HonorableTB posted:

The response would be an invocation of Article 4 to discuss whether Article 5 should be invoked and if so, what the appropriate response would be. It does not have to automatically mean nuclear war; a proportional response could be something as easy as supplying the affected areas with decontamination and anti-radiological equipment and meds.

EasilyConfused posted:

I doubt that anything the Russians would do at ZNPP would be considered the same as launching a nuke. There's no "doctrine" about what to do about a radiological attack on a third-party that spills over into a NATO country.

mobby_6kl posted:

Ok why not just nuke Putin pre-emptively and avoid this whole discussion???

zone posted:

HonorableTB posted:

You don't have to destroy the reactors to cause a meltdown which does it for you:

Willo567 posted:

This isn't the first time Ukraine and Russia have each accused each other of about to attack the Zaporizhzhia Power Plant, right? I remember it happening last year as well. Not saying it can't happen of course

The external power was cut off completely seven times according to IAEA director Grossi

Tei posted:

Every time scientist talk about how safe are nuclear power plants I think about things like this.

Scientist know their trade, but they don't know human stupidity.

This central probably won't cause a large incident, but the Russians are reckless and stupid, and is 100% sure they will do something. But is going to be just a small scare and not serius radiactivity is going to be leaked. They will do some damage that will require many of the centrals to stop or work at very low power. Is not going to produce a explosion like chernobyl because .... scientist might be wrong about a lot of things, but I take by their word that nuclear power plants are safe by default. We are not going to see something like chernobyl ever again, It was a first generation power plant, not one of the safe ones we have now.

Tei posted:

Every time scientist talk about how safe are nuclear power plants I think about things like this.

Scientist know their trade, but they don't know human stupidity.

This central probably won't cause a large incident, but the Russians are reckless and stupid, and is 100% sure they will do something. But is going to be just a small scare and not serius radiactivity is going to be leaked. They will do some damage that will require many of the centrals to stop or work at very low power. Is not going to produce a explosion like chernobyl because .... scientist might be wrong about a lot of things, but I take by their word that nuclear power plants are safe by default. We are not going to see something like chernobyl ever again, It was a first generation power plant, not one of the safe ones we have now.

HonorableTB posted:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1676289666977243144?s=20

Funny how Ukraine, notably not in possession of the power plant or its nuclear waste storage facilities, just happens to have a Tochka-U (of which they had relatively few in comparison to Russia) as well as some handy nuclear waste to throw in there.

HonorableTB posted:

Lmao that prigozhin gets to do a coup and not only gets away with it, he gets his money back too. Lmao.

The_Franz posted:

this is what dumbshit tankies/contrarians/conspiracy weirdos (including many on these forums) actually believe

Tuna-Fish posted:

... I'm not sure at all that he gets the cash. He hasn't been seen for a while, and it was collected from the officials by his driver, with a power of attorney.

It's entirely possible that the cash just gets split among the people who just murdered him.

HonorableTB posted:

tankiebrain boils down to this ^^^^

HonorableTB posted:

I imagine he's smart enough to know what's going to happen to him as soon as someone visually locates him

shadow puppet of a posted:

They give him even more cash and gold bars?

Tei posted:

Every time scientist talk about how safe are nuclear power plants I think about things like this.

Scientist know their trade, but they don't know human stupidity.

This central probably won't cause a large incident, but the Russians are reckless and stupid, and is 100% sure they will do something. But is going to be just a small scare and not serius radiactivity is going to be leaked. They will do some damage that will require many of the centrals to stop or work at very low power. Is not going to produce a explosion like chernobyl because .... scientist might be wrong about a lot of things, but I take by their word that nuclear power plants are safe by default. We are not going to see something like chernobyl ever again, It was a first generation power plant, not one of the safe ones we have now.

Tai posted:

Lol that has to be a joke

HonorableTB posted:

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1676118906736353280?s=20

That's fuckin bleak

quote:

A top British defense official said Tuesday that Russia's combat abilities have been slashed in half since last year's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

In comments before a parliamentary hearing, Admiral Sir Tony Radakin — the formal head of the United Kingdom's armed forces and chief military adviser to Prime Minister Rishi Sunak — claimed that Russia is now "so weak" it could no longer wage a military counter-offensive of its own.

"Russia has lost nearly half the combat effectiveness of its army," Radakin said, according to the Financial Times. "Last year it fired 10 million artillery shells but at best can produce 1 million shells a year. It has lost 2,500 tanks and at best can produce 200 [new] tanks a year."

Meanwhile, he defended Ukraine's counter-offensive, which has been criticized for not making enough progress.

Radakin said Kyiv's strategy to "starve, stretch and strike" is gradually eroding Russia's defenses, though he acknowledged that Russian mines as well as Ukraine's insufficient air defenses and lack of certain equipment it requested have weighed on operations.

"The question is, how do you take a front line that is more than a thousand kilometers long and turn it into more of a problem for Russia than for Ukraine?" he said. "That is why you are seeing multiple axes being probed and feints by Ukraine."

Radakin's claims about Russia's combat losses in Ukraine are roughly in line with previous reporting.

In February, Oryx, an open-source intelligence group, said that at least 1,000 Russian tanks had been destroyed in Ukraine — and another 500 captured. A classified US military assessment, leaked earlier this year, suggested that as many as 43,000 Russian soldiers had been killed and another 180,000 wounded since February 2022.

When Russia invaded last year, it was assessed to have over 400,000 contract soldiers, PBS reported.

Experts have said the losses have taken a huge toll, in particular, on Russia's elite infantry and armored fighting brigades.

"They've been decimated," Jeffrey Edmonds, a Russia expert at the Center for Naval Analyses and former CIA military analyst, told Insider's Jake Epstein earlier this year, describing it as a "blow to Russian's ground force's combat power."

Pine Cone Jones posted:

Clearly there are water wizards that will attack if we harness the rivers.

Willo567 posted:

This isn't the first time Ukraine and Russia have each accused each other of about to attack the Zaporizhzhia Power Plant, right? I remember it happening last year as well. Not saying it can't happen of course

The external power was cut off completely seven times according to IAEA director Grossi

CLAM DOWN posted:

Killer robot posted:

I doubt it since I've more than once seen earnest arguments that "authoritarian" was a meaningless term made up by Western liberals as a slur against leftist governments. From there it's just one hop to the "liberals are fascists or at least fascist allies"" stop I'd seen the same parties claim before.