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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:But Voyager is the closest to the spirit of the Original Series. It's mostly Starfleets driving around having encounters with new people and/or phenomena as much as I have issues with it, mostly that kurtzman sucks rear end, Strange New Worlds is probably the closest to TOS that ive seen in awhile and may be the best modern trek of the past 30 years
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:Really the most socialist films are over the top comedies, that know their histories. Like how weapons end up the worse hands, and usually gets brandished over petty issues. i think comedy lends itself to this kind of political commentary better than other genres because the buffoonish nature of the characters implies that good solutions exist to their problems theyre just not able to utilize these alternatives either because they are buffoons or they live in a buffoonish society dont look up remains the gold standard for modern mainstream film socialism because in addition to making it clear that the meteor could have been stopped with a half moron solution when they insisted on going full modern instead it made the libs mad and no worthwhile satire in this day and age can avoid making fun of the libs at this point
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Knight posted:Demanding films or television enact real world social or economic change is a ridiculous standard, I think it's been discussed before in this thread regarding The Wire. You can discuss the merits of films like Isle of Flowers but criticizing it on the grounds that poverty still exist is pretty wild. The only media I can think of that can claim to have done something like that is Thin Blue Line and, arguably, Taxi Driver. im not criticizing parasite because south korea sucks i actually think its a good movie im criticizing the idea that it was a politically important movie that there probably arent any politically important movies and never will be doesnt contradict that thesis
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ArmZ posted:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/4/vietnam-bans-barbie-movie-over-disputed-south-china-sea-map Hi. I'd like to return (1) adult ticket to Mattel's Barbie, it contains propaganda (commie propaganda, I mean)
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DoombatINC posted:my favorite example from the Human Target interference is that the show won an emmy for its orchestral score and so Fox pre-emptively fired the music director because they thought he might ask for more money due to the emmy; they then replaced his award winning score with canned generic dad rock loops I feel like I just had a realisation, and not just Zaslav saying the quiet part loud- the executive class outright doesn't want entertainment that people actually get invested in and talk about, that wins awards and becomes famous; they want cheap interchangeable slop they don't have to think about, that people don't actually pay attention to and thus don't complain about. Reality TV is about the closest they have to that. They don't actually understand anything about what entertainment is and why people like it, because they are rich fuckers who have cocaine and the secret sequel to Epstein Island. Some Guy TT posted:i think comedy lends itself to this kind of political commentary better than other genres because the buffoonish nature of the characters implies that good solutions exist to their problems theyre just not able to utilize these alternatives either because they are buffoons or they live in a buffoonish society Liberals are mad at anything that implies that someone won't come along to solve all their problems for them without them having to do anything
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I feel like I just had a realisation, and not just Zaslav saying the quiet part loud- the executive class outright doesn't want entertainment that people actually get invested in and talk about, that wins awards and becomes famous; they want cheap interchangeable slop they don't have to think about, that people don't actually pay attention to and thus don't complain about. Reality TV is about the closest they have to that. They don't actually understand anything about what entertainment is and why people like it, because they are rich fuckers who have cocaine and the secret sequel to Epstein Island. Reality tv was a response to tendency for rate of profit to fall. tv-watching started to fall off somewhat after 2000s and became increasingly expensive to produce, particularly long-running shows because cast could demand more money (i.e. Friends / Cheers / Simpsons / etc) season-after-season, whereas reality tv is a Brand that they can keep on going by shoving in new "real people" for basically no cost in reality tv with dirt cheap production values, no writing cost, no acting cost, etc. even more important, they dont really have to engage with SAG-AFTRA/WGA/etc. they didn't have to spend money marketing a new brand because they can just keep the existing Brand as a self-marketing enterprise. to add: David Foster Wallace talked about this in his TV essay, but a lot of american TV watching is mostly lonely voyeurism seeking replacement for human connection. It turns out Reality TV perfectly kicks 2 birds with 1 stone: dirt cheap production, and a substitute for human connection, perfect for voyeurists, who desire human relations but through the boobtube instead of third places. so it's insanely cheap to make and gets massive watching numbers meaning good for ad revenue -- basically big win for network tv.
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speaking of substitutes for human connection, the video essay i've been posting trailers for is done and out now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbRQ6MOQWM
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:TNG has the highest highs and the lowest lows. TNG has better single episodes than any single Voyager episode. DS9 has the best continuous story. Both TNG and DS9 have better individual characters I'm not trying to talk you out of your opinion or anything but I feel like when the principle conceit of the show is literally a journey home but it's not serialized, it undermines the entirety of everything they did. That of course ignores all the production problems, especially in the later years where the writers only wrote for the actors who cared (Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo). I've never tried to do this but I've always thought that if I sat down I could make a list of the ten best Voyager episodes and they'd all either be a great performance by Ryan or Picardo or a good sci-fi concept done well and followed through on. The only one that actually would have to be a Voyager episode because it relied on the show's premise was Equinox. To me that speaks to them using bingo cards to make the characters and not giving a poo poo about the main concept of the show. The only thing I'd give Voyager points for is coming up with some great ideas even if they'd usually undermine them in the end. There were the episodes they did that SG-1 did better (Workforce and Space Race), there was the Year of Hell which was a great idea that the producers wouldn't let them do, there was that species that was loving up the Borg, and a few others I could come up with looking at a list where as a viewer I was thinking "This is a great idea done poorly". Tuvix was the canary in the coal mine for this where it was let down at the end and is more or less what I think of when I think about Voyager. I will say I see your point though. My favorite episode is the one the where they're trapped in the gravity well of the planet with sped up time. It's a very TOS episode.
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Also doesn't everyone cite the lowest low as the Warp 10 turn into salamanders Voyager episode that Brannon Braga wrote?
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i say swears online posted:birth of a nation was the most successful movie of all time its my favourite
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Parasite did not inspire the South Korean people to overthrow 70 years of US colonialism overnight so I give it a 3/10.
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Puppy Burner posted:Parasite did not inspire the South Korean people to overthrow 70 years of US colonialism overnight so I give it a 3/10. yup
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ClassActionFursuit posted:That of course ignores all the production problems, especially in the later years where the writers only wrote for the actors who cared (Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo). lol that they threw away the nice building romance between Seven and the Doctor because Robert Beltran kept making increasing demands to get released from the show and the kept saying yes instead, so he had it in his contract him and Seven would be an item onscreen, which also hosed over the potentially interesting Chakotay/Janeway couple
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Whoolighams posted:lol that they threw away the nice building romance between Seven and the Doctor because Robert Beltran kept making increasing demands to get released from the show and the kept saying yes instead, so he had it in his contract him and Seven would be an item onscreen, which also hosed over the potentially interesting Chakotay/Janeway couple Hahaha I didn't know that. Has there ever been someone who openly loathed being in a show as much as Beltran
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Knight posted:by consuming the right media we can solve our problems "read more theory" lol
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Electric Dreams is up there and that movie is a hoot i need to rewatch this because i don't think i've seen it since i was like 5 years old and i thought the student on the bus telling me about it was calling it "Electric Trees" - resulting in a lot of confusion about that film I've never resolved
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I remember Hideo Kojima talking about how Japan didn't really have kidnapping laws on the books until High & Low came out and drew attention to it. Pretty neat although I've never looked into it.
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josh04 posted:speaking of substitutes for human connection, the video essay i've been posting trailers for is done and out now: i got a connection for you right here pal 🖕
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AnimeIsTrash posted:i got a connection for you right here pal 🖕
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Xaris posted:aside from watching reruns of TOS with my dad, i grew up more on voyager than any other trek because it's what was on UPN in the 90s, but wtf. voyager sucked dick and precisely because it wasn't really in the spirit of TOS. it was largely a character drama slop that centered on the characters having drama than scifi vignette stories that used the chars as props. and to boot, the only good character was the ai doc and 7of9. berman and braga are absolutely horrible showrunners
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ClassActionFursuit posted:
i would say that the episode where harry and chakotay make it home but everyone else dies and they turn into psychotic sad sacks trying to fix it was a good use of the premise also the one where they find a planet of chill aliens who wont break their own prime directive to help them get home i think that even when the premise isnt in focus it can be useful for setting up stakes like if they have to avoid offending aliens while going through their territory or if someone is seriously considering just going gently caress it and staying behind
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AnimeIsTrash posted:i got a connection for you right here pal 🖕 i will not be forgiving cspam for this
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I remember Hideo Kojima talking about how Japan didn't really have kidnapping laws on the books until High & Low came out and drew attention to it. Pretty neat although I've never looked into it. rewatched that last night, coincidentally, and while Japan did have kidnapping laws there were harsher penalties for extorting family members, which the kidnapper takes advantage of. it’s a really spectacular movie that I enjoy more every time I see it, Kurosawa always uses weather and environmental cues to frame his characters effectively but I think the way heat, air conditioning, sweat, and class are all interrelated make High and Low his most effective movie in that regard. Gondo only sweats when he wants to (mowing his tiny little luxury lawn) but every scene with cops, drivers, fishery or industrial workers etc emphasizes their ubiquitous hand fans and overwhelming sweatiness between that and the complexity of Gondo - a ruthless rich guy by any standards but also fundamentally decent and unwilling to sacrifice manufacturing standards or the family of his subordinates, so while he’s not bad, the movie never denies that his ostentatious wealth in his modern house on the hill grinds the gears of the working class and naturally engenders feelings of hatred
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Watched the fall yesterday, it's a fairly meh movie but I love the visuals in it so much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEi-v6aJD7Q
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i just realized that even in the context of 2019 south korean blockbusters parasite wasnt the most meaningfully socially influential film exit was for those who dont know exit is a disaster movie about a gas attack and theres a recurring plot point about how the common policy to lock doors leading to ceilings would really gently caress people over in a disaster situation who need ceiling access to like escape and this led to a lot of people asking why the gently caress does this policy even exist leading to lots of changes in safety regulations on the topic exits a pretty cool flick id say its the last south korean movie to blend crowd pleasing action with weird plots and socialist undertones which used to be what they were famous for whereas now the box office is dominated by (checks notes) anime and copaganda uuugggghhhh
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ClassActionFursuit posted:…Tuvix… Did nothing wrong. Also, murdered.
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Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:Did nothing wrong. Also, murdered. sorry the back of his head was gross as hell
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RandolphCarter posted:sorry the back of his head was gross as hell
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Frog Act posted:rewatched that last night, coincidentally, and while Japan did have kidnapping laws there were harsher penalties for extorting family members, which the kidnapper takes advantage of. it’s a really spectacular movie that I enjoy more every time I see it, Kurosawa always uses weather and environmental cues to frame his characters effectively but I think the way heat, air conditioning, sweat, and class are all interrelated make High and Low his most effective movie in that regard. Gondo only sweats when he wants to (mowing his tiny little luxury lawn) but every scene with cops, drivers, fishery or industrial workers etc emphasizes their ubiquitous hand fans and overwhelming sweatiness I just watched this last week and I was convinced Gondo was actually behind the kidnapping in some way that would let him take over the company. That's why it wasn't his son. That's why he flip flops back and forth. That's why it happened right after the meeting with his rivals. Classic noir twist. He gets his interest payments cancelled and a ton of public support... there must be something else. bigger. that he gets as well, we're going to find out. And then at the end the kidnapper lights his cigarette i was like here we go. pay off. The portrayal of the drug addicts as living dead was tasteless but very cool and effective
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if media didn't change your behavior they wouldn't spend so much money on advertising and if you need an overt example look at super size me Also, before Finding Nemo came out, Disney spent 2 years getting kids ready to accept a fish story. They put "did you know?" fish facts during the ad breaks on disney channel, like "what is the largest fish?" "did you know starfish can regrow their arms?". they made disney channel characters get pet fish and say "this fish is awesome! I love this fish!". They subliminally signaled that fish were always a cool thing that kids like and then the movie was met with no resistence. The american admiration of the british royal family is a consequence of us being fed fairytales of royals for almost a century by the disney corp
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