities, and someone managed to survive sneaking across the border from Sinai to Gaza during a shooting war. Locally, someone on the other team saw someone on my team (a black man) walking down the street just playing the game while in his office and said "Hey, I see you down there in a hoodie attacking my portals, you trying to be the next Trayvon Martin?" I was also once asked to get a quote, with a promise that all costs would be reimbursed, to charter a helicopter to hover in place over an island in the middle of winter for 8 hours. I got the quote ($1500 plus fuel and pilot's hourly rate, which the people running the "war chest" could easily afford, but declined in favor of actually hanging out with friends I met through the game at the Boston event, which was notably located in Cambridge and not Boston). A late friend who was a pilot would fly down the coast once or twice a month with whoever wanted to hop in the passenger's seat and fly above the restricted zone above Wallops so someone could take pictures when he was flying down the coast from CT (FAA says hands on the controls, not your phone or camera) and also for the enjoyment of the angry whining from the guys on the Wallops Island who typically maintained control of portals there since they were the ones with TS/SCI clearance for the DoD antennas. I should have known better, but a game that inspired all of that while promoting walking around and getting people to meet people and make new friends or friendly rivals sounded fun. It was fun. I met a lot of new friends and did make friendly rivals like friends from college. Turned out that it led to multiple accidental deaths from people accidentally walking across streets while looking at their phones when distracted drivers ran red lights and stop signs; and was designed to be addictive by forcing players to make social connections, build communities, and encourage interaction with other players all for the sake of advertising, gathering precise tracking data, and subtly influencing behavior. Hell, the game was in invitation-only beta when I started playing and I should have realized what the goal was when Google (pre-Alphabet) released a patent 6 weeks in on a novel method of detecting falsified GPS locations 6 weeks after the first beta release. Of course, all of this was considered when an "independent" Niantic decided it was time to release Pokemon Go and target a younger crowd, and they just didn't care.
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Jul 4, 2023 20:07
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amazing that there's a worse game than eve online
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Jul 4, 2023 20:19
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The machines can't get rid of us, our end effectors are too useful *is stapled to a giant robot arm in the skynet defense complex* ok I think I see what happened, let's break it down (1/243)
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Jul 4, 2023 20:27
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glad to see theye moved from necromancy to bug slavery
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Jul 4, 2023 20:46
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GWBBQ posted:while playing Ingress, made by Niantic Labs. I was an active player for years. I swear, Ingress was training us all to be international drug mules. I was only ever on the fringes of my faction's organization, but I knew people who would do things like drive to the airport in order to meet with a stranger and exchange a bunch of portal keys from far-off lands which were due to be used in the creation of intercontinental links and fields. And yeah, the game absolutely influences your behavior. I know a guy who took vacation time from work and road-tripped to North loving Dakota just to put a resonator on a portal in the middle of nowhere that he'd claimed the previous year, and so get his much-coveted 180-day Guardian medal. (Note for Ingress players: there was (is?) a weird edge case in the rules where if you had claimed the portal and it still belonged to your faction but all your own resonators on it had been destroyed, it didn't count toward your Guardian, unless you went back and hung a new resonator on it.) The addictive behavior control wasn't perfect, though. When I finally got to (I think) level 13, I looked over the numbers and realized that there was absolutely no new goal within reach. To level up again or get the next higher class of any medal would take me almost two years at the rate I was currently playing. If I wanted to get any more of those sweet little dopamine hits, I'd have to get way more serious about the game. Instead, I took the opportunity to declare victory, uninstalled, and never looked back. Of course, I learned nothing from this experience. A couple years later my nephews got me into Pokemon Go, which I've been playing enthusiastically ever since. 
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Jul 4, 2023 22:35
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It's funny, I was banned from Pokemon Go years ago after I posted some photos on facebook of with the whole AR thing of the pokeyman Drowzee where it looked like it was chasing my toddler son on the playground, and I wrote like "dont touch my son Drowzee". Well someone took offense to me implying Drowzee is a pedophile and I guess reported me to facebook, who referred them to niantic, and a few days after I posted I got a stern email saying that after an investigation I was permanently banned for using pokemon go to stage offensive images. 
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Jul 4, 2023 22:52
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Powered Descent posted:I swear, Ingress was training us all to be international drug mules. I was only ever on the fringes of my faction's organization, but I knew people who would do things like drive to the airport in order to meet with a stranger and exchange a bunch of portal keys from far-off lands which were due to be used in the creation of intercontinental links and fields. pokemon go. . .to the polls!
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Jul 4, 2023 23:15
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Biplane posted:It's funny, I was banned from Pokemon Go years ago after I posted some photos on facebook of with the whole AR thing of the pokeyman Drowzee where it looked like it was chasing my toddler son on the playground, and I wrote like "dont touch my son Drowzee". Well someone took offense to me implying Drowzee is a pedophile and I guess reported me to facebook, who referred them to niantic, and a few days after I posted I got a stern email saying that after an investigation I was permanently banned for using pokemon go to stage offensive images. You never said that it was sexual touching. 
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Jul 4, 2023 23:17
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Platystemon posted:You never said that it was sexual touching. To be honest I would not want any kind of touching or even interaction with this guy 
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Jul 4, 2023 23:23
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Biplane posted:To be honest I would not want any kind of touching or even interaction with this guy That dude hugs too much.
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Jul 5, 2023 00:06
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A man who has Opinions on gamergate
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Jul 5, 2023 00:25
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big deal we already serve that function in 3d space for the Outsiders
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Jul 5, 2023 00:27
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celadon posted:that seems super hard to imagine cause heating an oven up only to cook one bread, 112lb or not, in it is crazy inefficient compared to having a centralized baking system where an oven is kept at high temperatures for a long time to cook many breads My impression was that in many villages there might be a communal oven or a bakery. Like there could be a bakery, but rather than buying bread from a guy, you bring your loaves from home and he bakes them. For efficiency it might not be fired up every day though. Populations weren't always stable. So a bakery that can do a good business running every day might have to adjust to 2 or 3 days a week if plague or smallpox rips through town and kills 70% of the population.
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Jul 5, 2023 00:31
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The Pokedex does say that Drowzee prefers to prey on the dreams of children. I thought it was the Pokemon with the weird pied piper thing in its Pokedex entries. Nope. That's it's evolution, Hypno.
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Jul 5, 2023 06:57
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celadon posted:that seems super hard to imagine cause heating an oven up only to cook one bread, 112lb or not, in it is crazy inefficient compared to having a centralized baking system where an oven is kept at high temperatures for a long time to cook many breads I think you may not know what a farm is.
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Jul 5, 2023 08:14
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do u have to use a facebook account to log in to pokemon go or something? lol
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Jul 5, 2023 08:22
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My grandparents were basically subsistence farmers with a small pension used to buy stuff you couldn’t produce yourself such as sugar or clothes. They absolutely would fire up the open fire pit and bake several huge loaves for the week - I am talking round loaves that were probably half a meter in diameter. They would sometimes use the same fire to roast some meat and potatoes under the traditional clay lid. A lot of stuff they did were centuries long traditions in their village and baking bread once a week makes a lot of sense.
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Jul 5, 2023 08:22
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cant wait to use my facebook account to log into meta twitter.
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Jul 5, 2023 08:23
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:My grandparents were basically subsistence farmers with a small pension used to buy stuff you couldn’t produce yourself such as sugar or clothes. They absolutely would fire up the open fire pit and bake several huge loaves for the week - I am talking round loaves that were probably half a meter in diameter. They would sometimes use the same fire to roast some meat and potatoes under the traditional clay lid. A lot of stuff they did were centuries long traditions in their village and baking bread once a week makes a lot of sense. I bet that bread was tits too
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Jul 5, 2023 08:44
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maybe if you live in not some village but a real place like Constantinople, you're buying bread every day
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Jul 5, 2023 08:54
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mawarannahr posted:maybe if you live in not some village but a real place like Constantinople, you're buying bread every day Whether you want to or not. The Bakers Guild has people, see.
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Jul 5, 2023 09:43
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Even in small communities the economies of scale were understood well. The kind of isolation and relative self-sufficiency at least for everyday needs is a very new thing only available thanks to technology and infrastructure.
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Jul 5, 2023 10:55
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Even in small communities the economies of scale were understood well. The kind of isolation and relative self-sufficiency at least for everyday needs is a very new thing only available thanks to technology and infrastructure. i too enjoy watching The Townsends work on the cabin and oven
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Jul 5, 2023 11:01
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Milo and POTUS posted:Roly proleys 
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Jul 5, 2023 12:11
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Bar Ran Dun posted:this is a industrial bakery that uses preservatives vs small bakery difference. bread was harder back then before we became Mouth Cowards
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Jul 5, 2023 14:21
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smarxist posted:i too enjoy watching The Townsends work on the cabin and oven then check this poo poo out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-uqQknglio&t=1955s community bread baking in a monastically owned and operated oven, prefiguring corporate property relations, begins 32m35s if the time code embed doesn’t work
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Jul 5, 2023 16:40
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mawarannahr posted:maybe if you live in not some village but a real place like Constantinople, you're buying bread every day I'm really not sure how people are calculating efficiencies here or what but like, I live in NYC and even for me its one of the easiest places for me to save money and time is to buy flour at the store and make bread in my own apartment, and that's competing with some VERY advanced industrial machinery. Strangelet Wave posted:bread was harder back then before we became Mouth Cowards Kids these days are afraid of a little rock in their food, the chumps.
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Jul 5, 2023 21:00
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Strangelet Wave posted:then check this poo poo out heck yeah, i love this poo poo
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Jul 5, 2023 21:12
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Tulip posted:I'm really not sure how people are calculating efficiencies here or what but like, I live in NYC and even for me its one of the easiest places for me to save money and time is to buy flour at the store and make bread in my own apartment, and that's competing with some VERY advanced industrial machinery. but ovens are everywhere now
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Jul 6, 2023 00:20
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Milo and POTUS posted:I bet that bread was tits too I bake a loaf/round of sourdough bread every Friday and it's loving fantastic. Sometimes I do a whitebread chock full of seeds and oats, the family never lets it last more than a few days.
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Jul 6, 2023 08:09
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maxwellhill posted:but ovens are everywhere now I mean sort of? The spread of ovens now is not that different than premodern: ovens are common in wheat growing regions and uncommon in regions where people don't bake as much bread. Roman households have recognizable to the average American style kitchens, while many Asian households today don't have ovens because the cooking traditions don't emphasize baking and roasting so much. Like most of the houses in Pompeii had ovens.
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Jul 6, 2023 08:22
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you need bread to go with the circuses
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Jul 6, 2023 08:54
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Tulip posted:I mean sort of? The spread of ovens now is not that different than premodern: ovens are common in wheat growing regions and uncommon in regions where people don't bake as much bread. Roman households have recognizable to the average American style kitchens, while many Asian households today don't have ovens because the cooking traditions don't emphasize baking and roasting so much. Like most of the houses in Pompeii had ovens. do you have a preferred recipe? do you use a machine or hand knead?
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Jul 6, 2023 10:04
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Chatbots are cool now: AI chatbot ‘encouraged’ man who planned to kill queen, court told https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/06/ai-chatbot-encouraged-man-who-planned-to-kill-queen-court-told quote:UK news
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